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    315. The World is Not Ending | Bjørn Lomborg

    enDecember 19, 2022
    What religious metaphor influences young people's environmental perceptions?
    How does the speaker critique the view of human beings?
    What approach does the text propose for environmental solutions?
    Why is finding meaning in life important according to the text?
    What are the drawbacks of the de-growth strategy mentioned?

    • Religious Metaphor of Planet as Fragile and VirginalYoung people's perception of human-environment relationship is influenced by a religious metaphor that portrays the planet as fragile and human beings as destructive predators and parasites, overlooking positive aspects of culture and the individual.

      The way young people perceive the role of human beings in relationship to the environment is influenced by a religious metaphor that portrays the planet as fragile and virginal, with human beings as destructive predators and parasites. This metaphor, as explained by the speaker during his conversation with Dr. Bjorn Lomberg, is rooted in the fundamental cognitive categories of chaos and order, and is represented metaphorically with female and masculine symbols, respectively. While this story covers all domains of existence, it only presents half of the picture, as it overlooks the positive aspects of culture and the individual. This metaphor functions as a religion, focusing on the worship of nature, the derogation of culture, and the damnation of the individual. It's important to recognize and challenge this limiting perspective in order to promote a more balanced and nuanced understanding of the relationship between humans and the environment.

    • The power of stories and metaphors in shaping our perceptionRecognize progress, focus on improvements, and maintain a balanced perspective with data and objective information.

      Our perception of the world's state and the role of individual effort can be significantly influenced by the stories and metaphors we hold. While it's important to acknowledge the challenges we face, such as climate change and natural disasters, it's equally crucial to recognize the progress we've made. For instance, our ability to handle and mitigate disasters has led to a dramatic decrease in related deaths. Instead of viewing the world as despoiled, we should focus on the improvements and strive for further progress. The power of data and objective information can help us maintain a balanced perspective and make informed decisions. It's essential to remember that the world is not perfect but significantly better than it was in the past. By acknowledging this, we can approach problems with a more optimistic mindset and work towards sustainable solutions.

    • Acknowledging the good in nature and humanityDespite the threats and negatives, it's important to recognize the progress and positivity in nature and humanity. We should strive to address challenges in a thoughtful manner, recognizing the potential for good as well as bad.

      While it's important to acknowledge the threatening aspects of nature and the potential negatives in human culture and individuals, it's also crucial to recognize the progress and positivity we've made. Nature is both benevolent and malevolent, and culture and individuals have the capacity for good and bad. The apocalyptic view of the world is not necessarily accurate or productive. Instead, we should acknowledge the challenges we face and strive to address them in a thoughtful and non-panicked manner. The world has improved significantly over time, and we've made progress in making it safer for us. This perspective, which can be seen as a blend of Hobbes and Rousseau, offers a more balanced and nuanced view of the world.

    • Perspective of nature and our role in itTechnological advancements make nature seem less destructive and social pressures fuel apocalyptic narratives, but it's crucial to acknowledge progress and continue solving challenges

      The current perspective of viewing nature as a benevolent force and our place in it as saviors is a result of both technological progress and social pressures. Technological advancements have allowed us to tackle issues like smallpox and hunger more effectively, making nature seem less destructive. Social pressures, such as the intense competition for attention online, make apocalyptic narratives more appealing as they are attention-grabbing. Furthermore, the incredible progress made in lifting people out of poverty over the last 25 years, which has impacted billions of lives, often goes unnoticed due to its lack of novelty. Instead of focusing solely on the apocalyptic aspects of the world, it's essential to recognize the progress made and continue working towards solving the remaining challenges.

    • The negative impact of negative messaging on young peopleYoung people are drawn to simplistic, apocalyptic messages about climate change, but focusing solely on the end-of-the-world narrative can lead to poor decision-making. Encourage meaningful action, but also ensure a balanced perspective.

