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    #377 — The Future of Psychedelic Medicine 2

    enJuly 26, 2024
    What are the recent developments in MDMA research for PTSD?
    How does the FDA's decision impact MDMA-assisted therapy?
    What challenges exist in conducting research on psychedelics?
    Why is ethical conduct crucial in psychedelic therapy?
    What potential benefits does MDMA offer PTSD patients?

    Podcast Summary

    • MDMA for PTSD treatmentMDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD is at a critical juncture with the FDA making a decision, despite challenges such as funding issues, allegations of therapist misconduct, and the importance of understanding therapeutic models and potential risks.

      Psychedelic research, specifically the use of MDMA for PTSD treatment, is at a critical juncture. Doctors Jennifer Mitchell and Sara Bedi, with their diverse backgrounds in neuroscience, emergency medicine, and psychedelic facilitation, discussed the recent developments and challenges in this field. They highlighted the history of research, including the war on drugs and funding issues, and the potential of MDMA as a promising treatment for PTSD. However, they also addressed the challenges of conducting research, allegations of therapist misconduct, and the importance of understanding the therapeutic models and potential risks. As the FDA is making a decision on MDMA-assisted therapy, the role of psychedelic therapists and policy change to expand funding for mental health research are crucial. The speakers also touched on the concept of psychoneuroimmunology and the so-called non-psychedelic psychedelics. Overall, the conversation emphasized the importance of continued research and funding to explore the potential benefits and risks of psychedelics in mental health treatment.

    • MDMA and PTSD researchMDMA shows promising results in treating PTSD with approximately 70% of participants losing their diagnosis, but regulatory bodies are hesitant due to concerns about efficacy and safety

      The history of psychedelic research involves a long eclipse due to the counter cultural association with these substances and subsequent government regulations. However, recent years have seen a resurgence of interest and research, particularly in the use of MDMA for treating PTSD. The results from clinical trials have shown promising outcomes, with approximately 70% of participants losing their diagnosis of PTSD. Despite this exciting progress, there has been pushback from regulatory bodies, such as the FDA, who are not yet convinced of the efficacy and safety of MDMA for PTSD treatment. The ongoing debate highlights the need for more research and dialogue to understand the potential benefits and risks of these substances in therapeutic contexts.

    • MDMA-assisted therapy blinding concernsDespite a recent setback in FDA approval for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD due to blinding issues and allegations of therapist misconduct, there's a need to evolve current institutions to meet the demands of mental health patients and ensure the safety and efficacy of innovative treatments

      The recent advisory committee meeting regarding MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD did not result in an FDA approval, but rather raised concerns about the study design, specifically the issue of blinding. The powerful effects of psychedelics make it challenging to maintain blindness in clinical trials. Additionally, allegations of therapist misconduct from past studies were brought up during the meeting, but it's important to note that therapy is not under the FDA's jurisdiction. The discussion underscores the need for a new therapeutic model with psychedelics, which may require evolving current institutions to meet the demands of those suffering from mental health conditions, particularly PTSD. With approximately 1 in 5 Americans living with some form of mental health illness, the desire for alternative treatments is growing. MDMA, as a potential first new treatment in around 25 years, highlights the importance of addressing these challenges and ensuring the safety and efficacy of these innovative therapies.

    • Psychedelic standardization and protocolsCritics question the FDA's ability to fully understand and regulate psychedelic treatments due to lack of expertise, while researchers advocate for a thoughtful, complex approach that emphasizes interconnectedness and holistic treatment.

      The ongoing research into psychedelic medicines raises questions about the need for standardization and protocols in the therapeutic aspect of these treatments. Critics argue that the FDA, which regulates medications, may not fully understand all aspects of psychedelic treatment due to a lack of expertise in this area. Researchers believe that the complex history and scrutiny faced by these medicines warrant a thoughtful and careful approach. The challenge of double-blinding in psychedelic research also highlights the limitations of the current research model, which may not fit well with the complex and dynamic nature of psychedelic treatments. A systems thinking approach, which emphasizes the interconnectedness of human health and ecosystem, could offer a more comprehensive framework for understanding these treatments. The integration of therapy and medicine in psychedelic treatment also emphasizes an holistic approach that doesn't align well with traditional rigid protocols of clinical trials. Ultimately, the evolution of research methods to capture the full complexity of psychedelic treatments is necessary for their effective and safe use.

    • Psychedelic therapy coverageInsurance companies prioritize treatments with measurable outcomes, making it difficult for psychedelic therapy to gain widespread coverage despite its potential for profound changes in thinking, feeling, and perception.

