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    501. The University of Impossible-to-Get-Into

    en-usApril 28, 2022

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    • The Operation Varsity Blues Scandal and Its Impact on the U.S. Educational LandscapeThe college admissions scandal exposed the desperation of wealthy parents to secure spots at prestigious universities, highlighting the scarcity of slots at elite schools and the two main categories of higher education institutions. The pandemic worsened the decline of less-selective universities and community colleges.

      The Operation Varsity Blues scandal exposed the extent of wealthy parents' desperation to secure their children's admission into prestigious colleges, revealing that slots at these top schools are incredibly scarce and valuable. The scandal uncovered instances of fake test scores, athletic credentials, and cash payments to college coaches detailed in a Department of Justice investigation. The scandal also highlighted the two distinct categories of higher learning institutions in the U.S.- open enrollment and competitive models. The latter includes elite schools such as Stanford, Yale, Georgetown, and Ivy League schools, which are increasingly dominant in the current educational landscape. The pandemic has further exacerbated the decline in less-selective universities and community colleges.

    • The Popularity and Appeal of Elite UniversitiesElite universities are sought after for their reputation and exclusivity, but increasing accessibility to higher education is important for personal growth and societal contribution.

      Elite universities have set new records for applications and charge high tuition, but their appeal lies in their tiny admittance numbers and reputation. However, increasing the supply could be a viable solution. Going to college is among the best things one can do to improve their life. Education is not just about financial gains but also about preparing for citizenship and contributing to broader society. Selective colleges have a unique American model and their popularity lies in their brand value.

    • Top Universities Prioritize Exclusivity Over ExpansionIvy League schools and top universities prioritize their reputation and exclusivity over expanding their reach, making them a status symbol and driving demand for their programs, but this may shift as the role of education as a status symbol changes.

      Despite the increasing demand for college education over the past several decades, the expansion of top-tier universities has remained stagnant. While most schools have been expanding, the Ivy League, Stanford, Chicago, and MIT have not. This is surprising since in most industries, even the best would want to expand to gain more market share. The reason behind this trend is that these schools prioritize exclusivity and selectivity in the admissions process, which they believe adds to their reputation. As a result, these schools have become a status symbol and are perceived as being more prestigious, which further drives demand for their programs. With some organizations no longer requiring college degrees, the role of education as a status symbol may shift in the future.

    • Why Elite Universities have not Expanded and its ConsequencesElite universities have not expanded since the 1970s, leading to more competition for admission and decreasing admission rates. Despite growing demand, the schools have not increased their supply, and maintaining quality, physical space, and financial resources may not be the only factors at play.

      The fact that elite universities have not expanded has led to increasing competition for admission and decreasing admission rates. Despite growing demand, elite institutions have stopped expanding since the 1970s, which has created a modern phenomenon of highly selective schools. While students applying to more schools is a factor, it is a function of the capped number of spaces at these elite institutions. Theoretically, theories around maintaining quality (students and faculty), lack of physical space, and financial resources do not hold up. The puzzle as to why elite colleges have not expanded supply remains unsolved.

    • The Power of Scarcity and Prestige in Luxury Goods and Elite EducationScarcity and prestige, rather than inherent quality, drive the value of luxury goods and elite education. Removing the prestige factor in the admissions process of elite universities would increase admissions and soften competition.

      In the market for luxury goods, scarcity itself confers value on the object, creating a sense of exclusivity and prestige. Similarly, elite universities are in competition for prestige, which is measured by their selectivity relative to their peer institutions. An economic model showed that if prestige were removed as a factor in the admissions process, elite schools would admit more people and competition would soften. This suggests that a perception of exclusivity drives the value of luxury goods and elite education, rather than inherent quality. The appeal of scarcity and prestige is a powerful force in shaping consumer behavior.

    • The Obsession with Exclusivity in Higher EducationSociety's focus on prestige and university rankings has led to an obsession with exclusivity in higher education, but only a small number of institutions are truly global name brands. It's time to prioritize accessibility over exclusivity.

