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    240: Flipping Your Way Out of (Student Loan) Debt & the Transition to Rentals with Brentin Hess

    enAugust 17, 2017

    Podcast Summary

    • Invest in real estate with little to no money down using programs like Rent to Retirement and efficient lead generation tools.Investors can buy rental properties with discounted prices, low down payments, or even no money down through Rent to Retirement. Efficient lead generation tools like DealMachine provide valuable off-market contacts at no extra cost, and securing landlord insurance is simplified with online options.

      There are opportunities to invest in real estate with little to no money down through programs like Rent to Retirement. This approach allows investors to buy new construction turnkey rental properties at discounted prices and secure financing with low down payment options or even no money down. Additionally, tools like DealMachine provide valuable contact information for off-market deals at no extra cost, making lead generation more efficient. Lastly, securing landlord insurance for rental properties can be simplified with companies like Steadily, offering fast and affordable online options. These resources can help investors overcome common barriers to entry and get started in real estate investing.

    • New Content Hubs for Different Learning StylesBiggerPockets introduces content hubs for various learning styles, including videos, podcasts, and blogs, to cater to diverse user preferences.

      The BiggerPockets team is introducing content hubs to cater to various learning styles and preferences of their users. They recognized that individuals learn differently and have categorized and labeled their content accordingly. This new feature allows users to easily find valuable information based on their preferred learning method, whether it be through videos, podcasts, or blogs. The team plans to continue improving and expanding these content hubs based on user feedback. Additionally, the episode featured Brinton Hess, a young and successful real estate investor, who shared his journey into real estate and valuable insights for listeners.

    • Transitioning from sales to real estate investing without prior experienceSuccess in new ventures comes from curiosity, determination, and a strong work ethic, even without prior experience or mentors.

      Starting a new venture, especially in an unfamiliar field, requires a willingness to learn and a passion for the work. The speaker in this discussion shares his experience of transitioning from sales to real estate investing, despite having no prior experience or mentors. He formed a partnership with friends and took on various roles, learning the ropes through hands-on experience. Dealing with contractors at a young age was intimidating, but he persisted and learned through trial and error. The speaker emphasizes that success often comes down to being willing to ask questions and look stupid, rather than avoiding new experiences out of fear. His story illustrates the importance of curiosity, determination, and a strong work ethic in overcoming challenges and achieving goals.

    • Learning from each deal for long-term successFocusing on building a system and learning from each deal leads to long-term success in real estate investing, even if individual deals could have been more profitable with hindsight.

      Focusing on building systems and learning from each deal is crucial for long-term success in real estate investing, rather than just trying to complete individual deals. The speaker shared their personal journey, starting with flipping a house in college to pay off debt, which led them to where they are today, having flipped or being in the process of 17 properties. Their first deal, bought for $121,000 and sold for $205,000, resulted in a $34,000 profit and a 17% ROI. Although they acknowledge that they could have made more with the knowledge they have now, the importance lies in the lessons learned and the foundation laid for future success. The deal took 4.5 months to complete and was found through networking within their community.

    • Unexpected opportunities from agent relationshipsBuilding relationships with agents can lead to deals, but preparation and financing strategies are crucial for success.

      Building relationships with other real estate agents can lead to unexpected opportunities. Our office had a listing where the seller was facing foreclosure, and we were able to buy the property quickly due to our agent's good reputation and ability to close deals swiftly. However, we could have prepared better by lining up contractors, bids, and plans beforehand to save time and money. Additionally, leveraging capital through financing instead of paying in cash could have allowed us to take on more deals and increase profits. New real estate investors should focus on building a pipeline of deals rather than just focusing on individual transactions. Thinking in terms of systems and long-term planning can lead to greater success in the industry.

    • Effective pipeline management and financing options for real estate investorsUtilizing tools like Gantt charts for project management and time management, and exploring financing options such as a guidance line of credit, can significantly help manage and accelerate a real estate investing business.

      Utilizing a pipeline, such as a Gantt chart or even a shared calendar, can significantly help manage and accelerate a real estate investing business. The speaker emphasized the importance of project management and time management tools, specifically mentioning Gantt charts. Additionally, they discussed their experience with a guidance line of credit from a local bank, which allowed them to finance multiple property renovations at once, despite requiring a 25% down payment and having to undergo individual property approvals. This type of credit acts as a guide for investors to tap into the approved credit limit, ensuring the lender's first position in the property and securing the lending. Overall, implementing effective pipeline management and exploring various financing options, like a guidance line of credit, can contribute to the success and growth of a real estate investing business.

    • Building strong relationships in real estate investingChoose business partners wisely based on shared values and visions, consider partnering with those who complement each other, and explore different avenues in real estate investing for potential financial freedom through rental income.

      Building strong relationships in real estate investing can lead to memorable experiences and successful partnerships. However, it's crucial to carefully choose business partners based on shared values and visions. The speaker shared how a sandwich encounter led him to remember a past partner, emphasizing the importance of relationship-building. He also advised that those with money but little time should consider partnering with those who have time but little money, as people need each other in real estate. The speaker also discussed his transition from flipping houses to rental properties, explaining how he was inspired by successful investors in the industry and the potential for financial freedom through rental income. Ultimately, it's essential to explore different avenues in real estate investing and prioritize building strong relationships along the way.

