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    4 - Inside ESG: Sustainable finance and the threat to divest

    enOctober 20, 2021

    Podcast Summary

    • Balancing Ethical Considerations and Financial ReturnsThe California State Teachers' Retirement Fund prioritizes ethical considerations, but also considers financial returns when making investment decisions.

      The world of ethical and sustainable investing is not always black and white. Emotions can play a significant role in investment decisions, especially when it comes to engaging with companies versus divesting. The California State Teachers' Retirement Fund (CalSTRS) faced this dilemma when deciding whether to continue holding investments in controversial industries, such as energy, oil and gas, and prison companies. The debate continues on what constitutes proper ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) investing, with some focusing on risk mitigation and others on engagement and pushing for change from within. It's essential for investors to understand what their retirement savings are invested in and align their values with their investments. The California State Teachers' Retirement Fund prioritizes respect for human rights, civil liberties, and cultural and ethnic identities. The ongoing challenge is finding the balance between ethical considerations and financial returns.

    • CalSTRS' investments in private prison companies under scrutinyESG factors can impact long-term profitability and investments, ignoring them may lead to public outrage and pressure to divest.

      Companies' actions regarding Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) factors can significantly impact their long-term profitability and, by extension, the value of investments in those companies. The 2016 election of President Trump and subsequent immigration policies led to public outrage and scrutiny of CalSTRS' investments in private prison companies, CoreCivic and GEO Group, which operated immigration detention centers. These investments were passive and not a conscious decision by CalSTRS. However, the separation of families at the border and the conditions in the detention centers sparked moral and ethical concerns among teachers who were invested in CalSTRS. As a result, there was significant pressure on the fund to divest from these companies. This incident underscores the importance of considering ESG factors in investment decisions and the potential consequences of not doing so.

    • CalSTRS' Decision to Divest from Private Prisons: A Complex IssueCalSTRS had to weigh human rights concerns, public perception, and potential benefits before making a decision to divest from private prisons, emphasizing the complexity of ethical investing.

      The decision for an institutional investor like CalSTRS to divest from companies, such as Geo Group and CoreCivic, is not a simple black and white issue. The engagement process revealed many shades of gray, making it a split decision. While concerns regarding human rights violations and public perception were valid, the potential benefits, like providing essential services to detainees, added complexity. As fiduciaries, CalSTRS board members had to make an emotionally detached decision. The lengthy board meeting on November 7, 2018, showcased the complexity of the issue, with strong opinions from various stakeholders. Ultimately, the decision to sell or hold requires a thorough evaluation of the situation, considering both the ethical and financial implications.

    • CalSTRS board's close call on divesting from private prison companiesCalSTRS board voted to divest from CoreCivic and GEO Group due to differing opinions on fiduciary duty, potential influence, and moral obligations. The decision marked a significant step in socially responsible investing.

      The CalSTRS board, during a contentious debate in 2018, voted to divest from private prison companies CoreCivic and GEO Group by a narrow margin. The decision was based on differing opinions regarding the board's fiduciary duty, potential influence, and moral obligations. Some board members believed that divestment did not align with their risk factors and could hinder their ability to effect change. Others felt strongly that selling their shares was a moral imperative due to concerns about the treatment of detainees and the industry's reliance on government policy. Ultimately, the board's decision to divest was a close call, but it marked a significant step in the ongoing debate about the role of socially responsible investing in addressing complex social issues. Since the vote, it's worth noting that the financial impact on the private prison companies has been minimal, but the ripple effects of this decision continue to be felt and discussed in the investment community.

    • Private prison industry facing increasing pressure leads to higher borrowing costs for CoreCivicInvestors demand higher yields due to reputation risk and changing political climate in private prison industry, leading to increased borrowing costs for companies like CoreCivic.

      CoreCivic's borrowing costs have significantly increased since the call for divestment from private prison companies due to growing reputation risk and changing political climate. The private prison industry is facing increasing pressure from investors, campaign groups, and governments to end their reliance on these companies. As a result, investors demand higher yields to reflect the increased risk. CoreCivic, for its part, has defended its practices and published an ESG report. However, the trend suggests that the threat of divestment may be a necessary part of long-term ESG investing strategies. Companies in industries under scrutiny for ethical concerns may face financial consequences if they fail to address these issues. Engagement and constructive dialogue with companies can be a viable alternative to divestment, but investors must be prepared for the possibility of divestment as part of their long-term strategy.

    • Investors under pressure to be more active on ESG issuesRegulators crack down on greenwashing, investors demand clear targets and results, companies that fail to meet expectations risk losing clients, ESG issues require active engagement, passive investing alone may not be enough, active engagement and passive investing can complement each other in driving positive change.

      Institutional investors, such as BlackRock, are under increasing pressure to take a more active role in engaging with companies on Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) issues, rather than just passively investing. Regulators are cracking down on greenwashing, or false claims of sustainability, and investors are demanding clear targets and results. Companies that fail to meet these expectations risk losing clients to competitors. ESG issues, such as climate change and diversity, require active engagement from investors to bring about change. Passive investing alone may not be enough to make a meaningful impact. The debate around the role of ESG in the investment and corporate world continues, with some arguing it's a necessary force for good and others viewing it as a fad. However, it's important to recognize that it's not an either/or situation. Active engagement and passive investing can complement each other in driving positive change. Sources: - Joe Rennison, Financial Times - Patrick Temple-West, Financial Times - Lindsay Frost, Agenda, a Financial Times specialist publication - Attracta Mooney, Financial Times For more insights on ESG and its impact on the investment and corporate world, check out the articles by these authors linked in the show notes.

    • Learn more about ESG investing from Feet's Moral Money teamESG investing considers a company's impact on the environment, society, and governance practices, not just financial performance.

      ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) investing is an increasingly popular way for individuals to align their financial investments with their values. This approach considers not just the financial performance of a company, but also its impact on the environment, society, and governance practices. You can learn more about ESG investing from Feet's Moral Money team at ft.com/moralmoney. If you're a podcast listener, sign up for a free 30-day subscription to Feet's premium moral money newsletter for access to their website. And if you're enjoying this ESG series, please leave a positive review to help spread the word. Meanwhile, if you're looking for flexibility in other areas of your life, consider UnitedHealthcare Insurance Plans. They offer flexible, budget-friendly medical, dental, and vision coverage. And for those who love giving gifts, check out celebrations passport from 1800flowers.com. With free shipping on thousands of gifts and rewards for frequent purchases, it's a great way to take your gift-giving to the next level. This podcast is produced by Oluwakemi Aladesui, with additional support from Alice Fordham and Josh Gebert Dwayon. Our sound engineer is Breen Turner, and we have editorial direction from Rene Kaplan and head of audio Cheryl Brumley. I'm Manuela Zaragoza. Catch up with me next time.

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