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    #194 with Justin Mares - The 4 Types of Side Hustles and how to launch a $100M DTC brand

    enJune 25, 2021

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    • Identifying and solving everyday problemsJustin and Sam's journey showcases the value of identifying common struggles and creating innovative solutions to improve daily life.

      Justin and Sam, who met in 2013, have a history of identifying and solving everyday problems. From making fun of an elevator mishap to creating a music discovery platform, they have tackled various issues that people face in their daily lives. Their shared experiences include attempting to create roommate discovery services, food delivery solutions, and even a bus tracking app. Over the years, they have collaborated on projects such as co-authoring a book with a DuckDuckGo executive and creating Udemy courses. Despite their early failures, they continued to innovate and build successful ventures. Their story highlights the importance of identifying common struggles and finding creative solutions to make a difference in people's lives.

    • Marketing Trends: The Rise of Direct-to-Consumer BusinessesStay informed about marketing trends, adaptability, and DTC businesses success can lead to revenue growth and customer acquisition in the tech and marketing world.

      Staying informed about marketing trends is crucial for running a successful business in the tech and Internet marketing world. This was highlighted in the HubSpot 2022 State of Marketing report, which analyzed data from over 1,400 marketing professionals to identify the most impactful marketing trends. One such trend was the success of direct-to-consumer (DTC) businesses, as evidenced by the growth of companies like Kettle and Fire and Perfect Keto. Initially dismissed as foolish endeavors, these businesses have thrived, with Kettle and Fire reportedly generating over $100,000,000 in revenue. The speakers in the discussion had also partnered on a side project, aiming for just $20 a month in sales before taking a trip to Japan. They exceeded this goal in just 45 days. By staying attuned to trends and being adaptable, businesses can optimize their marketing efforts, acquire customers efficiently, and ultimately, succeed in the rapidly evolving tech and marketing landscape. To learn more about the top marketing trends, visit hubspot.com/stateofmarketing.

    • A fan's search for his favorite Kettle & Fire Thai-flavored productA fan shares his analogy of searching for a holographic Charizard card in a pack to describe his favorite Kettle & Fire Thai-flavored product hunt experience. He also discusses the founder's side hustle blog post and the importance of having a side hustle for financial support while pursuing entrepreneurship.

      The speaker of this conversation is a fan of Kettle & Fire's Thai-flavored products and has tried several of them, but can't remember which one is his favorite. He uses the analogy of searching for a holographic Charizard card in a pack to describe his favorite product hunt experience. The conversation also touches upon Kettle & Fire's expansion into the supplement and the food product market for people following a ketogenic diet with the brand name "Perfect Keto." The speaker also mentions that the product's founder, Justin, is his neighbor. The conversation then shifts to the speaker's appreciation for the content the founder has produced, specifically a blog post about side hustles. The post outlines four types of side hustles and the speaker's personal experiences with each. The speaker emphasizes the importance of having a side hustle to financially support oneself while also pursuing entrepreneurship.

    • Exploring Side Hustles for Financial FreedomIdentify opportunities, leverage skills and resources, and put in the work to turn a profit through side hustles like renting out property, selling assets, or improving existing ones.

      Starting a side hustle can be a pathway to financial freedom and an alternative to waiting years for a startup to pay off. The speaker shares his experience of using various methods to generate income through side hustles, including renting out a property on Airbnb, selling motorcycles, and buying and upgrading existing assets like email newsletters and software apps. He emphasizes that side hustles are not meant to be the next big tech company but rather a means to an end, and encourages people to look for opportunities to purchase and improve existing assets to create value and cash flow. Examples of this include buying an email newsletter, a small software app, or even a Shopify app and improving it to increase revenue. The key is to identify opportunities, leverage skills and resources, and be willing to put in the work to turn a profit.

    • Identifying and enhancing undervalued assetsSmart asset acquisitions and optimizations can lead to significant financial gains. Examples include increasing revenue of an internet company and tripling cash flow of an apartment building through simple improvements and passive income from marketplaces like Airbnb and Amazon.

      Smart asset acquisitions and optimizing their value can lead to significant financial gains. The speakers discussed their experiences with acquiring underpriced assets, such as an internet company and an apartment building, and increasing their value through simple improvements. In the case of the internet company, they used the strategy of doubling the price and optimizing key factors like response time and reviews to increase revenue. With the apartment building, they tripled the cash flow by putting it on Airbnb and optimizing listings. These examples illustrate how identifying undervalued assets and enhancing their value can result in substantial returns, often with minimal upfront investment. Additionally, marketplaces like Airbnb and Amazon offer opportunities to provide supply side services, allowing for passive income without the need to actively find customers.

