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    222. Meet the Woman Who Said Women Can’t Have It All

    en-usOctober 01, 2015

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    • Exploring the mundane things in life that could use a makeoverListeners shared their opinions on what they find stupid or inefficient, sparking conversations about improvements, from everyday items to larger systems.

      People often have strong opinions about seemingly mundane things in their lives that they believe could use a makeover. From umbrellas and toilets to education systems and everyday activities, listeners of Freakonomics Radio shared their thoughts on what they find stupid or inefficient. Anne-Marie Slaughter's article "Why Women Still Can't Have It All" sparked a major debate about women's role in balancing career and family. While her article was mischaracterized by some, it started an important conversation that continues to this day. Overall, the episode showcased the power of questioning the status quo and seeking improvements, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant.

    • Impact of One Article on a CareerOne influential article can significantly alter a career path, shifting public perception and opening new opportunities and challenges.

      That the essay "Why Women Still Can't Have It All" by Anne-Marie Slaughter, which explored the challenges of balancing work and family life, had a profound impact on her career. The article, which went viral in 2012, made Slaughter a public figure and shifted the focus of her public persona from her expertise in foreign policy to her views on work-life balance. Despite her impressive resume, which includes roles as a professor, dean, and Director of Policy Planning at the State Department, she became best known for this one article. The essay sparked a national conversation on the topic and created new opportunities and obligations for Slaughter. It also revealed the societal stigma surrounding women who prioritize family over career, as she was criticized for leaving her dream job at the State Department to spend more time with her family. Today, Slaughter continues to advocate for policies that support work-life balance and gender equality.

    • Advocating for Intervention and International Networking in Foreign PolicyAnne-Marie Slaughter's work emphasizes the importance of long-term strategic thinking, intervention in humanitarian crises, and international networking among government officials to solve complex global issues, while acknowledging potential downsides and the need for citizen engagement.

      Anne-Marie Slaughter, a former Director of Policy Planning at the U.S. Department of State, played a pivotal role in shaping foreign policy through long-term strategic thinking and a focus on American values. She advocated for intervention in humanitarian crises, such as Libya and Syria, and emphasized the importance of international networking among government officials to solve complex global issues. However, she acknowledged the potential downsides of this approach, including the risk of creating a global technocracy that excludes citizens' voices. Overall, Slaughter's work highlights the need for a balance between realism and idealism, and for finding ways to ensure that citizens are engaged in the decision-making process in an increasingly interconnected world.

    • Failure to address humanitarian crises can lead to dire consequencesFormer US Deputy National Security Advisor Anne-Marie Slaughter advocates for direct intervention in humanitarian crises to prevent mass displacement and instability, and the rise of extremist groups.

      The Syrian crisis, marked by the ongoing war and refugee situation, is a prime example of the interconnected nature of humanitarian and strategic interests. Former US Deputy National Security Advisor, Anne-Marie Slaughter, expressed her deep frustration over the international community's failure to intervene more directly when the situation was still predictable. She emphasized that creating safe zones and no-fly zones could have prevented the mass displacement and instability that ensued. If she were in the Secretary of State position today, she would advocate for these measures, as well as pursuing a political compromise to end the civil war, involving all key players. The international community must recognize that failing to address humanitarian crises can lead to dire consequences, including the rise of extremist groups and increased instability.

    • Government emails: Self-censorship and less adviceThe release of government emails can lead to self-censorship and less advice given to superiors, hindering effective policy implementation.

      The public release of emails between a government official and their superior can hinder the free flow of advice and hinder the effective implementation of policy. The official in question, who has been discussed in the interview, expressed that they believe the publication of their emails would lead to self-censorship and less advice given to their superior. They emphasized the importance of the State Department's role in creating strategies to accomplish the objectives set by the White House, as they have the expertise and depth that the National Security Council lacks. The official also encouraged emphasizing the diplomat-in-chief role and being the architect of strategies when discussing the relationship between the State Department and the White House.

    • Power concentration in presidency disempowers experts and departmentsThe concentration of power in the presidency can hinder effective governance by reducing the influence of experts and departments, leading to a reliance on the White House bureaucracy and potentially neglecting the needs of the American people.

