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    195: Financing College Rentals & Mobile Home Parks Using Remarkable Creativity with Rudy Curtler

    enOctober 06, 2016

    Podcast Summary

    • Real Estate in Mobile Home Parks vs Single Family HomesMobile home parks can yield 6x more returns than single family homes and creating a complete BiggerPockets profile is essential for expanding your network and finding deals, partners, and mentors.

      Real estate investing through single family homes and mobile home parks can yield significantly different returns. The speaker shared his personal experience of earning approximately 6 times more in investments from mobile home parks than in single family homes, without the stress and headaches often associated with the latter. Additionally, creating and completing a BiggerPockets profile is essential for expanding your network and increasing opportunities for finding deals, partners, and mentors. Filling out the profile with accurate and complete information, including a personal photo, can help build trust and establish a stronger online presence.

    • Leveraging BiggerPockets for Valuable OpportunitiesConnecting on BiggerPockets can lead to no money down investment opportunities, passive income through funds, and partnerships with reputable companies for maximized returns.

      Connecting with others in the real estate community on a personal level through creating a profile on BiggerPockets can lead to valuable opportunities. For instance, companies like Rent to Retirement offer no money down investment opportunities for buying turnkey rental properties. Alternatively, investors can pursue passive income through funds like Pine Financial Group. Meanwhile, trusted multifamily syndicators like BAM Capital deliver maximized returns for accredited investors. Ultimately, partnering with reputable companies can help navigate the challenges of real estate investing and generate wealth.

    • Personal experiences and family connections as catalysts for real estate investingExploring personal dissatisfactions and leveraging family connections can lead to successful real estate investment partnerships.

      Rudy's dissatisfaction with renting led him to explore real estate investing. His interest turned into commitment when he saw the potential for significant upside in a specific market and formed a partnership with a family member who had local knowledge and expertise. Despite facing initial challenges, they eventually found success by leveraging their connection to a local realtor and each other's strengths. This story illustrates how personal experiences and family connections can be powerful catalysts for starting a real estate investment business.

    • Identifying opportunities in less lucrative propertiesInvesting in less lucrative properties with potential for conversion can yield significant returns, even with challenges like high turnover rates and shared rent payments.

      Smart real estate investments require considering the market dynamics and future potential, even in less lucrative properties. The investors in this discussion started with a 2 bedroom, 1 bath single family home in a college community and identified the opportunity to convert the basement into additional living space, turning it into a 4 bedroom, 2 bath property. They paid $120,000 and rented it for $1200 a month, doubling their initial investment. However, in this niche market, they had to deal with high turnover rates and potential tenants sharing responsibilities for rent payments. Despite these challenges, they saw the potential for growth in the college community and decided to take the risk and learn as they went along.

    • Leveraging a Sweat Equity Partner for Real Estate InvestingPartnering with someone who complements your skills or resources can help real estate investors get started or grow their business without requiring a large investment or time commitment. Clearly defining roles and building trust is crucial in a sweat equity partnership.

      Partnering with someone who brings a different skillset or resource to the table can help real estate investors get started or grow their business even if they lack money or time. This concept is known as a Sweat Equity Partner. In this arrangement, each partner contributes differently to the business or deal. One partner may provide the financing while the other partner handles day-to-day operations and customer interactions. This partnership allows both parties to benefit from the deal without having to invest all the capital or time themselves. However, it's essential to build trust and establish clear communication and roles within the partnership. Additionally, investing at a distance can be challenging, and having a trusted partner with boots on the ground can be beneficial.

    • Building Trust in Long-Distance Real Estate PartnershipsTrust, similar business interests, regular communication, and effective conflict resolution are essential for successful long-distance real estate partnerships. Understand local markets, pricing, and financials when investing in college rentals, and utilize effective marketing strategies.

      Successful long-distance real estate partnerships require trust and similar business interests. The partners should have regular communication and be able to resolve differences. Distance is not a major issue with the advancement of technology. For those considering investing in college rental properties, it's crucial to understand the local market, pricing, and financials, including having enough reserves for unexpected expenses. Effective marketing strategies include Craigslist, Facebook, and utilizing the college's resources as a virtual billboard. In communities where a majority of homes are rentals, pricing can be more challenging, but understanding the market and setting realistic expectations can lead to a profitable investment.

    • Working with family in real estate investmentsHaving a family member as a real estate investment partner can bring valuable insights, but clear communication and a written agreement are crucial to avoid conflicts.