      The obsession with exclusivity in higher education is driven by a societal celebration of prestige and a desire for relative comparisons in university rankings. The U.S. News & World Report's ranking system has influenced elite colleges to become more selective, which has ultimately resulted in the celebration of absurdly low admissions rates. This desire for exclusivity isn't just limited to university administrators and alumni, but is also shared by parents and students. The model developed by Peter Blair highlights this human instinct and reveals that only about 150 institutions out of the 4,000 colleges and universities are true global name brands. As a society, we need to reconsider the importance we place on exclusivity and instead focus on making higher education accessible to all.

    • The Problem with Expanding Elite UniversitiesExpanding highly selective universities in the US would have little impact, while expanding similar universities in Australia risks diluting their brand. Instead, universities should prioritize maintaining quality education and degrees.

      A small percentage of highly selective, heavily resourced private universities enroll only 1% of the undergraduate population, while a similar group of eight universities in Australia educate a quarter of the country's students and half of its doctors and dentists. The idea that these elite American schools should expand to accommodate more students is problematic, as increasing enrollment by even 80,000 in a pool of 17 million would have little impact. Additionally, establishing satellite campuses in foreign countries for financial gain risks diluting the value of a university's brand. Overall, instead of focusing on expansion, universities should prioritize maintaining the quality of their education and degrees.

    • Opening Elite Universities in Deserving Low-Income CountriesElite universities should consider opening campuses in low-income countries rather than focusing on wealthy countries. Reputation is crucial for students, but scarcity and prestige should not outweigh the importance of accessibility and impact. An international agreement similar to the Paris Accords could be a solution.

      Elite universities are opening up campuses in wealthy countries, but they could benefit more from opening in deserving low-income countries instead. The university system operates more like a luxury goods market, with scarcity and prestige being important factors. College education is a once-in-a-lifetime purchase, so reputation is a crucial factor for students in their decision-making process. However, it's difficult to empirically determine how much reputation matters. Economists suggest that a solution to the elite-university problem could be similar to the Paris Accords on climate change.

    • Prioritizing Prestige: The Value of Brand Name EducationAttending an Ivy League school comes with connections and status but the decision to attend should ultimately be based on personal goals and priorities, as college provides opportunities beyond just knowledge acquisition.

      While some students at Ivy League schools value the education they receive, the majority prioritize the prestige of the brand name attached to their degree. The connections and status that come with attending such a prestigious institution are often considered worth the high cost of tuition. However, it's important to note that college offers more than just knowledge acquisition; it provides opportunities for creating lifelong networks and taking advantage of peer effects. Ultimately, the decision to attend an Ivy League school should be based on individual priorities and goals.

    • The Value and Validity of a College DegreeWhile a college degree is often seen as a social status symbol, it can also provide valuable experiences and opportunities. However, it is important to consider the individual's underlying qualities and motivation when evaluating their success.

      A college degree has become a social signal, indicating that the recipient is worth hiring, being friends with, or even being intimidated by. This has resulted in credential inflation, making it imperative for job-seekers to obtain higher qualifications. However, according to economist Bryan Caplan, a college degree is primarily a means of increasing the recipient's social status. But the president of Northwestern University, Morty Schapiro, disagrees, saying that there is a lot of value in the college experience that goes beyond signaling. Furthermore, he argues that prestigious colleges offer more benefits to their students. However, it is difficult to determine how much of a student’s success is due to their college experience versus their underlying smarts and motivation.

    • Selective Colleges and Lifetime Earnings: Is There a Correlation?Attending a more elite school doesn't always guarantee higher lifetime earnings for everyone. Instead, it may depend on certain factors such as ethnicity and socioeconomic status, which should be considered when making college decisions.

      Attending a more selective college doesn't necessarily lead to higher lifetime earnings for everyone, according to a study by Stacy Berg Dale and Alan Krueger. The study found that while there was a correlation between attending a more elite school and higher wages, this wasn't necessarily the result of the school itself. The correlation was broken down by comparing students who got into the same schools but ended up attending different ones. The researchers did find, however, that attending more elite schools could lead to wage benefits for certain subgroups, particularly for people of color and first-generation students.