    • Finding profitable niches through unmet consumer demandIdentify popular searches and consumer needs to create a unique product or optimize content for emerging platforms, leading to profitable ventures.

      Identifying emerging platforms or niches with low competition and high demand can lead to significant success. This was exemplified by the speaker's experience with creating a SQL course for marketers on Udemy, which generated consistent revenue despite its modest production quality. Another example given was a business selling waist trainers on YouTube, which grew rapidly by addressing unmet search queries and providing valuable content. The key is to understand what people are looking for and provide a solution, whether it's through creating a unique product or optimizing content for a specific platform. Tools like Ahrefs can help identify popular searches, and even individual platforms offer insights into consumer behavior. Ultimately, the goal is not to build the next billion-dollar business, but to create a profitable venture by filling a gap in the market.

    • Identifying a unique niche and validating market demandFinding an unmet need in a specific market and validating it through keyword research can lead to successful business ideas.

      Identifying a unique niche with unmet demand and using keyword research tools to validate the market can lead to successful business ideas. The example given was a company selling spiky vests for dogs to protect against coyote attacks, which could be a profitable business in a specific market. The founders of Kettle and Fire used a similar approach, noticing a growing interest in bone broth and validating the market with Google searches, leading to the creation of a successful business. The process from idea to launch can take time and effort, but with a solid team in place, it's possible to balance multiple projects and focus on unique contributions.

    • Balancing personal involvement and financial rewards in partnershipsFounders can prioritize equity value over salary to minimize initial financial burden and maintain investor transparency.

      Creating a partnership or co-founding a business involves balancing personal involvement and financial rewards. The speaker shared his experience of incubating a business, Shirley Wines, where he put in significant effort and capital but chose not to take a salary or draw from the business until it had a good outcome. Instead, he focused on creating equity value. This approach provides potential founders with a low-risk opportunity to be a CEO without the initial financial burden. However, it's crucial to be transparent with investors about your priorities and manage their expectations. The speaker also shared his gratitude for raising funds for Kettle and Fire, which allowed him to hire a top-notch team and significantly grow the business. Despite managing multiple projects, it's essential to prioritize and maintain transparency with investors to ensure a harmonious partnership.

    • Power of Incentives and AccountabilityIncentives and accountability can lead to significant behavior change, as shown by a successful experiment where participants were incentivized to stay within a certain glucose range each day using a continuous glucose monitor.

      Using small incentives and accountability can lead to significant behavior change. Jack and Sam participated in an experiment where they used a continuous glucose monitor and were incentivized to stay within a certain glucose range each day. The incentive of $25 a day for staying in range was effective in keeping them honest and motivated. This experiment filled up cohorts of 50 people every month since its launch, with one person even going through it 7 times. The success of this experiment highlights the power of accountability and incentives in helping people achieve their goals, such as eating right and losing weight. This could potentially be a new business model, building upon the success of existing companies like Weight Watchers.

    • Financial Incentives for Accountability and Habit FormationCompanies using financial incentives for accountability and habit formation, like Stick and GymPact, have shown success in promoting behavior change. Expanding this model to premium health boot camps could further drive results.

      There's potential in businesses that use a financial incentive model to promote accountability and habit formation. Companies like Stick and GymPact are examples of this, where individuals bet on themselves to complete a challenge or maintain a habit, with the risk of losing money if they fail. This concept was discussed in the context of Tim Ferriss mentioning Stick in his book, leading to a significant portion of their customer base. The speakers also suggested expanding this model to premium health boot camps, where individuals would pay to receive support and be held accountable for their health goals. While there's room for improvement in the presentation and execution of these businesses, the financial incentive model itself shows promise in promoting accountability and driving behavior change.

    • Privacy-focused search engine DuckDuckGo challenges tech giantsDuckDuckGo, founded on privacy, gained traction through niche communities and product improvements, becoming a viable Google alternative.

      DuckDuckGo, a privacy-focused search engine, has the potential to challenge tech giants like Google by offering users a more private browsing experience. Founded and led by Gabriel Weinberg for over a decade, the company has remained committed to privacy as a core value, even as tech trends have shifted towards more invasive practices. Initially, DuckDuckGo gained traction through positive feedback from niche communities, which allowed the founders to invest in product development. Over time, the product improved, and the trend towards privacy concerns grew, leading to increased adoption. While DuckDuckGo's success didn't come overnight, the company's dedication to privacy and complex product offerings have positioned it as a viable alternative to Google.

