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    88. Bush and Iraq, being J.D. Vance’s boss, and why Trump loses (David Frum)

    enAugust 04, 2024
    What influenced David Frum's political leanings as a child?
    How did Frum describe his relationship with George W. Bush?
    What concerns does Frum express about military action?
    How does Frum connect loss to the human experience?
    What role does Frum see for diplomacy in politics?

    Podcast Summary

    • Childhood experiences shaping political beliefsDavid Frum's childhood experiences in Toronto shaped his strong sense of the world's dangers and the protective role of external powers, leading him to the political right and eventually to working for George W. Bush.

      David Frum, a Canadian-born journalist turned politician, grew up in Toronto with a strong sense of the world's dangers and the protective role of external powers, particularly Britain and America. This perspective led him to the political right and eventually to working for George W. Bush. Frum's childhood was marked by the contrast between his secure upbringing and the terrors faced by refugees and survivors of oppression around him. His parents, who were Jewish immigrants from Russia and Poland, instilled in him an awareness of the fragility of freedom and the importance of collective security and democratic government. Despite his liberal leanings, Frum defends Bush as a humane and likable human being, and shares a story of Bush's kindness during a fundraiser in 2017. Frum is now a vocal critic of Trump and sees his potential return as a threat to democracy.

    • Unexpected Allies, Shared HumanityFormer diplomat Alistair Campbell found common ground with unexpected allies like George W. Bush through shared challenges and humanity, emphasizing the importance of staying open to new possibilities and understanding unique perspectives to build relationships.

      Despite political differences and tribal allegiances, former British diplomat Alistair Campbell found common ground with unexpected allies, such as George W. Bush, through shared challenges and a sense of humanity. Humor played a role in bridging divides, and understanding the unique perspectives of individuals helped Campbell build relationships despite political differences. The world's political landscape evolves, and it's essential to remain open to new possibilities and adapt to changing circumstances. The past's solutions may not always apply to present-day challenges, and new coalitions can emerge as a result. Additionally, Campbell emphasized the importance of collective security, free trade, and the alliance of democracies, which have shaped his political beliefs throughout his life.

    • Political instability under populist leadersPopulist leaders like Trump tap into feelings of grievance and despair, leading to political instability and policy inaction, but focusing on ideals relevant to the current situation and looking to the future can build new coalitions and prevent crisis

      The political landscape and the problems we face today are significantly different from those of the past, and a conservative approach that worked in the past may not be effective now. The rise of populist leaders like Donald Trump, who tap into feelings of grievance and despair, has been successful to some extent, particularly among older voters who fear decline and extinction. However, this approach has also led to political instability and policy inaction. If Trump were to return to the presidency, we could expect a crisis of legality and constitutionality, as well as a lack of policy progress on any front. It's crucial for new coalitions to be built around ideals that are relevant to the current situation, such as markets, trade, and collective security. Instead of focusing on grievances and despair, we should look to the future and believe in the potential of younger generations.

    • Political LandscapeUnderstanding voter irrationality and utilizing femininity in politics can help navigate the uncertain political landscape, while acknowledging economic developments and effective communication are crucial for maintaining public support.

      The current political landscape is uncertain and chaotic, with the potential collapse of American alliances and leadership. Trump's actions, such as imposing tariffs on allies and threatening the NATO treaty structure, could lead to mayhem and chaos. However, understanding the irrationality of voter behavior and acknowledging the importance of reality can help politicians effectively communicate and connect with the public. Trump's tactics appeal to the "lizard brain," and women politicians, especially those seeking the top job, need to recognize and use their femininity to their advantage. Biden, on the other hand, should focus on communicating the positive economic developments in the country to maintain public support. Despite the challenges, acknowledging the reality of the situation and utilizing effective communication strategies can help navigate the uncertain political waters.

    • Vance's political shiftImpressive Yale Law student J.D. Vance wrote for a conservative website under a pseudonym due to fear of backlash. His views shifted from conservative to radical after Iraq experience. In 2016, he organized a meeting to discuss cooperating with Trump presidency.

      The speaker met J.D. Vance around 2008 when he was a Yale Law student, impressed by his intelligence and ambition. Vance wrote for the speaker's conservative website under a pseudonym due to fear of backlash from classmates. The speaker admired Vance's ability to reflect back ideas in a more eloquent way. Vance's views shifted from conservative to more radical after his experience in Iraq. In 2016, Vance organized a meeting to discuss cooperating with the Trump presidency. The speaker, who identifies as socially conservative but more socially liberal on certain issues, gave a dinner for Jordan Peterson in 2018, where Vance was present. Despite their differing political views, the speaker acknowledges the importance of understanding and engaging with diverse perspectives.

    • Character and principles of those in powerUnderstanding the character and principles of those in power is vital for working with or analyzing their motivations. J.D. Vance's insights offer a perspective on Rust Belt voters, but remember the unique challenges and changing political landscape of these areas. Accurate intelligence and clear reasons are crucial for informed foreign policy decisions.

      When considering working for or understanding the motivations of individuals in power, it's crucial to consider their character and willingness to stand up for principles, even in the face of pressure. J.D. Vance's experiences and writings offer insights into the mindset of voters in the Rust Belt states, but it's important to remember that these areas have unique challenges, such as opioid addiction, and that the political landscape is changing. Regarding foreign policy, the Iraq War serves as a reminder of the importance of accurate intelligence and clear reasons for engaging in military conflict. It's essential to acknowledge the complexities of international situations and the limitations of our knowledge, while striving for informed decision-making.

    • Consequences of War: Caution and DiplomacyWar should be a last resort and diplomacy is crucial in international politics. Personal experiences can provide valuable insights and resonate with others. The consequences of military action can be significant and far-reaching, impacting domestic and international relations.

      War should be a last resort, and international politics require a cautious approach, regardless of specific knowledge about a place. The speaker expresses concerns about military action towards countries like Iran and Ukraine, and the potential influence of foreign powers on domestic politics. He also emphasizes the importance of making peace and avoiding protectionist policies. Personal experiences, such as the loss of a loved one, can provide valuable insights and resonate with others. The speaker encourages listeners to reflect on the consequences of actions and the importance of diplomacy and understanding.

    • Loss, human experienceLoss, particularly the loss of a loved one, is a universal human experience that leaves one feeling helpless and unable to communicate the depth of emotion to others, making it the great human equalizer.

      Loss, particularly the loss of a loved one, is a universal human experience. David Frum, a Canadian journalist and former White House speechwriter, shared his personal experience of losing his daughter and the profound impact it had on him. He described the feeling as a high-pressure pain that leaves one feeling helpless and unable to communicate the depth of the emotion to those who haven't experienced it. Frum's article about his loss was indirect, focusing on his bond with his daughter's dog and her sharp wit. He emphasized that loss is the great human equalizer and that we will all experience it at some point. Frum also touched on the connection between politics and journalism, particularly in the US, where individuals often move between the two worlds. He discussed his own political leanings and the links between politicians, media, and think tanks, noting that the right is more organized in this regard. Overall, Frum's interview provided a poignant and insightful look into the human experience of loss and the complexities of politics and journalism.

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