    • Asking simple questions can lead to off-market opportunitiesAsking 'do you have anything else to sell?' to listing agents can uncover hidden deals. Creative financing options can help secure financing even without sufficient funds.

      Expanding your real estate investment portfolio doesn't always mean limiting yourself to what's listed on the market. By asking simple questions, such as "do you have anything else to sell?" when speaking with listing agents, investors can uncover off-market opportunities. This strategy worked for one investor, who was able to acquire an 11-unit portfolio by asking this question, resulting in a strong cash-on-cash return and a valuable asset. Even if an investor doesn't currently have the funds for a deal, they should consider creative financing options and not give up on the opportunity. For instance, bringing in a cosigner with strong financials can make the investor a stronger borrower and help secure financing. Overall, being persistent and resourceful in real estate investing can lead to significant rewards.

    • Creative financing and partnershipsExplore possibilities and ask deeper questions to make a deal work, even without a full down payment. Partner with someone who has access to capital and lending relationships to succeed in real estate investing.

      Successful real estate investing often involves figuring out creative financing solutions and asking "how can we," rather than focusing on limitations. The speakers in this discussion shared their experience of purchasing an 11-unit property in Baltimore City, where they didn't have the full down payment. They brought in a partner, Austin Carroll, who had access to capital and lending relationships. Together, they made the deal work and are now in the process of refinancing with a valuation of around $880,000. The greatest lesson from their experience is the importance of asking deeper questions and exploring possibilities to make a deal work. The deal currently has 9 of the 11 units filled, and once stabilized, it will provide infinite cash on cash return. The first year's financials project a profit of $40,000 to $44,000 after setting aside funds for future repairs. The term "stabilized" refers to the value-add improvements they made to the property to make it more attractive to investors.

    • Stabilizing properties and efficient lead generation in real estate investingInvestors need to stabilize properties for bank financing and generate leads efficiently. DealMachine offers access to off-market deals, Host Financial simplifies loan qualification, Pine Financial Group provides passive income, and Redfin helps buyers and sellers with low fees.

      Real estate investing involves various stages, and each stage comes with its unique requirements. For instance, a property is considered stabilized once renovations are completed and tenants are in place, allowing banks to lend against the income-producing asset. Meanwhile, efficient lead generation is crucial for investors, and DealMachine offers unlimited access to reliable contact information for off-market deals. Additionally, Host Financial simplifies the loan qualification process for investors, while Pine Financial Group provides passive income opportunities through mortgage funds. Lastly, Redfin's platform helps buyers find their perfect homes and sellers get the best prices, with low fees saving sellers significant amounts of money. For those considering a transition from a full-time job to real estate investing, it's essential to evaluate personal circumstances and ask the right questions before making the leap.

    • Considering pension benefits, think about wealth-building alternativesInstead of being trapped by pension benefits, explore real estate investing for potential income and financial freedom

      Instead of being trapped in a job you dislike due to pension benefits, consider the potential of building wealth through alternative means, such as real estate investing. The speaker shares her personal experience of wanting to leave her accounting job but feeling stuck due to a pension. She found inspiration in her desire to be a role model for her young niece and nephew and make a change. The transition was not easy financially, but the potential income from rental properties could eventually surpass her pension. This perspective encourages those in similar situations to evaluate their priorities and consider the potential rewards of following their passions.

    • Following your passion leads to growthDocumenting your journey helps reflect on progress and stay authentic, leading to personal growth.

      Following your passion and making a change, even if it means starting over, can lead to significant growth and happiness. The speaker shared his experience of leaving a stable government job to pursue real estate investing, despite the initial setbacks. He emphasized the importance of documenting one's journey, as inspired by Gary Vaynerchuk, to reflect on progress and growth over time. The speaker also highlighted the significance of staying authentic and not getting too caught up in the momentary ups and downs of life. By documenting the good, the bad, and the ugly, one can gain a new perspective and appreciate the value of the experience as a whole.

    • Inviting influential speakers with limited fundsThrough determination and strong relationships, it's possible to achieve seemingly impossible goals despite financial constraints. Utilize your network and hustle to make things happen.

      With determination and strong relationships, it's possible to achieve seemingly impossible goals, even when faced with financial constraints. Brenton Hess, a real estate investor, shares his story of inviting motivational speaker Gary Vaynerchuk to speak at an event despite not having the funds. Instead of letting this obstacle deter him, Brenton utilized his network and hustled to find a way to make it happen. He bought 3,000 of Gary's books to secure his appearance, and even managed to book another influential speaker, David Osborne, before him. Despite the significant financial strain, they managed to come up with the remaining funds and successfully hosted the event. This experience highlights the importance of having a strong network and a relentless determination to make things happen, even when faced with challenges. It's a reminder that sometimes, you have to take a leap of faith and figure things out as you go along.

    • Making a Positive Impact in Real Estate InvestingSuccess in real estate investing involves making a positive impact on future generations and continuing to learn and grow through mentorship and community.