    • Exploring emerging business opportunitiesInvesting in camping platforms or non-alcoholic beverages can lead to solid side hustles or cash flow assets, with potential returns of 30-40% and less management compared to Airbnb, or capitalizing on growing demand and interest in non-alcoholic wine.

      Exploring new business opportunities in emerging markets, such as camping platforms or non-alcoholic beverages, can lead to solid side hustles or cash flow assets. For instance, investing in a camping business could provide 30-40% cash on cash returns with less management compared to Airbnb. Alternatively, entering the non-alcoholic beverage industry, specifically non-alcoholic wine, could capitalize on growing demand and interest, as seen with Bud Light's recent investments. While these opportunities may not yield multi-billion-dollar businesses, they present promising avenues for those willing to take the leap.

    • Potential high ROI with minimal time commitment in starting a DTC brandStarting a DTC brand could yield a large return on investment, requiring only 20 hours a week and targeting younger generations who prioritize healthier living.

      Starting a successful business requires significant investment and dedication. In this conversation, it was revealed that starting a DTC brand could potentially yield a large return on investment, with the possibility of turning a $100,000 investment into $10,000,000 worth of equity value in just a few years. However, it also requires relatively minimal time commitment, with only 20 hours a week needed to get the business up and running. The market for such a business is growing, with younger generations showing a trend towards healthier living and less consumption of alcohol. It's important to note that this is a generalization and there are always exceptions. The success of a business also depends on various factors such as hiring the right people, marketing, and execution. The conversation also touched upon the potential for generational shifts in consumer behavior and the importance of staying attuned to such trends. Overall, the conversation highlights the potential rewards of starting a business in the current market, but also emphasizes the need for careful planning, dedication, and a deep understanding of consumer trends.

    • Exploring Alternatives to Alcohol for Altered States of ConsciousnessPeople are turning to alternative methods like cannabis, ketamine, and psychedelics to alter their state of consciousness without the negative side effects of heavy drinking. Addressing root causes of low testosterone, such as diet, sleep, and exposure to endocrine disruptors, is crucial.

      People are increasingly opting for alternative ways to alter their state of consciousness without the negative side effects associated with heavy drinking. The non-alcoholic space is growing as people explore better drugs like cannabis, ketamine, and psychedelics. The speaker also mentioned his investment in a testosterone replacement company, Hone (formerly Peak), which offers at-home testing and telemedicine for those with low testosterone levels. He emphasized the importance of addressing the root causes of low testosterone, such as diet, sleep, inflammation, and exposure to endocrine disruptors like phthalates found in plastics and other synthetic materials. The speaker also shared his personal lifestyle choices, such as avoiding microwaves and using glass Tupperware, to minimize exposure to potentially harmful substances.

    • Exploring Unconventional Health TrendsThey prioritize health through various methods, from diet and exercise to alternative therapies and self-care practices. They're open-minded, willing to explore new trends, and emphasize self-improvement and staying informed.

      The individuals in this conversation prioritize health and wellness through various methods, from diet and exercise to alternative therapies and self-care practices. They are open-minded and willing to explore new trends and ideas, even if they seem unconventional at first. For instance, they discuss their preference for lean bodies, high-quality water filtration systems, and the potential benefits of natural light and specific types of shoes. They also emphasize the importance of avoiding inflammatory foods, such as vegetable oils, and consuming healthier alternatives like olive oil or animal fats. Overall, their conversation highlights the importance of self-improvement and staying informed about the latest health trends, even if they seem unusual at first.

    • Distinguishing Meaningful Health Practices from FadsFor those with lower health baselines, certain interventions can lead to noticeable improvements. A 'Wirecutter' version of health advice focusing on evidence-based practices could help. Influencers can also promote effective practices over sensational ones.

      While some people may not notice significant differences from certain health interventions when their baseline is already high, for those with lower health baselines, these interventions can lead to noticeable improvements within a relatively short period. However, it can be challenging to distinguish meaningful practices from trendy or woo-woo fads. A potential solution could be a "Wirecutter" version of health and wellness advice, focusing on actionable steps that significantly enhance one's life without requiring extensive experimentation or commitment to unproven practices. Additionally, influencers can play a crucial role in promoting evidence-based practices rather than sensational topics, making it easier for individuals to distinguish between effective and ineffective interventions. For instance, discussing the importance of a healthy diet or exercise routine can be more impactful than promoting controversial practices like butthole sunning or perineum bathing.

