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    217: How to Work Less and Earn More Using the 80/20 Rule with Perry Marshall

    enMarch 09, 2017
    How can outsourcing tasks improve productivity?
    What is the Pareto Principle in real estate investing?
    Who are the hosts of the BiggerPockets Podcast?
    What value does delegating tasks provide to investors?
    What did Perry Marshall recommend for finding assistants?

    Podcast Summary

    • Focusing on high-value properties and systems for successThe Pareto Principle applies to real estate investing, emphasizing the importance of focusing on a few high-value properties and building efficient systems to maximize income and productivity.

      In real estate investing, a significant portion of income comes from a small number of properties. This phenomenon, known as the Pareto Principle or the 80/20 rule, applies to most businesses and illustrates the importance of focusing on what generates the most value. The hosts of the BiggerPockets Podcast, Josh Dorkin and Brandon Turner, discussed this concept during their conversation about their experiences and the benefits of passive income. They also highlighted the importance of building systems and delegating tasks to others to maximize productivity and value. Their guest for the episode was a marketer and author, and although not a real estate investor, his insights on business scaling were relevant to investors. The episode covered topics like direct mail marketing, testing, and the concept of making $10,000 an hour. To get the most value from the show, listeners are encouraged to focus on the practical applications of these concepts to their real estate businesses. If you're interested in learning more, check out the show notes at biggerpockets.com/show217. Remember, leaving a rating or review on your preferred podcast platform and spreading the word about the podcast helps support the show.

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    • The 80/20 Principle's connection to chaos theoryThe 80/20 principle is not just a business rule of thumb, but a fundamental principle that can be observed in various phenomena, with underlying causes rooted in chaos theory.

      The 80/20 principle, which states that 20% of what you do gets you 80% of your results, is deeply connected to chaos theory. Perry Marshall, a marketing expert, discovered this connection after reading Richard Koch's book, "The 80/20 Principle." Marshall was initially skeptical of the principle, viewing it as a simple business rule of thumb. However, after reading Koch's book, he realized that the 80/20 principle is a master formula of cause and effect that applies to various aspects of life. He saw that there is an 80/20 inside every 80/20, meaning that there are underlying causes for the 80/20 distribution. This connection between the 80/20 principle and chaos theory provides a deeper understanding of why the principle is so effective. It's not just a rule of thumb, but a fundamental principle that can be observed in various phenomena, from marketing to science. Marshall's realization transformed his perspective on the 80/20 principle and led him to further explore its applications in his work.

    • Focus on top-performing areas for significant resultsApplying the 80/20 rule can help prioritize tasks and resources, focusing on areas that yield the greatest impact for minimal effort

      The 80/20 rule, also known as the Pareto Principle, is a pervasive pattern found in various aspects of life and business. It states that a small percentage of inputs usually leads to a large percentage of outputs. For instance, in a Google AdWords account, focusing on optimizing the top-performing ad groups can yield significant results with minimal effort, while spending excessive time on underperforming areas may not be worth it. This concept is not limited to Google AdWords but can be observed in various domains, such as income distribution in property management, sales performance among employees, and traffic patterns. In fact, 80% of the results often come from 20% of the efforts or inputs. Furthermore, the 80/20 rule can be applied to losses, product returns, or defects as well. The principle holds true whether analyzing the good or the bad end of the spectrum. This insight can revolutionize the way we prioritize our tasks and resources, enabling us to focus on what truly matters and maximize our productivity.

    • Focus on the 20% for significant improvementsIdentifying and addressing the root causes of 80% of problems can lead to significant improvements in various aspects of life, prioritize resources towards high-performing assets, and let go of underperforming ones.

      Focusing on the 20% of areas or people that contribute to 80% of the problems or results can lead to significant improvements in various aspects of life. This concept, known as the Pareto Principle, can be applied to various situations such as real estate investments, tenant management, and business relationships. For instance, in real estate, a small number of properties may generate the majority of income, while a larger number may cause more headaches but contribute less. In such cases, it's essential to prioritize resources towards the high-performing assets and consider letting go of the underperforming ones. Similarly, in personal and professional relationships, identifying and addressing the root causes of the majority of issues can lead to significant improvements in overall satisfaction and productivity. It's important to remember that not all problems are worth solving, and resources are better spent on areas that yield the most significant benefits.