      Having an agent with personal investment experience in the real estate market can provide valuable insights and understanding of unique market dynamics. This can be particularly beneficial for investors. Additionally, working with family in a real estate investment business can be risky, and it's important to keep business and personal matters separate. This includes having a written contract and regular communication about financial matters. While it may feel silly to sign such an agreement with a close family member or friend, it's essential to ensure clear communication and understanding of goals and expectations to avoid potential conflicts and misunderstandings in the future.

    • Investing in Mobile Home Parks for Passive IncomeMobile home parks offer potential for higher returns through lot rent and commercial development on land. Location and expansion potential are key factors in selecting a park.

      Mobile home parks can be an effective way to build passive income. Mobile home parks involve owning the land that mobile homes sit on and collecting lot rent from residents. This is similar to traditional rental properties, but with potential for higher returns due to the potential for commercial buildings and undeveloped land on the property. The speaker, Josh, and his team were initially drawn to a mobile home park due to its location on a major highway in a bedroom community, with easy access to a larger city and potential for growth. They also noted that the park was expanding towards the city limits. By examining the rent roll, they were able to understand current rents and potential for increases. Jeff Sloan's podcast on mobile home parks, mentioned on BiggerPockets, provided valuable information on this investment strategy.

    • Improving mobile home parks leads to increased rentsFocusing on community clean-up, maintenance, and strategic improvements can lead to higher rents in mobile home parks.

      Effective management and improvements in a mobile home park can lead to increased rents. This can include cleaning up the community, handling maintenance, and even adding RV sites in visible areas. The speakers in this discussion shared their experience of buying a mobile home park with vacant units and underutilized RV sites. They focused on improving the park by removing underperforming RV sites and replacing them with new ones in a more visible location. This small investment led to a significant increase in income. It's essential for landlords to consider their market and potential income sources when making improvements in a mobile home park. In their case, they acknowledged the uncertainty of income from RV sites and instead focused on mobile homes, which proved to be a successful strategy.

    • Transforming underutilized mobile home park spaces into RV rental sitesMobile home park owners can optimize unused spaces by converting them into RV rental sites, generating substantial returns within nine months, and attracting consistent demand

      Transforming underutilized spaces in mobile home parks into RV rental sites can be a profitable venture. The case discussed involved converting two mobile home spots into RV parking areas, which have been rented out for two years. The rent for these RV sites varies depending on the duration of stay, with daily, weekly, and monthly rates available. The cost to prepare the land for RVs is around $2,000 per pad, and the revenue generated can cover this cost within nine months. This innovative approach not only generates income but also attracts a consistent demand for more RV spots. The success of this venture has filled the initial two RV sites and eight additional ones, with six of these usually occupied. The potential for expansion is significant, with regular inquiries for more RV spots. This strategy offers an opportunity for mobile home park owners to optimize their unused spaces and generate substantial returns.

    • Investing in Mobile Home Parks: Significant Returns and Reduced ResponsibilitiesMobile home parks offer under-market rents, potential for profit through utility billing, and the ability to improve and increase rents. They provide higher returns on investment, reduced maintenance responsibilities, and the ability to scale up more easily compared to single family houses.

      Mobile home parks can offer significant investment opportunities for those looking to enter the real estate market. The speakers in this discussion identified under-market rents, potential for profit through utility billing, and the ability to improve and increase rents as key reasons for investing in mobile home parks. They also highlighted the benefits of owning a mobile home park over a single family house, including higher returns on investment, reduced maintenance responsibilities, and the ability to scale up more easily. The speakers shared their personal experiences of stumbling upon mobile home parks as an alternative investment strategy when they were unable to afford larger apartment buildings. They also discussed their management strategies, which involve having local partners oversee day-to-day operations while maintaining overall responsibility for the community's upkeep and reputation. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the potential for strong returns and reduced headaches that come with investing in mobile home parks.

    • Mayo Clinic's growth drives demand for affordable housing in Rochester, MNReal estate investors can profitably rehab mobile home parks in Rochester, MN, by upgrading homes and filling empty spaces, with unique financing solutions like the one from 21st Mortgage and Clayton Homes.