      The negative has a greater impact on us psychologically than the positive, making it challenging to emphasize the positive in the face of negative issues. Young people, particularly those between the ages of 16 and 21, are in a developmental stage where they seek to establish their identity and find a broader social mission. Radical leftists on the environmental side have effectively capitalized on this urge by offering a simplistic, apocalyptic message that can be attractive but also has a destructive anti-human element. It's crucial to recognize that while it's essential for young people to want to do good, focusing solely on the end-of-the-world narrative can lead to poor decision-making. Climate change is a problem that requires our attention and action, but it's not the end of the world. We should encourage young people to help in meaningful ways, but also ensure they have a balanced perspective.

    • Recognizing the complexity of issues and solutionsAcknowledging the complexity of issues and solutions is crucial for effective decision-making and impactful actions, rather than focusing solely on one problem or appealing to moral superiority.

      Focusing on a single issue, such as climate change, as the only problem can lead to poor decision-making and inefficient solutions. Instead, it's essential to understand the complexity of the challenges we face and recognize that most proposed solutions are only a small fraction of what's needed. Moreover, the appeal to young people to become climate change activists as a shortcut to moral superiority can be misleading, as it doesn't require the real effort and responsibility needed to make a significant impact. Instead, we should acknowledge the complexity of the issues and work towards practical, effective solutions.

    • The simplistic view of environmental issuesFocusing on economic security and education leads to effective environmental solutions, rather than oversimplifying issues as solely caused by human villainy or an intrinsically valuable untouched nature.

      The simplistic view of environmental issues as solely caused by human villainy and the belief in an intrinsically valuable untouched nature can be dangerous and counterproductive. Instead, focusing on making people economically secure and educating them about the environment can lead to more effective solutions. The complexities of environmental issues require hard work and dedication, rather than instant virtue signaling. The history of the Green Revolution demonstrates that technological advancements and scientific research can increase food production and alleviate poverty, ultimately leading to environmental awareness and sustainability.

    • The power of scientific innovation to solve global issuesScientific innovation and progress can prevent mass starvation and create a sustainable future, rather than accepting population growth and resource scarcity as insurmountable problems.

      The solution to global issues, such as population growth and food production, lies in scientific innovation and progress, rather than accepting the notion that certain groups should suffer or die for the greater good. The story of Norman Borlaug, a Nobel Prize-winning agricultural scientist, illustrates this point. Borlaug's work in developing high-yielding wheat varieties helped prevent mass starvation and turned India into the world's leading rice exporter. This approach is more effective and meaningful than the Malthusian perspective, which suggests population growth and resource scarcity are insurmountable problems. Instead, we should focus on making food production more efficient and accessible to all, allowing for a sustainable and prosperous future for everyone. This requires dedication and hard work, but the rewards are significant. As Borlaug himself said, "Don't you want to devote your life to the solution of some genuinely difficult problem? That's where you're going to find meaning."

    • Historically, technology has solved complex environmental problemsTechnological advancements and innovations are more effective than personal restrictions or limitations in addressing environmental challenges

      Technology, not good intentions or restrictions, has historically been the key to solving complex problems, such as climate change and over-reliance on resources like whale oil. The discovery of oil as a substitute, for example, led to the decline of whale hunting. Similarly, the invention of the automobile helped address the issue of urban congestion and manure. While some may suggest limiting personal needs or behaviors to reduce environmental impact, determining needs and who gets to have them can be problematic and potentially divisive. Instead, focusing on technological advancements and innovations is a more effective approach to addressing environmental challenges.

    • True wealth goes beyond material possessionsFocus on providing essentials like temperature regulation, clean water, food, education, and health for everyone, rather than enforcing degrowth or limiting consumption.

      True wealth goes beyond material possessions and includes essentials like temperature regulation, access to clean water and food, and opportunities for education and health for children. The focus should be on providing these basics to everyone in the world, rather than attempting to make everyone poor or limiting consumption. Instead, innovation and the development of sustainable technologies are key to addressing global issues like carbon emissions. The idea of enforcing degrowth, which involves limiting consumption and population growth, is not a practical or desirable solution due to its potential for totalitarianism and lack of political support. Instead, a more effective approach is to offer alternatives that are both cheaper and more sustainable.