    • Balancing Research and Teaching in Elite UniversitiesWhile top schools may prioritize research and reputation, non-tenure track professors may provide better instruction for advanced courses. Balancing research and teaching is crucial to provide the best education for students.

      Elite universities may prioritize research over classroom instruction, leading to a potential tradeoff between producing great research and providing good teaching for students. Top schools may value reputation and prestige over actual quality of instruction, with faculty research output being a factor in faculty selection. However, students may actually perform better in advanced courses when taught by non-tenure track professors. The preservation of elite status can be viewed as both selfish and noble - while it may enable access to resources and talent, it may also contribute to exclusivity and a lack of diversity. Ultimately, the balance between research and teaching should be carefully considered in order to provide the best education for students.

    • Finding the Right College: Reputation vs. FitWhen choosing a college, consider both the reputation and fit of the school. Don't overlook factors such as academic programs, student body, faculty, and cost in favor of reputation alone. A balance is key.

      When choosing a college, students and parents often struggle with the decision of reputation versus fit. Reputation can be important for future job opportunities, as research has shown that attending a more selective school can lead to better job prospects and a higher salary. However, the fit of the school should also be considered, as it can impact how well a student learns and enjoys their education. Factors such as academic programs, student body, faculty, and cost should be considered when assessing fit. It's important to find a balance between reputation and fit, and not overlook the latter despite the potential benefits of attending a more prestigious school.

    • The U.C. System's Success in Expanding While Maintaining QualityThe U.C. system offers a model for expanding enrollment while maintaining quality through building new campuses and attracting top graduates, which attracts research funding and top talent.

      Elite schools face a central conflict: they confer advantages on their students through exclusivity, but cannot expand without diluting it. The University of California (U.C.) system, however, has been successful in expanding while maintaining quality. U.C. Merced, Irvine, and Davis are powerhouses that have been created in the past 50-60 years. The U.C. system has doubled in size over the past 30 years and enrolls the top 12.5% of California high school graduates. This success is due to the state's Master Plan for Higher Education, which charges U.C. with educating the top graduates. Expanding enrollment has been achieved by building new campuses, a success story that an elite school should learn from. The U.C. system's quality attracts research funding and provides the means to hire great professors and researchers.

    • The Success of University of California and How to Replicate itDirect educational expenditure and strong student services are crucial for success in higher education. Collaboration among institutions can expand access and create a sense of shared responsibility for educational accessibility.

      California’s appeal due to its weather and amenities has resulted in attracting high-quality faculty, which is a major advantage for the University of California system. However, replicating the success of the University of California is possible through a focus on direct educational expenditure and strong student services. The University of California system also benefits from a structural advantage as all schools are part of the same network, resulting in resource-sharing and no zero-sum competition. Ivy League schools could take inspiration from the Paris Accords and come together to expand access to their institutions, creating a sense of shared responsibility and accessibility to more students.

    • Lack of coordination hinders the expansion of elite universities.Collaborating between institutions can increase educational access. Reexamining antitrust laws may be necessary to create a more efficient and fair system. Prioritizing access can benefit students and society.

      Elite universities may struggle to expand due to a lack of coordination, rather than selfish behavior. Collaboration between institutions can preserve quality while increasing access to education. However, antitrust laws prohibit colluding on admissions and aid decisions. It may be necessary to reexamine the role of antitrust in higher education to create a more efficient and fair system. Ultimately, incentivizing universities to prioritize expanding access over maintaining prestige could benefit both students and society as a whole.

    • Challenges in Achieving Cooperative Benefits for UniversitiesCollusion and allegations of price-fixing make it difficult for universities to achieve a higher social surplus through coordination. Suspicion from both political spectrums also hinders progress towards a more positive future.

      The potential benefits of universities coordinating and cooperating to increase social surplus are limited by allegations of collusion and price-fixing, leading to a lack of political support and even abandonment. Despite the positive notion of increasing social surplus, recent scandals and research make it difficult to believe significant change is on the horizon. Universities face skepticism from both left and right-wing perspectives, with suspicions of leaning towards left-leaning ideology and perpetuating inequality. These challenges make it challenging to root for universities as a whole.

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