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    53. Question Time: Blair-Brown, the Special Relationship, and official apologies

    enSeptember 22, 2022

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    • Lack of focus on education in political debatesDespite its crucial role, education is often overlooked in political debates due to its complexity and the dominance of private education backgrounds in power.

      Learning from this episode of The Rest is Politics Question Time is the lack of focus on education in political debates despite its crucial role in transforming the economy and improving international competitiveness. Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart discussed the issue, with concerns raised about the high turnover of Education Secretaries, schools asking parents for funds, and the potential impact of lifting the grammar school moratorium on inequality. Campbell expressed frustration that education, which was a priority during his tenure with Tony Blair, is no longer a central topic in political discourse. The complexity of the education system, from funding teachers' pensions to dealing with school exclusions, makes it a challenging issue to communicate effectively. Additionally, the fact that a disproportionate number of those in positions of power have a private education background further complicates the issue. Despite these challenges, it's essential to keep the conversation going and find ways to address the funding and quality issues in state schools to ensure a more equitable and competitive education system for all.

    • Lack of respect for state education in national debateA societal commitment to state education strengthens its quality, while a skewed perspective due to personal experiences or limited understanding can hinder progress.

      The respect and commitment towards state education in the national debate are lacking, leading to a skewed perspective on its importance. This issue is further compounded when those controlling the narrative are privately educated or have limited understanding of state schools. As highlighted by the examples from Canada, Finland, and other top-performing educational systems, a societal commitment to state education significantly strengthens its quality. Meanwhile, listeners expressed a desire for more serious and substantial discussions on current events, rather than personal anecdotes. Regarding the personal revelations shared during the interview, it was acknowledged that everyone has their strengths and weaknesses, and Rory, despite his impracticality, was praised for being a good father. However, the ongoing tension between the UK and the Biden administration was also acknowledged.

    • Tensions in US-UK relationship over Northern Ireland and trade dealPresident Biden's decision to skip meeting PM Johnson during Queen Elizabeth II's funeral may reflect past reservations towards UK, but practical dealings continue. Disagreements over £150bn spending add to tensions.

      The current state of the special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom, specifically regarding Northern Ireland and the trade deal, was highlighted by President Biden's decision to not meet with Prime Minister Boris Johnson during his visit to attend the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II. This decision, some argue, could be seen as a signal of Biden's priorities and past reservations towards Britain. Additionally, during the discussion, it was mentioned that Biden has made jokes about not liking British people due to his Irish heritage. However, it was also noted that Biden has been practical in his dealings with the UK since taking office and understands the importance of the special relationship. A significant amount of money, approximately £150 billion, was also discussed as a potential expenditure for the government, with opinions differing on how it should be spent.

    • Allocating £150 billion for mental health improvements in the UK, a significant portion goes to elderly care£150 billion investment in UK mental health, prioritizes elderly care with only 15 minutes daily care currently, politicians like Jacinda Ardern and Mark Drakeford exhibit clear communication skills, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were once close friends turned to tension during government, but now maintain mutual respect

      If £150 billion were available for mental health improvements in the UK, a significant portion would be allocated to improving care for the elderly, who currently receive only 15 minutes of care per day. Another observation from the discussion was the clear communication skills of politicians like Jacinda Ardern and Mark Drakeford, who directly answer questions and engage in meaningful debates. Regarding the relationship between Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, it was noted that they were once close friends both politically and personally, but the strains of government led to periods of tension. However, there is now a mutual respect between them, and they continue to be active in their respective fields, although they no longer work together closely.

    • Archbishop's reminder of true service during funeralThe Archbishop's call to remember those who genuinely serve resonated amidst the power and privilege display during the funeral. Elizabethan clergymen's sermon challenges echoed in this modern context.

      The significance of the Archbishop of Canterbury's line during the funeral service, reminding those who truly serve will be remembered, even after those who cling to power and privilege. This historical context can be traced back to Elizabethan England, where clergymen challenged monarchs during their Sunday sermons. The speaker found the archbishop's contribution to be the most memorable part of the service, despite feeling underwhelmed by the readings and hymns. The conversation also touched upon the role of donations in politics, with one speaker sharing their personal experience of donating to Obama's campaign in 2008. The speakers were open about their motivations, acknowledging that donations could serve both idealistic and self-interested purposes.

    • Politics at Funerals: A Chaotic SpectacleWorld leaders jostle for media coverage at solemn events, while governments grapple with apologizing for historic wrongs, revealing complexities of international relations.