    • Insights into compatibility beyond dating appsUnderstanding spending habits can reveal deeper compatibility in relationships. Prioritizing physical attraction over stated preferences is common. No-code tools and virtual assistants can boost productivity, but managing and training them requires further exploration.

      Understanding someone's spending habits can provide valuable insights into their compatibility for relationships beyond what traditional dating apps can offer. The conversation also touched upon the idea that people often prioritize physical attraction over stated preferences when considering potential partners. Additionally, the rise of no-code tools and virtual assistants has the potential to significantly increase productivity in companies by automating repetitive tasks. However, the conversation did not delve deeply into the specifics of managing and training virtual assistants, leaving that as an area for further exploration. Overall, the discussion highlighted the potential for unconventional approaches to solving common problems in dating and business productivity.

    • Leveraging Virtual Assistants for Business EfficiencyVirtual assistants can help businesses save costs and improve efficiency by handling tasks uniquely suited to them. Investment in VAs can lead to a lean, focused team and valuable content creation.

      Virtual assistants (VAs) can significantly contribute to the efficiency and productivity of a business, even for small teams. This was a surprising discovery during a discussion where the topic of teaching valuable skills to an audience came up. Although the speaker personally struggles with using VAs, they were surprised to find that many people were interested in learning how to effectively utilize them. The cost of hiring VAs is relatively low, making it an affordable solution for businesses looking to streamline their operations. For instance, the speaker's company, with a team of 33 people, spends around $10,000 per year on VAs. This investment has allowed them to maintain a lean, focused team, with VAs handling the tasks that are uniquely suited to them. The discussion also touched upon the importance of creating valuable content and the admiration for those who can do both content creation and business operations effectively.

    • Importance of expertise and consistency in building trustExpertise and consistency are crucial for building trust and engaging an audience. Provide valuable content and maintain a consistent presence to resonate with your audience.

      Consistency and expertise are key in building trust and engaging an audience. The guest on the podcast had impressed the host with his in-depth knowledge and experience in the field, leading the host to do further research and ultimately inviting him onto the show. The guest, who admittedly wasn't as active in content creation or business aspects, appreciated the opportunity to share his insights and connect with the audience. With years of experience under his belt, the guest had built a reputation for providing valuable content, which resonated with the podcast's audience. This interaction highlights the importance of staying true to your niche, providing valuable content, and maintaining a consistent presence to build trust and engage with your audience.

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    The GameStop Guy Has Returned… (And Has A New $210M Bet)
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    25 Years Of Founder WISDOM In 55 Minutes (ft. Jason Fried)

    25 Years Of Founder WISDOM In 55 Minutes (ft. Jason Fried)
    Episode 593:  Sam Parr ( https://twitter.com/theSamParr ) and Jason Fried ( https://x.com/jasonfried ) open up about personal finances, raising kids around wealth and dealing with risk.  — Show Notes: (0:00) Sam and Jason play Would You Rather... (5:15) Loosening the grip on the stick (12:35) The pale blue dot (14:03) Why does the businessworld deserve our best lessons? (18:30) Early days vs. vs. middle days vs later days (24:47) "A founder's job is to inject risk" (29:36) “Cool wears off but useful never does” (31:07) Striking balance with a business partner (34:14) The value of talking about money (37:28) Navigating luxury with kids (40:08) Midwestern values on blast (43:39) The truth about luck (46:55) Staying up vs. staying off (49:45) New insights from old biographies — Links: • [Steal This] Get our proven writing frameworks that have made us millions https://clickhubspot.com/copy • The Most Important Thing - https://tinyurl.com/9ym3xw5b • Peter Lynch books - https://tinyurl.com/2nf87pzb • The Pale Blue Dot - https://www.planetary.org/worlds/pale-blue-dot • The Messy Middle = https://tinyurl.com/2paw5jmk • Sam’s List - http://samslist.co/ • Newspapers.com - http://newpapers.com/ • Pessimists Archive - https://pessimistsarchive.org/ • Grab HubSpot's free AI-Powered Customer Platform and watch your business grow https://clickhubspot.com/fmf — Check Out Sam's Stuff: • Hampton - https://www.joinhampton.com/ • Ideation Bootcamp - https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/ • Copy That - https://copythat.com • Hampton Wealth Survey - https://joinhampton.com/wealth — Check Out Shaan's Stuff: Need to hire? You should use the same service Shaan uses to hire developers, designers, & Virtual Assistants → it’s called Shepherd (tell ‘em Shaan sent you): https://bit.ly/SupportShepherd My First Million is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Production by Arie Desormeaux // Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano
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