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    enApril 13, 2022

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    • UK PM and Chancellor face criticism for lockdown partiesBoris Johnson and Rishi Sunak's involvement in lockdown parties raised concerns about their ability to uphold high standards and maintain trust in democratic institutions, as they broke the laws they imposed on others. The Metropolitan Police's confirmation of these breaches underscores the gravity of the situation.

      UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his Chancellor Rishi Sunak have faced significant criticism and calls for resignation due to their involvement in parties held during COVID-19 lockdowns, which broke the laws they had imposed on the rest of the country. Johnson's history of distractions and scandals, misleading parliament, and deliberate law-breaking raises serious concerns about his ability to act responsibly and uphold high standards. The Metropolitan Police's confirmation of these breaches further underscores the gravity of the situation. The rule of law, ministerial integrity, and parliamentary honesty are at stake. If the government fails to act, it sends a dangerous message about the importance of adhering to the law and maintaining trust in democratic institutions.

    • Breach of Trust in Democracy: Boris Johnson's ScandalJohnson's disregard for lockdown rules and lack of integrity risks damaging democracy and voter trust, potentially setting a dangerous precedent for future leaders.

      The current political scandal surrounding UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, involving parties during lockdowns, is a significant breach of trust in democracy. Johnson's actions, which have included lying and disregard for rules, have undermined the partnership between voters and their representatives. The scandal is reminiscent of other mega populist leaders who flout the rules, and if Johnson gets away with it, our democracy may be in jeopardy. The Conservative Party's ruthless nature and their focus on winning elections may ultimately be what brings Johnson down, rather than the specific details of the scandal. The lack of integrity shown by Johnson and potentially other politicians risks damaging the democratic process and the trust of the electorate.

    • British politics: Hypocrisy and double standardsThe Conservative Party's handling of Boris Johnson's scandals raises questions about hypocrisy and double standards in British politics, while France's presidential election highlights the potential consequences of voter apathy and extremist candidates.

      The discussion highlights the hypocrisy and double standards in British politics regarding the scandals surrounding their prime minister, Boris Johnson, and other politicians. The speakers express shock and disbelief that the Conservative Party appears to be fine with a leader who has broken the law and lied about it, and they question what would happen if this were a Labour government. The conversation then shifts to France, where the presidential election is ongoing and the outcome is uncertain due to the presence of three major political forces. The speakers express concern about low voter turnout and the possibility of extremist candidates gaining power. Overall, the discussion underscores the volatile nature of politics in both countries and the potential consequences of voter apathy or support for controversial candidates.

    • New political movements in EuropeEmmanuel Macron's success in France shows potential for new parties, but UK's electoral system and current climate make it unlikely for an independent candidate to emerge.

      The French political landscape, like many European countries, has seen a significant collapse of traditional left and right parties, leaving a power vacuum. Emmanuel Macron's success in creating a new centrist party and winning the presidency demonstrates the potential for new political movements, but the UK's electoral system and current political climate make it highly unlikely for a similar emergence of an independent candidate. Macron's ability to win over voters in the second round of the French presidential election was due to the country's electoral system, which has been altered in the UK, making it more challenging for independent candidates to gain traction. The depth of hatred some people express towards Macron, despite his intelligence and political acumen, underscores the polarized nature of modern politics. While Macron's approach was more ambitious than Tony Blair's New Labour, both leaders sought to break away from established parties and build new movements.

    • Macron's Centrist Success and Pension Reform ChallengeMacron's centrist success hinges on his ability to provoke, but his stance on pension reform may alienate left-wing voters, making authentic appeals and emphasizing progressive values crucial in upcoming elections.

      French President Emmanuel Macron's political success as a centrist was built on his ability to provoke both right and left wings with outrageous comments, but his stance on certain issues, like raising the pensionable age, may hinder his ability to win over left-wing voters in the upcoming parliamentary elections. Macron's approach to politics was compared to Tony Blair's New Labor, where he aimed to command the center. However, his adamant stance on pension reform has enraged the left, making it crucial for him to campaign harder and authentically appeal to this voter base. The upcoming TV debate will also be crucial, as Macron previously outperformed Marine Le Pen, but she has attempted to present herself as a moderate this time around, potentially appealing to disenchanted voters. Macron must navigate this delicate situation without pretending to be something he's not and emphasize his progressive values to win over the left.