      Politics can be chaotic, even during solemn events like state funerals. Rory Stewart shared his experience at the funeral of King Hussein, where he witnessed a political bazaar with world leaders trying to secure the best positions for media coverage. Meanwhile, Alastair Campbell reminisced about the preparations for the Queen's funeral and the ensuing chaos among leaders. The conversation then shifted to the topic of apologies for historic wrongs, with the example of the Amritsar massacre brought up. Despite acknowledging these wrongs, governments may not always issue apologies. For instance, the Queen laid a wreath at Amritsar in 1997, but no formal apology was made. This raises questions about the reasons behind the lack of apologies and the implications for international relations. The Rest is Politics US podcast, launching in the US, aims to uncover such secrets and insights from the inner circles of the Biden and Trump administrations. Tune in every Friday for new episodes.

    • Political Complexity of Apologizing for Historical WrongsPoliticians and governments face challenges in apologizing for historical wrongs due to political pressures and precedent implications. Apologies can heal and strengthen, but public tolerance and sincerity are crucial.

      Apologizing for historical wrongs is a complex issue for politicians and governments. David Cameron and Theresa May both acknowledged the shame and regret associated with the Emirates Massacre and other historical incidents involving the British Indian community, but stopped short of issuing a formal apology. This reluctance may stem from political pressures and the potential implications of setting a precedent for past wrongs. Apologies can be healing and strengthening, but the public's tolerance for them may depend on the circumstances and the perceived sincerity of the apology. The instability of political leadership, with frequent ministerial turnover, further complicates matters. The question of where to draw the line for apologies, particularly in relation to the British Empire, remains a contentious issue. Ultimately, the decision to apologize requires careful consideration of the historical context, political climate, and potential consequences.

    • Considering the long-term impact on successors before making political decisionsPolitical leaders consider potential consequences on successors before making bold decisions, with examples from historical figures like William Gladstone and Clement Attlee.

      Political leaders, especially those in powerful positions, consider the potential consequences of their actions on their successors before making significant decisions. This was a common theme in the discussion between Rory and the interviewee. The interviewee shared personal experiences where they wanted to make bold environmental commitments but faced resistance due to the fear of reversal by future leaders. The interviewee also shared their admiration for historical figures like William Gladstone and Clement Attlee, who became more radical and liberal as they grew older. They would have chosen to work for these leaders, with the interviewee expressing a desire to be Gladstone's chief of staff and the podcast host expressing a desire to be a speechwriter for Attlee. The conversation also touched on the lack of dominant figures in the current Labor party and the challenge posed by Brazilian politics, particularly the rise of Jair Bolsonaro and the leading poll numbers of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. The interviewee expressed a willingness to discuss Brazilian politics in detail but had to leave for a dentist appointment. Overall, the discussion highlighted the importance of considering the long-term impact of political decisions and the admiration for leaders who evolve and grow in their political beliefs.

    • Brazilian Election and Film PortrayalsThe upcoming Brazilian election, with figures like Bolsonaro and Lula, requires attention, while film portrayals can sometimes caricature characters, including Rory Stewart, who prefers Eddie Redmayne to play him in a potential biopic.

      Despite the vast complexity of Brazilian politics and the controversial figures of Bolsonaro and Lula, the upcoming election warrants closer attention. Meanwhile, during a lighter moment in the conversation, the topic shifted to film portrayals. Rory Stewart expressed his preference for Eddie Redmayne to play him in a potential biopic, while acknowledging that previous portrayals, such as in "The Queen," may have caricatured certain characters including himself. The group also discussed their favorite Scottish words or phrases, but the conversation returned to the importance of staying informed about the Brazilian election. Overall, the conversation underscored the significance of understanding global political events and the impact of media representation.

    • The Power of Colloquialisms in Scottish Language and PoliticsColloquialisms add depth, meaning, and a unique flavor to Scottish language and politics. They create a sense of familiarity, understanding, and pride among speakers and highlight the importance of wit and banter in Scottish culture.

      Scottish language and colloquialisms play an essential role in shaping personal connections and interactions among people. The use of words like "glaikit" (gormless), "scunnered" (annoyed or frustrated), "wiest" (wise guy), and "firt" (a way of getting at each other) adds depth and meaning to conversations. These words create a sense of familiarity and understanding among speakers, making their interactions more meaningful and enjoyable. Moreover, the use of colloquialisms in Scottish politics adds a unique flavor to the political discourse, making it more relatable and engaging for the audience. The repetition of words like "wiest" and "firt" highlights the competitive nature of Scottish politics and the importance of wit and banter in the political arena. Furthermore, the use of colloquialisms can also serve as a source of pride and identity for the Scottish people. Words like "glaikit" and "scunnered" are unique to the Scottish language and are not commonly used in other parts of the world. By embracing and using these words, Scottish people can connect with each other and celebrate their cultural heritage. In conclusion, the use of colloquialisms in Scottish language and politics adds depth, meaning, and a unique flavor to interactions and discourse. It creates a sense of familiarity, understanding, and pride among speakers and highlights the importance of wit and banter in Scottish culture.

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