    • De-growth strategy: A flawed approach to addressing climate changeThe de-growth strategy, which aims to make people poor and rely on unreliable renewable energy, leads to economic losses, higher energy prices, and a reliance on less sustainable energy sources. Instead, focus on smart technologies and innovations to effectively address climate change and other environmental concerns.

      The de-growth strategy, which involves making people poor and relying heavily on unreliable renewable energy sources, is not a sustainable solution for addressing climate change or improving environmental conditions. This approach, as seen in Germany's experience, can lead to increased industrial productivity losses, higher energy prices, and a reliance on less sustainable energy sources like coal. Moreover, it's important to distinguish between climate change and other environmental issues, as de-growth may help with the former but worsen the latter. Instead, the focus should be on developing smart technologies and innovations that can effectively address both climate change and other environmental concerns without causing widespread economic hardship or tyrannical centralized decision-making.

    • The idea of a population crisis leading to an apocalyptic end is not scientifically provenEconomists' perspective emphasizes human ingenuity and potential for continuous improvement, offering a more promising outlook for the future

      The idea of a population crisis leading to an apocalyptic end is not supported by scientific evidence. The world is not a closed petri dish, and human beings are not single-celled organisms. Instead, humans have the ability to think, react, and modify their environment and themselves. Economists have consistently proven this through their predictions, contrasting with the Malthusian views of biologists. The economists' perspective, which emphasizes human ingenuity and the potential for continuous improvement, is more accurate and offers a more promising outlook for the future. It's essential to remember that the work towards a better world is not limited to a select few, but requires the involvement of everyone. The conversation is an opportunity to encourage and inspire people to contribute to this long-term battle for a more benevolent planet. And, as a reminder, no one is 100% wrong, but the evidence supports the economic perspective.

    • Learning from natural systems but recognizing human uniquenessHumans can control populations and progress as a species through abstract thinking and open dialogue, making biological population control models less applicable.

      While we can learn from natural systems and the behaviors of organisms like foxes and rabbits, humans are unique in our ability to think ahead, plan, and engage in critical dialogue. This cognitive transformation allows us to test ideas, refine them, and implement only the productive ones, effectively substituting real deaths with virtual ones. This capacity for abstract thinking and open dialogue enables us to control our populations and progress as a species, making the biological model of population control less applicable to humans. The biological metaphors of mold, cancer, or viruses do not accurately represent us. Instead, we should embrace our unique human abilities and continue to engage in thoughtful conversations and critical thinking to shape our future.

    • Historically, environmental problems increase then decrease with economic growthFocusing on lifting people out of poverty leads to addressing environmental concerns, shown in the inverse Kuznets curve

      Economic growth and environmental sustainability are not mutually exclusive. Historically, as countries become wealthier, they initially experience an increase in environmental problems. However, once basic needs are met, people begin to prioritize environmental concerns. The solution is to focus on lifting as many people out of poverty as possible by providing them with access to cheap energy, food, security, and opportunities. This will lead to more individuals taking a longer-term view and addressing environmental issues. The inverse Kuznets curve illustrates this trend, showing that environmental problems increase during the early stages of industrialization but decrease as countries become wealthier. It's crucial to remember that developing countries will not accept being kept poor for the sake of the environment. Additionally, indoor air pollution from cooking with low-quality fuels is a significant issue for billions of people, causing health problems equivalent to smoking two packs of cigarettes every day. Therefore, addressing poverty and providing access to clean energy are essential steps towards both economic growth and environmental sustainability.

    • Focusing on 'low-hanging fruit' issues can significantly improve economic and environmental conditionsSolving simple, cost-effective problems like improving education for 80% of enrolled children can bring immense benefits and move us towards a more equitable world.

      There are numerous issues plaguing the world, but focusing on the "low-hanging fruit" - problems with relatively simple, cost-effective solutions - can significantly improve economic and environmental conditions for billions of people. Education, for instance, is a crucial area where progress can be made. Despite more than 650 million children in the lower income and lower middle income countries being enrolled in school, 80% of them cannot read or do basic math. Solving this issue, which is essential for economic development, would bring immense benefits to these populations and move us closer to a more equitable and prosperous world.