    • Macron vs Johnson: Different Personalities and ApproachesMacron's intellectual depth, earnestness, and conviction contrast with Johnson's lightheartedness, comedic style, and focus on cost-of-living issues. Both have unique strengths and weaknesses, but their political futures in each other's countries are uncertain.

      Macron and Johnson, two potential take-on contenders in their respective countries' politics, present vastly different personas and approaches. Macron, with his intellectual depth, earnestness, and crowd engagement, contrasts with Johnson's lightheartedness, comedic style, and lack of recent publicity in his own country. Macron's conviction and belief in his special destiny have helped him rise in French politics, despite criticisms of his thin-skinnedness and need for respect. However, there are concerns that his political style may alienate some voters, making it uncertain if he would succeed in British politics. Johnson, with his football fandom, intelligence, and broad-mindedness, has the potential to appeal to British voters. Yet, his absence from the public eye and focus on cost-of-living issues may leave him vulnerable to attacks on his incoherence. Ultimately, the outcome of their political battles remains uncertain, but their distinct personalities and approaches will be key factors.

    • Macron's Unconventional Personal Life and Public ImageMacron's belief in Europe's future and analytical mind make him a formidable politician, but his unconventional relationship and public image create unpredictable popularity.

      Emmanuel Macron, the French President, is known for his intelligence and analytical mind, but even the brightest individuals have their limitations. Macron's strong belief in Europe's future and his ability to tackle complex issues make him a formidable politician. However, his unconventional relationship with his older partner, Brigitte Trogneux, who was his teacher when he was a student, has been a subject of fascination and intrigue. Macron's popularity among the French public is unpredictable, with some admiring him and others harboring intense dislike. The French people's treatment of their leaders, with high approval ratings post-office, adds to the complexity of understanding Macron's public image. Despite these challenges, Macron's precocious brilliance and the support of his older partner have played significant roles in his political success.

    • Political Landscape and Spouses' RolesPoliticians' spouses can impact political landscape, and their financial arrangements raise ethical questions, especially when non-domicile rules apply.

      The political landscape can be influenced by various factors, including the roles and actions of politicians' spouses. The case of Rishi Sunak and his wife's tax situation highlights the complexity of non-domicile rules and the potential for perceived conflicts of interest. While these rules have historical support from both major political parties, the transparency and openness expected of politicians in such situations are crucial for maintaining public trust. The voluntary payment of substantial taxes by Sunak's wife raises questions about the ethical implications of such financial arrangements for those in high political offices.

    • Political Scrutiny and Personal TraumaPolitical controversies can inflict emotional and relational damage on individuals and their families, regardless of whether laws are broken.

      The political landscape can be psychologically challenging for individuals and their families, as they face intense scrutiny and accusations in the public eye. The recent controversy surrounding Rishi Sunak's green card and tax status is an example of this, with him and his wife facing accusations of lying and criminal behavior, despite not breaking any laws. Sunak's background as a second-generation immigrant who gave up financial opportunities to enter politics and serve his country adds to the complexity of the situation. The public's reaction, including some enjoying the scandal, highlights the traumatic nature of political life and the potential consequences it can have on individuals and their relationships. It also raises questions about the motivations behind political attacks and the impact they can have on people's lives.

    • Allegations of thin-skinned behavior and rule-breaking in the UK governmentThe UK government is under scrutiny for potential rule-breaking and thin-skinned behavior, with Chancellor Rishi Sunak's tax status being a major point of contention. Possible involvement of Number 10 in leaking information against Sunak adds to the ethical concerns.

