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    75. Trump vs. DeSantis, Sunak on the world stage, and Iran

    enNovember 16, 2022

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    • Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart Hosting Live Show at Royal Albert HallListeners can attend Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart's live show at the Royal Albert Hall on December 13th, with tickets starting at £22. A presale for Rest is Politics Plus members is on November 17th, followed by a general sale on November 18th. The show might have a Christmas theme.

      Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart are hosting a live show at the Royal Albert Hall on December 13th, and they're inviting their listeners to attend. The tickets went on sale quickly during their previous event, and when they sold out, they were offered an opportunity to host the show at the famous venue. Tickets start at £22, and there will be a presale for Rest is Politics Plus members on November 17th, followed by a general sale on November 18th. The show promises to be fun and possibly have a Christmas theme. The duo discussed the uncertainty surrounding the upcoming U.S. midterm elections and the potential influence of polls on campaigns. They also touched upon the different party color associations in the U.S. compared to the UK.

    • Media's complex relationship with politicsMedia outlets set agendas and shape public opinion, with Fox News' support for Trump illustrating this power

      The influence of media, particularly right-wing media outlets like Fox News, on politics cannot be underestimated. The relationship between media and politics is a complex dance, with media outlets setting the agenda while also being desperate to hold onto their audience. In the case of Fox News and Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch began to turn against Trump in 2020, but his son Lachlan, who was running things at the time, kept strong Trump support. Fox then deliberately moved further to the right to kill competition from the right before finally moving back towards dissenters. Despite Trump being held accountable for his actions and losing the presidency, media outlets like Fox News can continue to support him without consequence. The British perspective is that many people find Trump's actions and words repelling, but the power of media to shape public opinion cannot be ignored.

    • Political landscape influenced by economy, social issues, and media credibilityPoliticians' credibility, media attention, and focus are crucial factors in elections. Resilience and strategic decision-making are key to navigating negative media and maintaining voter support.

      The political landscape, particularly during contentious elections, is influenced by various factors including the economy, social issues, and the role of media. The credibility of political figures can significantly impact voter behavior, especially among younger generations. Politicians like Joe Biden and Keir Starmer have shown resilience in the face of negative media attention and have been successful in maintaining their strategic focus. The outcome of elections is not solely determined by media endorsements or attacks, and politicians who allow themselves to be consumed by their opponents' narratives risk making poor decisions. The upcoming change in leadership in the House of Representatives, with McCarthy emerging as a potential new speaker, could bring significant shifts in legislative agendas and policy-making.

    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis: A Contender for the 2024 Republican Presidential NominationYoung Republican governor Ron DeSantis, known for distancing himself from Trump and controversial actions, has gained popularity among Republicans, particularly those denying 2020 election results, making him a strong contender for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

      Ron DeSantis, a young Republican governor of Florida, has emerged as a strong contender for the Republican Party's presidential nomination in 2024. He has distanced himself from former President Trump, who has given him the nickname "Ron DeSanctimonious," and has been criticized for his controversial actions such as transporting migrants to Martha's Vineyard and refusing to implement COVID-19 lockdowns. Despite this, DeSantis has gained popularity among Republicans and has a large following, particularly among those who deny the legitimacy of the 2020 election results. With Trump's influence still significant within the party, the race for the nomination is expected to be intense.

    • Florida Governor Ron DeSantis defies expectations and wins re-electionDeSantis surprised pundits by securing support from diverse voter groups, including young men and Latinos, while maintaining a conservative stance on issues.

      Ron DeSantis, the Republican governor of Florida, defied expectations and won his re-election campaign against Charlie Crist, a popular former Republican governor who joined the Democratic Party. DeSantis' victory was significant as he managed to garner support from a diverse range of voters, including a surprising 61% of men aged 18 to 29 and 56% of Latino voters. This success challenges the traditional assumptions of Democratic dominance among minority voters. Additionally, DeSantis' stance on issues like abortion and education places him firmly on the right wing of the political spectrum. Meanwhile, President Biden's meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping showed a cordial relationship but did not alter the fact that Taiwan remains a major point of contention between the two nations.

    • Unexpected Outcomes at Smaller MeetingsOne-on-one or small group meetings between world leaders can result in unexpected outcomes and significant changes, contrasting the more predictable nature of large international summits.

      While large international summits like the one between Biden and Xi Jinping may seem scripted and predictable, they can produce unexpected outcomes, particularly at the bilateral and trilateral levels. These one-on-one or small group meetings allow for more direct engagement and can lead to significant changes, as seen in the appointment of Wim Duisenberg as head of the European Central Bank and Germany's more assertive role during the Kosovo conflict. However, at the multilateral level, these meetings can be more challenging to influence due to the rigid adherence to speaking points and predetermined agendas.

    • Personal relationships and reputation matter in diplomacyEffective diplomacy requires strong, positive relationships and a good reputation with world leaders. Warm, welcoming interactions can build trust and respect.