    • The 20 onetwenty rule: 20% of investments can make 120% of profits, while another 20% can cause lossesFocus on profitable 80% to make 70% as much money with 30% as much work or even turn a loss into profit, while accepting that 20% might be losing money

      20% of your investments or properties can make up to 120% of your profits, while another 20% can bring your profits down by 20%. This phenomenon, known as the 20 onetwenty rule, is not only applicable to real estate but also to product lines in a company. Many people and businesses might be losing money on these unprofitable investments without realizing it. To identify and eliminate these losers, it's crucial to thoroughly vet all your numbers and accept the fact that it's almost certain that 20% of what you're doing is losing you money. By focusing on the profitable 80%, you could potentially make 70% as much money with 30% as much work or even go from in the red to in the black overnight. Additionally, there's a principle called the $27,100 espresso machine, which states that for every 1,000 people spending an average amount on a product, one person will spend significantly more. This principle can help you understand the importance of catering to your high-value customers.

    • Identifying consumer needs and desires in real estate and marketingTargeted lists with specific qualifications and understanding emotional drivers increase chances of success in real estate and marketing campaigns

      Understanding consumer behavior and identifying their needs and desires are crucial in both real estate and marketing, especially in direct mail campaigns. The most important aspect is having a targeted list with specific qualifications, such as the ability to afford the product and having a pressing need for it. This principle, known as the 5 power disqualifiers, can significantly increase the chances of a successful sale or investment. Additionally, recognizing the emotional drivers behind people's decisions can lead to more effective marketing strategies.

    • Targeting potential buyers with specific needsEffectively reach buyers undergoing life changes, draw them to unique value propositions, and follow up with retargeting ads for optimal results.

      Effective marketing in real estate involves identifying potential buyers with specific needs and reaching out to them through various channels, including direct mail and digital platforms like Facebook, Google, and YouTube. The most successful campaigns target individuals who are experiencing significant life changes, are drawn to a seller's unique value proposition, and have the ability to make a decision. Direct mail tactics, such as hand-addressed letters and personalized URLs, can increase open rates, while retargeting ads allow for multiple touchpoints and follow-up opportunities. By implementing these strategies, real estate professionals can differentiate themselves from competitors and connect with potential buyers more effectively.

    • Testing different marketing ideas can lead to significant improvementsTesting various ideas in marketing can result in substantial improvements in response rates. Focus on the top performers and refine them over time.

      Testing is crucial in marketing, whether it's through email or direct mail, as it can lead to significant improvements in response rates. The 80/20 rule, or Pareto Principle, suggests that a small percentage of tests will yield a large percentage of results. For instance, out of ten different book titles tested for a rental property investing book, one title may have received a 3.5% click rate while others only received 0.5%. Had the title with the lower click rate been chosen without testing, the results would have been 7 times less effective. Therefore, it's essential to test various ideas and refine the best performers over time. Beginners in direct mail marketing should start by testing widely and making tweaks later. Additionally, tools like DealMachine can make the process of obtaining contact information more efficient, allowing investors to focus on refining their strategies.

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    • Maximize value, delegate the restRecognize valuable tasks, delegate or outsource less valuable ones for time savings and productivity gains.

      Focusing on the most valuable tasks and delegating or outsourcing the less valuable ones can lead to significant time savings and increased productivity. This concept applies to various aspects of life, including real estate investing and business ownership. To implement this, start by recognizing that you need to say no to more things and identify tasks that can be offloaded to others. Begin with hiring an assistant for a small investment, which can lead to substantial returns in terms of time and money. Many people underestimate the amount of high-value work that gets neglected or procrastinated, so be prepared to be surprised. This approach requires a shift in mindset and prioritization, but the benefits can be transformative.

    • Delegate tasks and focus on strengths for financial gains and free timeDelegate 80% of tasks and focus on high-value activities for increased revenue and better work-life balance.

      Delegating tasks and focusing on your strengths can lead to significant financial gains and more free time. The speaker shared an example of a real estate deal where he let his assistant handle the initial communication and property assessment, allowing him to focus on the negotiation and closing. This approach resulted in a high hourly rate for his work and enabled him to scale his business. The speaker also emphasized the importance of freeing up time for personal activities and not letting low-value tasks consume your day. As the CEO of BiggerPockets, he has delegated tasks to his team, allowing him to focus on high-value activities and contribute to the growth of the company. Entrepreneurs and investors should aim to delegate 80% of their tasks and focus on the 20% that brings the most value. This approach can lead to increased revenue and a better work-life balance.