      The UK government, led by Prime Minister Boris Johnson, is facing allegations of thin-skinned behavior and potentially breaking rules, as revealed through the ongoing controversy surrounding Chancellor Rishi Sunak and his tax status. The discussion also hinted at possible involvement of Number 10 in leaking information against Sunak. The situation has raised concerns about the ethical boundaries of the government and the potential for anything being possible in the current political climate. Additionally, Anthony Scaramucci shared a personal anecdote about making donations to Obama's campaign in 2008, emphasizing the real and sometimes complex nature of political donations.

    • Monarchy's past connections and future relevanceThe monarchy's historical roots and traditions may keep it relevant in a changing world, but its connection to the past could also make it vulnerable.

      The monarchy's connection to the past may make it vulnerable in a rapidly changing world, but its rituals and traditions could also be what keeps it relevant and alive. Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell, hosts of The Rest is Politics podcast, discussed this topic in relation to an article by Clive Irving in The New European, which raised the question of the monarchy's future relevance. They also touched on their disagreements on various policy areas, such as the House of Lords, compulsory voting, and the voting age. Despite their differences, they acknowledged their contrasting perspectives rooted in their political backgrounds. The podcast, which covers political analysis and commentary on British and global issues, is now available in the US.

    • Age restrictions and their implications in various domainsAge thresholds for driving, military service, and politics spark debates over their fairness and effectiveness, with some arguing for stricter or more lenient rules.

      There are various age-related restrictions in place for different activities, such as driving and voting, which raises questions about why certain age thresholds are set the way they are. During a discussion, it was mentioned that people can't drive a car till they're 17, but some argue that waiting until age 18 would make the roads safer. Similarly, while 16- and 17-year-olds can join the army, they can't go into combat until they're 18, which is considered a violation of international law by some. In politics, there have been disagreements over the Brexit issue, with some advocating for a second referendum and others pushing for a compromise. Ultimately, the speakers acknowledged that both sides share some responsibility for the current state of affairs. The conversation also touched on Rory Stewart's surprising shift to becoming a Tory, with some questioning his liberal democratic leanings.

    • Former Politician's Perspective on Conservative ValuesA former politician, though not personally invested in traditional political battles, recognizes a connection to conservative values such as tradition, practical problem-solving, and respect for institutions. They believe the British public may lean more towards conservative policies than left acknowledges.

      The speaker, a former politician, shares a perspective that despite their personal lack of interest in the traditional political battles between Labour and Conservative parties, they recognize a deep connection to certain values and passions that align them more with conservative ideology. They value tradition, practical problem-solving, and admire institutions like the British Army and monarchy. They also believe that the British public may be more comfortable with conservative policies than the left acknowledges, and that Tony Blair's success came from moving towards the center. The speaker and their interlocutor, Rory, despite their differences, share a common observation about the dominance of conservative politics in the UK and the challenge for the Labour party to adapt to modern voters' preferences.

    • The Conservative Party's Success in the Digital AgeThe Conservative Party's success lies in its deep-rooted traditions, ability to adapt to change, and balancing public safety with civil liberties during protests.

      Traditional political parties and methods are struggling to connect with people in the digital age. The Conservative Party's success can be attributed to its deep-rooted traditions and history, as well as its ability to adapt to change, such as leaving the European Union. However, the line between lawful protest and rioting is becoming blurred, and efforts to restrict protests under the guise of maintaining order can be seen as an infringement on civil liberties. It's important for governments to find a balance between public safety and the right to peaceful assembly. The impact of protests, while not always immediate, can still be significant and should not be underestimated.

    • Political landscape of Pakistan: Complex and BrutalImran Khan, a former cricket star, rose to power with military and intelligence services' help but faced criticism for suppressing civil society. Shabaz Sharif, seen as a competent administrator, made education reforms with Michael Barber's influence. Pakistan-India relations over Kashmir remain a significant issue.