      Success in real estate investing is not a solitary journey, but rather an opportunity to give back and lift others up. The speaker, who is a successful investor, emphasizes the importance of mentoring and helping others, even as they continue to learn and grow themselves. He aspires to make a generational impact through real estate investing and believes that young investors have the potential to make an even bigger impact due to their greater time resource. However, he recognizes the need to control deal flow in order to scale up his business and make a larger impact. He is currently focusing on building out off-market lead generation and is inspired by other successful investors he has met through mentorship and podcasts. The key takeaway is that success in real estate investing is not just about personal gain, but also about making a positive impact on future generations and continuing to learn and grow through mentorship and community.

    • Making informed real estate decisions through financial analysisEvaluate interest rates for mortgage payments and renovation financing, prioritize debt based on rates, and consider population trends but make decisions based on individual circumstances.

      Financial analysis is crucial when making decisions in real estate. This was emphasized during a podcast conversation between Brent and Tim Gordon. They discussed various scenarios and gave advice based on interest rates and cash on cash returns. For instance, when deciding whether to pay off a mortgage on a rental property or your own home, evaluating the interest rate can help determine which debt to prioritize. Similarly, using credit cards for real estate renovations should be avoided if the interest rate is higher than other financing options. Additionally, investing in areas with declining populations should be approached with caution, but the decision ultimately depends on the specific numbers and circumstances. It's essential to remember that everyone's situation is unique, and advice should be given with care and consideration of individual resources, strengths, and knowledge. To avoid mistakes, learning from others' experiences through podcasts and seeking advice from experts can be valuable resources.

    • Learning from mentors is key to successSeek out mentors, learn from their experiences, and avoid reinventing the wheel. Read valuable resources like 'Millionaire Real Estate Investor' and 'How to Make Big Money in Small Apartments' to accelerate your learning.

      Success leaves clues, and learning from those who have achieved what we aspire to do can be more effective than trying to reinvent the wheel on our own. The speaker emphasized the importance of seeking out mentors and learning from their experiences, rather than being overly entrepreneurial and creative. He shared how he had made this mistake in the past, resulting in thousands of mailers and no deals. He also recommended several books, including "Millionaire Real Estate Investor" by Gary Keller and "How to Make Big Money in Small Apartments" by Lance Edwards, as valuable resources for real estate investors. Additionally, he highlighted the power of habits in shaping our lives and the potential impact we can have on future generations through our own habit changes. The speaker also mentioned his passion for sports and family, and encouraged listeners to find mentors and model their success. He also invited listeners to check out his community's events at gorecn.com and connect with him on Facebook or Instagram Messenger.

    • Bringing Awesome People Together for Real Estate GrowthSuccessful real estate investors emphasize the importance of networking and community building for continuous learning and growth.

      The Real Estate Wrecking Summit, originally intended for college-aged individuals, has evolved to welcome anyone interested in growing as a part of the real estate community. Brenton Hess, a young and successful real estate investor, emphasized the importance of bringing awesome people together to learn and grow. Josh Dorkin, the co-host of the Bigger Pockets podcast, shared the story of an unexpected encounter with a massive cow in a cemetery and his recent verification on Twitter. Despite the unusual events, the podcast remained focused on real estate and the importance of continuous learning and community building.

    • Brenton's Preferences and ExperiencesBrenton dislikes spicy food, enjoys Catan, can juggle, and wants to learn Spanish. He prefers his future wife having the better parts of him and values an investor-friendly real estate agent.

      During a random question session, Brenton shared some insights about his preferences and experiences. He revealed that he doesn't like spicy food but enjoys playing Catan, a board game about resource collection and settlement building. He also mentioned that he can juggle and expressed his desire to learn Spanish to better communicate with his family. Regarding trick-or-treating, Brenton suggested the concept of trunk or treat, where people give out candy from their car trunks, making it more convenient and efficient for children. When asked about cloning himself, Brenton expressed his preference for his future wife having the better parts of him instead. He also mentioned the importance of finding an investor-friendly real estate agent to help navigate the market and achieve financial freedom. Overall, the conversation provided a glimpse into Brenton's personality and interests while also touching on practical topics like board games, language learning, and real estate investing.

    • Approach podcast info with caution and critical mindsetInvestors should use podcast insights as a learning tool, but not rely solely on it for making decisions, conduct own research, consult experts, and consider risks.

      While listening to the BiggerPockets podcast can provide valuable insights and knowledge for real estate investors, it's important to remember that the information presented is not guaranteed and comes with no liability from BiggerPockets LLC. This means that investors should approach the information with a critical and informed mindset, and not rely solely on the podcast for making important investment decisions. Instead, they should conduct their own research, consult with experts, and consider various perspectives before making any moves in the real estate market. Additionally, it's essential to remember that investing always carries risks, and there are no guarantees of success. Therefore, it's crucial to be prepared for potential losses and have a solid financial plan in place. Overall, the podcast can be a helpful resource for learning about real estate investing, but investors should approach the information with caution and make informed decisions based on their own research and expertise.

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