      Personal relationships and reputation play a significant role in diplomacy and international relations. Rishi Sunak, as the new prime minister of the UK, needs to establish strong, positive relationships with world leaders to effectively navigate the global stage. The tone and body language during interactions matter, as they can influence how leaders perceive and engage with Sunak. Previous interactions, such as those between Liz Truss and senior Americans, have shown that a lack of trust and stability can hinder diplomatic efforts. Sunak's ability to establish warm, welcoming relationships with leaders, as seen with Justin Trudeau and Fumio Kishida, will be crucial in gaining respect and trust in the international community. Ultimately, the importance of personal relationships and reputation cannot be underestimated in the world of diplomacy.

    • BBC correspondent Katty Kaye shares her experiences with political donations and her appreciation for The New European newspaperKatty Kaye, a BBC correspondent, shared her unexpected benefits from donating to President Obama's campaign and her admiration for The New European's thought-provoking content and lack of nationalistic bias. She also criticized the Conservative government's economic management and encouraged support for The New European through a weekly subscription.

      Katty Kaye, a US special correspondent for BBC Studios with decades of experience covering American politics, shared a story about donating to President Obama's campaign in 2007 and the unexpected benefits she received in return. She also highlighted the importance of The New European newspaper, which she enjoys for its thought-provoking content and lack of nationalistic poison. Another topic discussed was the economic performance of the UK during the Conservative government's 12-year tenure, which was criticized for mismanagement and compared unfavorably to the Labour government's 13-year term. The speakers also praised the New European for its cultural coverage and encouraged listeners to support it with a weekly subscription.

    • Britain's Economic Transformation and ChallengesFrom wealthier to less wealthy, Britain underwent economic transformation but now faces challenges, particularly with the NHS, which faces funding issues and controversy over private contracts.

      From 1870 to 1980, the average British person was wealthier than the average American, but this trend was reversed in the 1980s and 1990s. During this period, Britain experienced remarkable economic transformation with faster GDP per capita growth and strong employment performance. However, since then, economic problems have emerged, including austerity measures and issues with public services like the National Health Service (NHS). The NHS, which some view as a socialist experiment, has faced increasing demand and costs that outpaced funding, leading to concerns about its future. The current government, under Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Chancellor Jeremy Hunt, is expected to present a new start but faces challenges, particularly with ongoing labor strikes and the legacy of past mistakes, including Brexit and austerity. The NHS, in particular, has been a contentious issue, with some questioning the motives behind recent contract awards to private companies like Palantir.

    • UK's NHS faces labor shortages and financial challengesThe UK's NHS grapples with labor shortages and financial pressures due to Brexit, COVID-19, and structural issues. Debate continues over whether to borrow more or adopt growth strategies beyond austerity measures.

      The UK's decision to leave the European Union, combined with the COVID-19 pandemic and structural issues in social care and healthcare, have created significant labor shortages and financial challenges for the National Health Service (NHS). While some argue that borrowing more money could help address these issues, others caution that the current economic climate makes this approach less viable due to high global interest rates and Britain's already high debt levels. Instead, there is a need for imaginative, forward-looking strategies for growth that go beyond simple austerity measures or endless borrowing. The ongoing debate around fiscal policy highlights the importance of striking a balance between responsible budgeting and investment for future growth. Additionally, the recent passing of the first death sentence against protesters in Iran is a concerning development that underscores the need for continued attention to global human rights issues.

    • Political unrest and human rights abuses in Iran and Myanmar, but hope and resilience persistDespite ongoing protests and human rights abuses in Iran and Myanmar, the courage and optimism of the people offer hope and highlight the complexities and challenges of global politics

      Despite the ongoing political unrest and human rights violations in countries like Iran and Myanmar, there are moments of hope and resilience. England's Foreign Secretary, James Cleverley, has announced new sanctions against Iran in response to the ongoing protests and human rights abuses. Meanwhile, in Myanmar, activists continue to protest against the military junta, with some turning to unconventional methods like 3D printing guns. The situation in both countries is complex and ongoing, with no clear end in sight. However, the courage and optimism of the people involved offer a glimmer of hope. Elsewhere, war surgeon David Knott, who has worked in war zones around the world, noted the striking difference in morale between his experiences in Syria and Ukraine. In Ukraine, he observed an "extraordinary optimism" among the people, buoyed by the support they feel from outside forces. These situations serve as a reminder of the complexities and challenges of global politics, as well as the power of resilience and solidarity.

    • The Power of Human Resilience and CompassionAmidst the chaos of conflict and abandonment, individuals like David Knott demonstrate the transformative impact of human compassion and resilience. Even in the presence of adversity, the comforting effect of support and kindness can make a significant difference.

      The experience of conflict and abandonment in Syria led to a rapid collapse of morale among its people, but the extraordinary actions of individuals like David Knott, who dedicated themselves to training Ukrainian doctors, serve as a reminder of the power of human resilience and compassion. An intriguing anecdote about Knott is his encounter with the late Queen, during which she offered him a chance to relax and feed her corgis, emphasizing the comforting effect of animals during difficult times. Overall, this conversation highlights the importance of support and kindness in the face of adversity.

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