      The political landscape in Pakistan is complex and brutal, with figures like Imran Khan and Shabaz Sharif making deals with the military and intelligence services to gain power. Imran Khan, a former cricket star and British citizen, rose to power with the help of these forces but faced criticism for clamping down on civil society and NGOs. Now ousted from power, he's using populist tactics to stir up public sentiments and position himself as a champion against the United States. His opponent, Shabaz Sharif, is seen as a competent administrator, having made impressive education reforms in the Punjab with the help of Michael Barber, a former head of Tony Blair's delivery unit. While Imran Khan may make a comeback as an opposition leader, it's unclear what he'll do next. The relationship between Pakistan and India, particularly over Kashmir, continues to dominate the political discourse. Michael Barber's influence on the new president highlights the global impact of Blair's delivery unit culture.

    • Trade and Peace: A Complex IssueWhile trade can potentially bring peace between nations, the Russia-Ukraine conflict highlights its limitations. Leaders like Boris Johnson can symbolize ideas during war, but the complexities of geopolitics and tensions make peace through trade a challenging goal.

      While the belief that strong trading connections can bring peace between nations remains a popular notion, recent events like the Russia-Ukraine conflict have cast doubts on its effectiveness. The expansion of trade between countries like Jordan and Israel has been seen as a potential path to peace, but the war in Ukraine, despite the existence of trading connections and pipelines, proved otherwise. The German foreign minister's call for heavy weaponry for Ukraine and the potential involvement of NATO highlights the growing tensions. Boris Johnson's successful trip to Ukraine, as a political leader known for his charm and ability to symbolize ideas on social media, also showcases how war can bring out unique qualities in leaders, making it a complex issue with various perspectives.

    • Discussing the merits of risky decisions and recommendations for books and moviesExploring risky decisions can lead to personal growth, but it's important to consider the potential consequences. Recommended reading: 'Les Face Cachet' by Vladimir Fedorovsky, and the movie 'Dune'.

      Despite the risks involved, it was the right decision for the individual in question to take certain actions. However, this doesn't mean we should all blindly follow or idolize this person. The discussion also touched upon the idea of lengthy speeches and recommendations for books and movies. The speakers agreed on the merit of a French book called "Les Face Cachet" by Vladimir Fedorovsky and the new science fiction movie "Dune." Despite some initial reluctance, Alastair expressed his intention to learn the bagpipes properly and promised to play the Ukrainian national anthem on the show. The conversation ended with a lighthearted note, with Alastair preparing to practice his piping skills.

    • Ancient Indo-European connections through Swastika symbol and musical noteThe discovery of the Swastika symbol's connection to the Sanskrit language and a musical note within a single octave highlights the deep historical links between ancient Indo-European civilizations, showcasing the rich cultural exchange and advanced knowledge they shared.

      The discovery of the Swastika symbol's connection to the Sanskrit language and the note's musical pitch within the single octave is a fascinating reminder of the deep historical links between ancient Indo-European civilizations. This finding sheds light on the rich cultural exchange that once existed between these societies, long before recorded history. The Swastika symbol, which has been misrepresented and stigmatized in modern times due to its association with the Nazi regime, originally held deep spiritual significance in various ancient cultures. Its presence in both the Sanskrit language and the musical note discovered in Germany underscores the extensive reach of these ancient civilizations. Moreover, the fact that the note fits perfectly within the single octave is a testament to the precision and sophistication of ancient musical knowledge. It's a reminder that our ancestors were advanced in their understanding of music and language, and that there is still much to learn from their discoveries. In essence, this discovery highlights the importance of exploring the depth and complexity of our shared history, rather than reducing it to simplistic and divisive labels. It's a call to appreciate the rich cultural heritage that connects us all, and to continue seeking out the hidden connections that lie beneath the surface.

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    Episode 20: Abhijit V. Banerjee & Esther Duflo: COVID-19, global debt & zombie economics

    Episode 20: Abhijit V. Banerjee & Esther Duflo: COVID-19, global debt & zombie economics

    MIT Professors and winners of the 2019 Nobel Prize in Economics, Abhijit V. Banerjee and Esther Duflo discuss the implications of COVID-19 globally, the decline in trust of governments, unsustainable debts, and their book, GOOD ECONOMICS FOR HARD TIMES - out now in trade paperback via PublicAffairs.

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