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    #567: Understanding the Wonderful, Frustrating Dynamic of Friendship

    enDecember 09, 2019

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    • Tensions in Friendships: Balance and Unique ChallengesFriendships, though overlooked, are essential and carry unique tensions such as balancing independence and dependence, affection and instrumentality, judgment and acceptance, and expressiveness and protectiveness.

      Friendship, a uniquely chosen relationship, is both wonderfully enjoyable and challenging due to its voluntary nature. Professor Bill Rollins, an expert on the subject, explains that while friendships are overlooked and taken for granted amidst other relationships like family and work, they are distinctively personal and carry unique tensions. These tensions include the balance between independence and dependence, affection and instrumentality, judgment and acceptance, and expressiveness and protectiveness. Understanding these tensions and their manifestations in various types of friendships can lead to deeper, more meaningful connections. Despite the risks, the potential rewards of friendship make it an essential aspect of a well-rounded life.

    • The Importance of Friendship: A Bond of Equality and AffectionFriendship is a valuable relationship that adds depth and meaning to life through mutual affection, equality, and common interests, despite its complexities and susceptibility to external circumstances.

      Friendship is a voluntary, personal relationship based on affection, equality, and mutual choice. It's an inherently ethical bond that thrives on common interests and equality in certain aspects. Aristotle and C.S. Lewis, among others, have emphasized the importance of friendship, which is not necessary for survival but adds value to it. The tension in friendship lies between the freedom to be independent and dependent, making it a complex and dynamic relationship. Despite its flexibility, friendships are also susceptible to external circumstances that can lead to their end. Overall, friendship matters because it enriches our lives and allows us to connect with others on a deeper level.

    • The Gift of Independence and Dependence in FriendshipFriends offer each other independence to grow and become their best selves, while also providing security and support during tough times. Communication and balance are key to maintaining a strong friendship.

      Friendship involves the gift of both independence and dependence between individuals. This means that friends provide each other with the freedom to live their own lives and become the best version of themselves, while also offering the security of being there for each other during times of need. However, these two freedoms can sometimes create tension, especially when one friend values independence more than the other or when their needs change over time. It's important for friends to communicate openly about their expectations and find a balance that works for both parties. Additionally, friendship styles can vary throughout the life course and across genders, with some prioritizing independence and others interdependence. Ultimately, the key to maintaining a strong friendship is fulfilling each other's expectations and addressing any issues that arise through open communication.

    • The tension between affection and instrumentality in friendshipsFriendships can be influenced by the tension between valuing friends for who they are vs. what they can provide. This tension can be damaging for adolescents and challenging for women. Aristotle distinguished between utility-based and true friendships, emphasizing the importance of mutual well-wishing and caring for each other's well-being.

      Friendships are complex and can be influenced by the tension between affection and instrumentality. This tension asks whether we value friends for who they are or for what they can provide us. For adolescents, who are insecure about their friendships, feeling used can be damaging. Across the life course, this tension can be particularly challenging for women, who often need to rely on each other while juggling multiple responsibilities. Aristotle recognized this tension, distinguishing between friendships of utility and true friendship, which is based on mutual well-wishing and caring for each other's well-being for its own sake. With the rise of social media, there's a risk that friendships may become more instrumental, used for status or validation. In contrast, face-to-face interactions, where friends are truly present and engaged, can help foster deeper, more meaningful connections.

    • Friendships involve acceptance and judgmentFriendships require compassionate objectivity: providing honest feedback while respecting feelings, and deciding when to intervene with tough love.

      Friendships involve both acceptance and judgment. We make friends with people we respect and admire, and we expect them to accept us in return. However, this dynamic creates a tension, as we both want to be accepted and to accept others, but we also have judged each other worthy of friendship. Navigating this tension requires compassionate objectivity – providing honest feedback while respecting the other person's feelings. Another challenge in friendships is deciding whether to intervene when a friend is making harmful decisions. This tension illustrates the complexities of true friendship, where caring and support can coexist with tough love.

    • Balancing expressiveness and protectiveness in friendshipsAuthentic friendships need open communication, shared values, and respect for vulnerabilities.

      Authentic and meaningful friendships require a balance between expressiveness and protectiveness, as well as adherence to shared standards and values. While open communication is essential, there are limits to what we share with our friends to protect our vulnerabilities and their feelings. Men and women may have different styles of friendship, with men tending towards more independent friendships and women towards interdependent ones. Ultimately, friendships are about growing and living well together, and they require courage, honesty, and mutual respect.

    • Understanding Gender Differences in FriendshipsMen and women have distinct qualities in friendships, with men being more protective and less judgmental, and women more expressive and judgmental. However, societal norms and cultural expectations may impact these traits. Authentic and meaningful friendships exist beyond gender stereotypes.

      While there are differences in how men and women express and value affection, instrumentality, judgment, and acceptance in their friendships, both genders have unique qualities that contribute to the richness and complexity of these relationships. Men tend to be more protective and less judgmental, while women are more expressive and more likely to judge. However, societal norms and cultural expectations may influence how these traits are expressed and perceived. It's essential to recognize that men's friendships may look different from women's, but they are valuable in their own right. As we continue to challenge gender stereotypes and encourage open expression of emotions, we can expect to see more authentic and meaningful friendships between men. Ultimately, friendships are about connection, support, and shared experiences, regardless of gender.

    • Actions and activities express closeness in men's friendshipsMen's friendships are built on shared experiences, mutual understanding, and communication, expressed through actions and activities, even as circumstances change.