      The Mayo Clinic's infrastructure development in Rochester, Minnesota, is leading to increased demand for affordable housing. This trend presents an opportunity for real estate investors to capitalize on the situation by rehabbing mobile home parks and filling empty spaces with newer homes. One unique financing solution comes from 21st Mortgage and Clayton Homes, which helps cover the costs of moving homes into mobile home parks, allowing park owners to grow their revenue and profitability. Obtaining a mobile home dealer's license, like in South Dakota, is a necessary step for park owners to participate in such programs. The ultimate goal is to upgrade homes and fill empty spaces, creating a thriving and desirable community. Creative financing methods, such as this partnership, can open doors to profitable opportunities in real estate investing.

    • Exploring Creative Financing Options for Real Estate InvestingAsk questions, seek advice, and remain curious to discover innovative financing solutions for real estate deals, utilizing personal assets, business partnerships, home equity lines of credit, and even life insurance policies.

      Creative financing is an essential tool for real estate investors looking to expand their portfolio and reach their financial goals. This can involve utilizing various resources such as personal assets, business partnerships, home equity lines of credit, and even the cash value of life insurance policies. To develop a mindset for creative financing, it's crucial to ask questions, seek advice from industry professionals, and remain curious. Don't assume there's only one way to finance deals – instead, explore all possibilities. The speaker's success story is a testament to the power of asking the right questions and finding innovative solutions. The BiggerPockets community is a valuable resource for those looking to learn more about creative financing and expand their real estate investing knowledge.

    • Investigating Mobile Home Park Rent Rates and Septic SystemsThoroughly research potential mobile home parks for purchase by examining local rent rates, park infrastructure, and potential added responsibilities to ensure profitability.

      Investing in mobile home parks can be profitable, but it requires thorough research and understanding of the specific park and its responsibilities. When considering purchasing a mobile home park, the first step is to investigate rent rates of comparable parks in the area and ensure the park is not reliant on costly septic or lagoon systems. As a park owner, added responsibilities include managing the park and potentially handling snow removal and mowing costs. Creative funding methods include utilizing cash value in life insurance policies. To find potential mobile home parks for purchase, online searches are recommended, and websites like LoopNet can also be useful. Overall, with proper preparation and research, investing in mobile home parks can yield significant returns.

    • The Importance of Staying Committed and Having Grit in Real Estate InvestingStaying committed and having grit are essential ingredients for real estate investing success. Learn from resources like 'The Lean Startup' and Angela Duckworth's research on perseverance and continuous improvement.

      Key takeaway from this conversation with Rudy is the importance of staying committed and having grit in real estate investing. Rudy shared that his favorite business book, "The Lean Startup" by Eric Ries, emphasizes the importance of perseverance and continuous improvement. He also mentioned Angela Duckworth's research on grit as a key factor in separating successful investors from those who give up. Additionally, Rudy highlighted the value of staying informed through resources like BiggerPockets and being open to learning new things. So, whether you're just starting out or looking to level up your real estate investing game, remember that staying committed and having grit are essential ingredients for success. To learn more about Rudy, you can check out his website at www.rudyharper.com or follow him on Facebook at www.facebook.com/rudyharperrealestate.

    • Building Strong Partnerships in Real Estate InvestingFind a partner who complements your skills and resources for successful real estate investments.

      Rudy Kertler, a real estate investor and writer, emphasized the importance of building strong partnerships in real estate investing. He suggested finding a partner who has time but no money, and vice versa, as a smart way to invest. Kertler also mentioned his love for mobile home parks and recommended the TV show "Designated Survivor." During the conversation, the hosts expressed their camaraderie and shared their current entertainment preferences. The hosts encouraged listeners to create and fill out their profiles on BiggerPockets and spread the word about the platform. The upcoming episode will feature an interview for show 200, and the hosts are still deciding on the guest.

    • Find an investor-friendly agent for long-term successUse BiggerPockets Agent Finder to connect with local market experts and gain valuable insights for informed real estate investment decisions

      For those interested in real estate investing, it's important to focus on the long-term and find an investor-friendly agent to help navigate the market. With the constantly shifting rates and headlines, it can be challenging to stay informed and make confident decisions. BiggerPockets.com offers a free resource, Agent Finder, which allows users to input their desired investment location and property type to be matched with local market experts. These agents can provide valuable insights and guidance, helping investors make informed decisions and move closer to financial freedom. Remember, it's not about timing the market perfectly, but rather having the right information and support to make the most of your time in the market. Always consult with qualified advisors before making any investment decisions, as all investments involve risk.

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