      Our current model for measuring success and well-being may not fully capture the complexities of whole person dynamics, particularly when it comes to psychedelic therapy. Psychedelics like MDMA and psilocybin offer punctate experiences that can lead to profound changes in thinking, feeling, and perception about oneself and the world. These experiences can open new doors in the mind, even if the ongoing character of one's experience doesn't change significantly. However, insurance companies prioritize treatments with measurable outcomes and clear, quantifiable benefits that align with traditional medical criteria. This may make it difficult for psychedelic therapy to gain widespread coverage. The idea of non-psychedelic psychedelics, or psychoplastogens, is being explored to potentially address some of these challenges. Additionally, these substances may offer an intrinsically regenerative action, but there is a risk of false insights or beliefs. It's important to continue investigating this new paradigm and understanding its potential benefits and limitations. Furthermore, this approach to mental health allows individuals to have more agency in their own healing process, examining and challenging maladaptive beliefs that may no longer serve them.

    • Holistic approach to mental health treatmentThe use of psychedelics in mental health treatment requires a more holistic approach, emphasizing the interconnectedness of physical, emotional, and mental health, and extensive integration work. Disparities in access to resources and care, particularly for marginalized communities, must be addressed.

      The use of psychedelics in mental health treatment challenges the traditional biomedical model of diagnosis and treatment. Instead, it emphasizes the interconnectedness of physical, emotional, and mental health, requiring a more holistic approach and extensive integration work. This raises concerns about disparities in access to resources and care, particularly for those from marginalized communities. The therapeutic potential of these compounds is significant, but their impact on individuals' lives can be profound and unpredictable, necessitating careful consideration and adequate support structures. The shift towards this new paradigm of patient-centered, personalized care requires a reevaluation of current clinical practices and the development of new frameworks and safeguards.

    • MDMA-assisted PTSD therapyThe FDA's ruling on MDMA-assisted therapy is crucial, understanding potential benefits and challenges is essential, REMS could ensure data collection on adverse events, patient perspective offers life-saving benefits, including experts, interdisciplinary research, and expanded access programs are necessary steps.

      The therapeutic use of MDMA, particularly in the context of PTSD treatment, is a complex and nonlinear process. Patients may initially appear to improve on standard scales, but newfound awareness and previously unconscious memories can lead to new distress. The FDA's upcoming ruling on MDMA-assisted therapy is significant, and it's crucial that policymakers understand the potential benefits and challenges. A risk evaluation and mitigation strategy (REMS) could be a useful solution to enable regulatory approval and ensure data collection on adverse events. From a patient perspective, the potential life-saving benefits for veterans and others with PTSD cannot be ignored. Including subject matter experts on the review committee, encouraging interdisciplinary research, and considering expanded access programs are essential steps to make this therapy available to those who need it most. The right to try, especially for veterans, should also be a part of the conversation. The focus on veterans in this research offers hope that we're moving beyond the war on drugs mentality and addressing human suffering ethically.

    • Ethical boundaries in psychedelic researchClear ethical guidelines, therapist training, and reporting mechanisms are essential to prevent sexual abuse and ensure a safe therapeutic environment in psychedelic research.

      The psychedelic research community must address the issue of ethical boundaries and prevent sexual abuse within the field. This issue was highlighted during a committee meeting, and it's essential to acknowledge and discuss it openly. The vulnerability created during therapy sessions, especially those involving psychedelics, can make participants more susceptible to manipulation and boundary violations. To prevent such harms, clear ethical guidelines and protocols are needed, along with rigorous training for therapists on sexual abuse and trauma-informed care. Additionally, accountability and reporting mechanisms are crucial to ensure that patients feel safe and supported in coming forward if they experience abuse. The goal is to bring this work above ground, where it can be regulated and professionalized, allowing for the creation of a safe and effective therapeutic environment for all involved.

    • Mental Health TrainingEffective mental health training includes case studies, role-play, open inquiry, supervision, continued education, reflection, and learning from experienced professionals. Funding is crucial for advancing research and providing help to those in need.

      Effective training programs are crucial for addressing the complexities and potential false insights in the field of mental health. These programs should incorporate case studies, role-play, and open inquiry, with supervision and continued education playing key roles. Reflection and learning from experienced professionals are essential for growth in this field. Additionally, funding is a significant factor in advancing research and providing necessary help to those in need. The speakers encourage listeners to join their mission and contribute to the exploration of innovative ways to address these challenges. The FDA's decision next month is a significant step forward, and they hope it will be guided by data and a commitment to understanding the complexities of mental health.

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