    • Deep thinking and outsourcing for productivityDedicating time for deep thinking and outsourcing mundane tasks can boost productivity and overall well-being. Disconnect from devices and engage in thoughtful activities, and consider outsourcing to free up time for more valuable tasks.

      Prioritizing deep thinking and outsourcing routine tasks can significantly improve productivity and overall well-being. The speaker shared his personal experience of dedicating Wednesdays for deep thinking and outside networking, which led to a noticeable difference in his ability to focus on bigger picture activities. He also emphasized the importance of disconnecting from devices and engaging in activities like walking or sitting by a river to encourage thoughtfulness. The speaker admitted that he used to scoff at the idea of outsourcing mundane tasks, but after doing so, he quadrupled his income and worked half as much. He encouraged listeners to consider outsourcing tasks like lawn care, cleaning, or grocery shopping to free up time for more valuable activities. However, it's important to strike a balance and not become too reliant on outsourcing to the point of neglecting responsibilities.

    • Personal growth through self-care and delegationPrioritize self-care, delegate tasks, read for personal development, and hire help to save time and reduce stress for success in personal life and business.

      Self-care and delegation are crucial for personal growth and success, both in personal life and in business. Reading, spending time with family, and taking regular breaks are essential for personal development. Getting rid of unnecessary tasks and hiring help can save time and reduce stress, allowing for better decision-making and problem-solving. A favorite real estate book mentioned was "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill, while a favorite personal development book was the Bible's Book of Proverbs. The importance of a good domain name for Google Ads and real estate was also emphasized. If everyone in leadership positions implemented these practices, it could significantly reduce unemployment.

    • Letting go of attachments for greater successSuccessful individuals release past attachments to focus on goals and achieve success. Testing domain names and headlines can make a big difference, and having a passion project can lead to valuable insights.

      Successful individuals, whether in real estate or entrepreneurship, understand the importance of letting go of things that hold them back. According to Perry Marshall, author and marketing expert, there comes a time in every entrepreneur's career when they must say no to something that's preventing them from moving forward. This could be quitting a job, ending a relationship, or even giving up a cherished hobby. By releasing attachments to the past, individuals can focus on their goals and achieve greater success. Marshall also emphasized the importance of testing different domain names and headlines, as the difference can be significant. His favorite business book is "The Star Principle" by Richard Koch, which offers a straightforward formula for growing wealth. Marshall and Koch have a website, starprincipal.com, where users can score any business. When not marketing or working on projects, Marshall enjoys building stereo equipment as a hobby. He believes having a passion project can lead to valuable insights and help individuals overcome challenges. Overall, Marshall's insights offer valuable lessons for anyone looking to succeed in business or personal growth. To learn more about Perry Marshall, visit his website perrymarshall.com.

    • Outsource tasks to free up time for important workHire help for disliked tasks on platforms like Upwork to optimize time and energy, boost productivity, and potentially increase revenue.

      Outsourcing tasks that you don't enjoy or aren't good at can free up valuable time for entrepreneurs and investors to focus on more important aspects of their business. Perry Marshall, a successful entrepreneur and marketing expert, shared his experience of hiring someone to answer his phone calls, which significantly reduced his time spent on a task he disliked. He suggested using virtual assistant platforms like Upwork to find individuals who can help with various tasks. By outsourcing, individuals can optimize their time and energy, leading to increased productivity and potential revenue growth.

    • Initiating a Second RenaissanceTo initiate a second Renaissance, just 1% of the population needs to wake up and take action. Gratitude, love, and wisdom are keys to a fulfilling life. In real estate, find an investor-friendly agent with BiggerPockets Agent Finder. Time in the market matters more than timing it perfectly.

      We're on the brink of a second Renaissance, but it hasn't started yet. Brandon believes that if we can get just 1% of the population to wake up and take action, we could initiate this exciting time of innovation and progress. Gratitude for God, love, and wisdom are the keys to living a fulfilling life, according to Brandon. In the realm of real estate investing, finding an investor-friendly agent is crucial for navigating the market and achieving financial freedom. With BiggerPockets Agent Finder, you can easily connect with such an agent and get started on your investing journey. Remember, it's not about timing the market perfectly but rather having the time in the market that counts. And lastly, always be informed and consult with qualified advisors before making any investment decisions.

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