      The concentration of power in the presidency can lead to the disempowerment of experts and departments in American government. This can be detrimental to effective governance as those departments engage with Congress to represent the American people. The creation of a White House bureaucracy can result in power flowing towards the center, leading to the president and their staff attempting to control it. However, the complexity and vast range of issues require the president and their staff to rely on the expertise of these departments. Anne-Marie Slaughter's decision to leave her job as Director of Policy Planning in the White House to return to Princeton highlights the challenges of balancing a high-powered career with family responsibilities. The experience of having to commute between Princeton and Washington D.C. while dealing with her son's behavior issues ultimately led her to prioritize her family life over her career.

    • Women's choices in high-powered careers face societal judgmentAnne-Marie Slaughter's decision to prioritize family over career sparked debate, highlighting societal pressure on women to choose between personal and professional obligations.

      Personal choices, especially for women in high-powered careers, can be met with judgment and criticism from society. Anne-Marie Slaughter's decision to leave her dream job at the State Department to care for her teenage sons at home sparked a heated debate. While some saw it as a valid decision for a working mother, others believed it set a bad precedent for women in the workforce. Slaughter's experience highlights the societal pressure on women to prioritize their careers over their family obligations. Despite the controversy, Slaughter stood firm in her belief that her role as a mother and wife was just as important as her professional identity. Ultimately, her decision to prioritize her family led to a positive outcome for her son, who is now in college. The debate surrounding Slaughter's decision underscores the need for societal acceptance of women's choices to balance their personal and professional lives.

    • Refocusing efforts on elevating care's value and expanding men's choicesTo achieve gender equality, it's essential to shift focus from increasing women's roles to elevating care's value and expanding opportunities for men in caregiving roles.

      Achieving gender equality requires focusing less on women's roles and more on elevating the value of care and expanding choices for men. Margaret Slaughter, a renowned author and former foreign policy expert, argues that the current focus on increasing the number of women in high positions is not enough to bring about real equality. Instead, she suggests re-socializing men and expanding opportunities for them in caregiving roles. This shift in perspective is crucial for addressing the unfinished business of the women's movement and ensuring true equality between men and women. Men, making up a significant portion of this program's audience, are encouraged to consider new signposts and attitudes towards work and family life to contribute to this essential change.

    • Changing societal expectations for gender rolesWomen should not have to choose between careers and motherhood, and men should take on caregiving responsibilities. However, it's crucial to address challenges faced by women, especially single mothers, and focus on improving the lives of all women.

      Societal expectations limiting men to be breadwinners and women to focus on family roles needs to change for true gender equality. Women, including high-achieving ones, should not have to compromise their careers for motherhood, and men should be encouraged to take on caregiving responsibilities. However, it's essential to acknowledge the privilege inherent in this conversation and address the significant challenges faced by women, particularly single mothers, who lack access to affordable care and paid leave. To create meaningful change, the women's movement must focus on improving the lives of women at all socio-economic levels.

    • Learning from Diverse LeadersWorking under Shirley Tillman and Hillary Clinton taught valuable lessons in leadership and resilience. Efficient desalinization is crucial for global water crises. Be prepared for potential disease pandemics, especially airborne ones. No plans to return to government work.

      The importance of learning from diverse leaders and experiences. The speaker shares insights from working under Shirley Tillman, the first female president of Princeton, and Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of State. They taught her valuable lessons in leadership and resilience. Regarding future discoveries, the speaker emphasizes the need for efficient desalinization to address global water crises. As for potential threats to humankind, they express concern over disease pandemics, particularly if a lethal virus were to spread easily through the air. Lastly, when asked about the possibility of returning to government work under a Clinton presidency, the speaker humorously declines, having spent too much time in Washington already.

    • Speaker's thoughts on foreign policy and caring for aging parentsThe speaker, passionate about foreign policy, isn't planning to take a high position, but emphasizes the importance of children caring for aging parents, like a contractual obligation.

      The speaker, who has a passion for foreign policy, is currently not anticipating any changes to take on a high foreign policy position, but believes in the idea of children having a contractual obligation to take care of their aging parents. The speaker also mentioned that Freakonomics Radio, which explores the hidden side of everything, can be heard on public radio stations starting this fall, and listeners can find more Freakonomics content on their website, social media, and by subscribing to their podcast. The speaker ended the conversation by encouraging listeners to commit to taking care of their aging parents, just as they might have a contractual obligation to do so.

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