      Actions and activities play a significant role in men's friendships, expressing closeness and understanding without the need for spoken words. However, communication, though not always verbal, is still important in these relationships. Men's friendships, as depicted in classics like "Lonesome Dove," can be about shared experiences and mutual understanding, even when there may not be an apparent reason for the friendship. As we age and enter new circumstances, the nature of friendship evolves, but the importance of actions, activities, and communication remains constant.

    • Friendships evolve from shared activities to personality and values during adolescenceAdolescence is a crucial time for deep, lasting friendships, where individuals explore identity and value trust and understanding, despite potential breaches due to heightened self-consciousness and social pressures.

      Friendships in childhood are primarily based on shared activities and compatibility, but as children grow older, they begin to value friendships based on personality, shared values, and appreciation for the other person's individuality. Adolescence is a critical period for developing deep and lasting friendships, as it provides a safe space for individuals to explore their identity and figure out who they are. Adolescents idealize friendship and crave trust and understanding during this time, but they can also be notorious for breaching that trust due to heightened self-consciousness and the pressures of social evaluation. Overall, the development of friendships is an essential aspect of childhood and adolescence, playing a significant role in moral development and shaping who we become as adults.

    • Friendships during adolescence shape identity and understanding of intimacyFriendships formed in adolescence influence adulthood, but young adults may reevaluate and seek new ones based on shared values and interests during college.

      Friendships formed during adolescence play a significant role in shaping an individual's identity and understanding of intimacy. These friendships are influential during the formative years of adulthood, but as young adults navigate new social environments, they may find themselves reevaluating old friendships and seeking out new ones based on shared values and interests. The transition to college, in particular, can be a lonely experience as individuals grapple with the realization that they must be true to themselves and not compromise their identity to maintain friendships. Overall, the friendships formed during adolescence are important, but they are refined and solidified during young adulthood as individuals discover who they truly are and what they value in relationships.

    • Exploring Friendships in AdulthoodBe intentional about nurturing friendships despite life's demands, as the organization of our lives is the greatest determinant of whether they'll be preserved.

      Young adulthood is a time of exploration and decision-making, where friends play a significant role in shaping our choices regarding relationships, work, and hobbies. However, as we enter adulthood, making and maintaining friendships becomes increasingly challenging due to external circumstances like jobs, marriages, and children. Friendships in adulthood can get compartmentalized, and it's essential to prioritize and make time for them despite the demands of other areas of life. The greatest determinant of whether friendships will be preserved or not is the organization of our lives. So, it's crucial to be intentional about nurturing friendships, even as our circumstances change.

    • Friendship's versatility and evolution across lifeFriendships can transcend age differences and become more significant in adulthood due to shared interests and experiences. Navigating friendship dynamics in the workplace can lead to deeper connections.

      Friendship is a unique and versatile relationship that can exist independently (freestanding) or as a dimension of other relationships. Across the life course, friendships can evolve, becoming more important than age differences in adulthood due to shared interests and experiences. The organization of our lives plays a significant role in allowing us to form and maintain friendships. However, creating friendships at work can be challenging due to the inherent hierarchies and instrumental nature of the workplace culture. Understanding these dynamics and navigating the tensions between friendship and work can lead to deeper connections and more meaningful relationships.

    • Building Friendships Outside of Work HoursMaintain clear definitions of relationships, avoid favoritism, and engage in activities outside of work and family to build strong friendships.

      While friendships can form in the workplace, it's essential to maintain clear definitions of relationships and find opportunities to build friendships outside of work hours. The workplace culture can often foster competition, making it challenging to establish genuine friendships. Defining the nature of conversations and being aware of potential perceptions of favoritism are crucial. Spending time together outside of work hours is also an essential factor in building strong friendships. While spouses are often considered the best friends for many people, it's essential for men, in particular, to engage in various activities outside of work and family to connect with others based on shared interests.

    • Making and maintaining friendships: Independence, discernment, acquisitivenessEngage in activities, practice small talk, listen actively, form deeper connections, and be patient to make new friends. Value both old and new friendships for a fulfilling life.

      Making and maintaining friendships is an important aspect of a fulfilling life, especially as people age and their children leave home. There are different types of friendships, including those formed through independence, discernment, and acquisitiveness. Independence friends are made wherever one goes, while discerning friends are those with whom we have deep connections. Acquisitive friends are those we hold onto throughout our lives. To make new friends, try engaging in activities you enjoy and practicing small talk. Listen actively to others and be open to forming deeper connections over time. Remember, small talk can lead to meaningful conversations and potential friendships. Don't rush the process, but take calculated risks and be patient. Ultimately, maintaining both old and new friendships can bring significant joy and meaning to one's life.

    • Navigating Inherent Tensions in FriendshipsFriendships involve normal tensions between independence and dependence, judgment and acceptance, affection and instrumentality, and expressiveness and protectiveness. Open communication and self-awareness help maintain healthy friendships by addressing these tensions.

      Friendship involves inherent tensions, and navigating these tensions is essential for building and maintaining successful friendships. According to Bill Rollins, author of "Friendship Matters," these tensions arise due to the voluntary and equal nature of friendship. They include independence and dependence, judgment and acceptance, affection and instrumentality, and expressiveness and protectiveness. These tensions are normal and common to all friendships, and acknowledging and addressing them can help friends navigate through tough patches and maintain their bond. Rollins emphasizes the importance of open communication in addressing these tensions, as well as recognizing that friendships are susceptible to external circumstances. In summary, friendship requires effort and the ability to navigate inherent tensions, and open communication and self-awareness are key to maintaining healthy friendships.

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