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    206. When Is It Time to Step Aside?

    en-usAugust 04, 2024
    What psychological factors influence reluctance to retire?
    How does the Bridges Transition Model assist in retirement?
    What challenges does Erickson identify at different life stages?
    Why do some professions have mandatory retirement ages?
    What is the role of identity in the transition process?

    Podcast Summary

    • Struggle to let go of power or relevancePeople have a strong connection between their work and identity, making it difficult to let go of power or relevance. Understanding emotional and psychological reasons can help navigate this complex issue.

      People find it difficult to let go of power or relevance due to a strong connection between their work and identity. This was exemplified in the discussion about individuals who have held onto their positions for extended periods, such as CEOs, senators, and even Supreme Court justices. The lack of a clear vision for a new chapter in life may contribute to this reluctance. Mandatory retirement ages exist in some professions, but the decision to retire is not always an easy one, as seen in the case of judges in North Dakota who risk losing their retirement benefits if they don't retire by a certain age. Ultimately, understanding the emotional and psychological reasons behind the struggle to let go can help individuals and organizations navigate this complex issue.

    • Mandatory retirement agesMandatory retirement ages for positions of power may not account for the fact that some cognitive abilities continue to develop with age, leading to resistance to relinquishing power

      The founders of the United States may not have anticipated the significant increase in life expectancy and cognitive decline that comes with aging when they set mandatory retirement ages for positions of power, such as the presidency. While some cognitive abilities, like processing speed and impulse control, peak in our teens and twenties, others, like knowledge and wisdom, continue to grow throughout our lives. However, it's important to note that ageism, or discrimination based on age, is not the focus of this discussion. Instead, the challenge lies in understanding why some individuals have a hard time relinquishing power and relevance, even as they age and their staff takes on more responsibilities.

    • Identity in retirementRecognizing the significance of identity in our lives can help us navigate the challenges of retirement and embrace a new phase with preparation

      Our identity, particularly our professional identity, can be deeply intertwined with how we view ourselves and how we are perceived by others. This can make the transition to retirement or a new phase in life feel threatening, as it challenges our sense of self. My father's story illustrates this, as he found it difficult to let go of his identity as a successful scientist, even in retirement. This focus on work identity is not unique to my father or to the United States, as it's often one of the first questions asked when meeting someone new. In academia, there are incentives for tenured professors to stay, making it a challenge for them to move on. Overall, recognizing the importance of identity in our lives can help us better understand the challenges of retirement and the importance of preparing for a new chapter.

    • Retirement Transition StagesUnderstanding and applying the Bridges Transition Model can help individuals approach retirement with a positive mindset and make the most of this new chapter in their lives by recognizing losses, navigating the neutral zone, and embracing a new identity.

      Transitioning into retirement is a process that involves managing losses, navigating the neutral zone, and embracing a new beginning with a fresh identity. Professor William Bridges, an emeritus professor himself, identified these stages in his Bridges Transition Model. The first stage is recognizing what one is losing and learning to cope with it. The second stage is the neutral zone, a transitional period where the old is gone but the new isn't fully in place. Lastly, the new beginning is a release of energy in a new direction and an expression of a fresh identity. Research shows that people who successfully navigate this transition are those who understand that their identity is not fixed and embrace the idea of new chapters in their lives. However, letting go of the past and embracing the future can be challenging for many, and it's essential to recognize and address the reasons for this resistance. Overall, understanding and applying the Bridges Transition Model can help individuals approach retirement with a positive mindset and make the most of this new chapter in their lives.

    • Identity and purpose beyond powerFinding meaning and purpose in life beyond power and prestige through being useful and contributing to others can lead to a fulfilling and engaging life, even in old age.

      It's important to find meaning and purpose in life beyond power and prestige. The story of the retired lawyer and Olympic athlete who found joy in being a helpful dock worker shows that having an identity rooted in being useful and contributing to others can keep us young and engaged. Mitt Romney's decision to step down from his political career and make way for new leaders is another example of letting go of power for the greater good. Erickson's stages of life theory, which emphasizes the importance of identity development throughout the lifespan, further highlights this idea. Ultimately, focusing on being useful and making a positive impact on others can lead to a fulfilling and meaningful life, even as we age.

    • Human Development StagesEach stage of human development, from infancy to middle age, presents unique challenges that must be met to ensure progress and personal growth. Failure to do so can lead to stagnation and self-centeredness. The final stage, proposed by Erickson's wife, emphasizes resilience and growth by facing all past challenges simultaneously.

      According to psychoanalyst Eric Erickson, human development involves overcoming various challenges at different stages of life to progress. Starting from infancy, where the challenge is trust, each stage, including toddlerhood (autonomy), preschool (purpose), elementary school (industry), adolescence (identity), early adulthood (intimacy), and middle age (generativity), has its unique challenge. Failure to meet these challenges can lead to stagnation and self-centeredness. The final stage, proposed by Erickson's wife Joan, is the ninth stage, where individuals face all past challenges simultaneously, making it a significant test of resilience and growth. This concept emphasizes the importance of personal growth and contributing to something beyond oneself.

    • Embracing new opportunitiesEven the greatest athletes and individuals must eventually transition to new roles or opportunities, rather than clinging to the past. Focusing on the present and accepting that our actions may be forgotten can be liberating.

      It's important to move on from our past accomplishments and embrace new opportunities rather than cling to them. Using the analogy of athletics, Brooks suggests that there comes a time when even the greatest athletes can no longer compete at the highest level. Instead of struggling with the end of their careers, they should transition to new roles, such as coaching or investing. Danny Kahneman, a Nobel laureate in economics, provides an example of this. Throughout his life, he encouraged those who worked with him and didn't focus on his legacy. Kahneman believed that no one would remember him in the long run, and this perspective allowed him to enjoy his legacy without being weighed down by the pressure to leave a lasting impact. The realization that our actions may be forgotten can be liberating and help us focus on living in the present.

    • Post-presidency humanitarian workFormer President Jimmy Carter's post-presidency focus on humanitarian work, including the establishment of the Carter Center and efforts to eradicate Guinea worm disease, demonstrates the value of helping others and making a difference in the world beyond personal accomplishments.

      Former President Jimmy Carter serves as an inspiring example of embracing new chapters in life and focusing on helping others, rather than clinging to past accomplishments. After leaving office, Carter established the Carter Center to advance human rights and alleviate human suffering, winning the Nobel Peace Prize in the process. He also advocated for affordable housing and worked to eradicate Guinea worm disease, reducing its reported cases from over three million in 1986 to just 13 in 2022. Carter's philosophy of helping others, as demonstrated by his Sunday school teachings, encourages individuals to make a difference in their communities and focus on the well-being of others, rather than their own self-importance. By recognizing that we're not the only characters in the story of life, we can add the most value by helping those in need.

    • Age and LeadershipAge is just a number in politics and sports, many leaders and athletes continue to excel beyond typical retirement age, challenging assumptions and embracing new perspectives is important.

      Age is just a number, whether it's in politics or sports. Representative Nancy Pelosi, who is currently 84 years old, is proof that many politicians can continue to lead and make an impact well into their older years. Similarly, athletes like LeBron James and Tom Brady defy the norm by continuing to excel in their respective professions beyond the typical retirement age. Additionally, during last week's episode, we heard from listener Katie Johnson about the value of compassionate curiosity. She shared how this perspective has allowed her to better understand others and navigate difficult situations. Overall, these examples demonstrate the importance of challenging assumptions and embracing new perspectives, regardless of age or profession.

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