    • Innovative solutions like personalized learning through tablets can improve learning outcomesPersonalized learning through tablets can help students learn three times as much in one hour a day by targeting their individual zone of proximal development, making education more effective and inclusive.

      Traditional methods of education, such as building more schools and hiring more teachers, may not significantly improve learning outcomes for large classes of students with varying abilities in developing countries. Instead, innovative solutions like personalized learning through tablets can help students learn three times as much in just one hour a day by targeting their individual zone of proximal development. This approach is crucial as literacy and basic numeracy are essential for economic growth and opportunity. The use of technology in education can be an efficient and cost-effective way to address this challenge. The concept of the zone of proximal development, first introduced by psychologist Lev Vygotsky, emphasizes that learning occurs best when material is presented at a level slightly beyond a student's current comprehension. By finding and addressing each student's unique learning needs, we can create a more effective and inclusive educational environment.

    • Investing in education and nutrition for pregnant women and infantsEvery dollar invested generates $54 in long-term benefits, improving human flourishing and environmental sustainability in developing countries

      Investing in affordable and effective education and nutrition for pregnant women and infants in developing countries can lead to significant long-term benefits, both for individual human flourishing and environmental sustainability. This includes providing tablets for education, ensuring their safety through secure storage and solar charging, and expanding nutritional aid through micronutrient pills for pregnant women. While there are costs involved, the potential social good returned is substantial, with every dollar invested generating approximately $54 in long-term benefits. This is a simple yet effective solution to address pressing issues, and it's crucial to focus on these solutions before tackling more complex problems. The impact on these countries will be transformative, making them better off in the long run.

    • Focusing on practical solutions for children's education and nutrition$140 million can help 50 million children have better opportunities, leading to improved education, longer schooling, and increased productivity, benefiting both individuals and their economies.

      Instead of focusing on apocalyptic views of the world and individual moral virtue through climate change, we should focus on practical solutions to real problems. One such area is improving the lives of poor children through education and nutrition. For around $140 million, we could help 50 million children have better chances in life, leading to improved school performance, longer education, and increased productivity. This investment would not only benefit the individuals but also their countries economically. It's a simple, effective, and well-documented way to create positive change. We should shift our focus from fear and despair to action and impact.

    • Embracing a Mature and Integrated VisionBy focusing on generating and testing new ideas, we can lift people out of poverty and create a more sustainable world, while finding meaning and purpose in life is essential for productivity and social responsibility.

      Despite the challenges we face as a society, including poverty and environmental issues, we have the intelligence and resources to find solutions. The long-term approach involves hard work and continuous learning, as demonstrated by figures like Norman Borlaug. Instead of giving in to fear and apocalyptic pessimism, we should encourage young people to participate in creating a better world for people and nature. The biological model of human existence, which focuses on generating and testing new ideas, has proven effective in many parts of the world with freedom of expression and thought. By shedding pessimism and embracing a mature and integrated vision of the economy and the environment, we can lift people out of poverty and create a more sustainable world. Additionally, finding meaning and purpose in life is essential for productivity and social responsibility. Engaging in something meaningful can motivate individuals to get out of bed in the morning and contribute to society in a positive way.

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    “The Queering of the American Child: How a New School Religious Cult Poisons the Minds and Bodies of Normal Kids” (Book) https://www.amazon.com/Queering-American-Child-Religious-Poisons/dp/B0CSP4L1T9/ref=pd_lpo_sccl_1/138-3764402-1287437?pd_rd_w=J1eG0&content-id=amzn1.sym.4c8c52db-06f8-4e42-8e56-912796f2ea6c&pf_rd_p=4c8c52db-06f8-4e42-8e56-912796f2ea6c&pf_rd_r=FF9ME2FMJZ7DHXP3T72Z&pd_rd_wg=7dgdC&pd_rd_r=592af638-8ca4-4007-9820-2d0249e0e34c&pd_rd_i=B0CSP4L1T9&psc=1

     

    “THE WOKE WARPATH: How Marxists Use Race and Gender to Break America” (Book)

    https://www.amazon.com/WOKE-WARPATH-Marxists-Gender-America/dp/B09WYVZFJ8 

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