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    88. Freakonomics Goes to College, Part 2

    en-usAugust 15, 2012

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    • The Risks and Rewards of a College EducationCollege education can boost earnings, but high costs and completion risks make it a tough decision. Consider individual circumstances and career goals.

      While a college education can provide significant financial benefits over a lifetime, the upfront costs and uncertainty of completion make it a risky investment. Economists estimate that each additional year of education can increase earnings by around 8%, but the rising costs and completion risks can make the decision to attend college a challenging one. This was explored in a recent episode of Freakonomics Radio, which featured interviews with economists, a former FBI agent discussing the market for fake degrees, and a recent college graduate sharing her experiences. Ultimately, the decision to attend college should be based on individual circumstances and career goals, rather than societal pressure.

    • College Graduates' Earnings Can VaryIndividual experiences with college graduation and employment vary, and while financial benefits exist, non-financial aspects like networking and personal growth should also be considered.

      While the statistical evidence supports the notion that college graduates generally earn more over their lifetimes than those without degrees, individual experiences can vary greatly. Many graduates may struggle with unemployment or underemployment after graduation, making the financial benefits less apparent. Luke Annabel, a friend of the speaker, is an example of this, as he studied economics in college but now works as a bartender in Tucson, Arizona. The escalating cost of college is a concern, but it's essential to distinguish between the sticker price and the actual prices being paid. The conversation around the value of college continues, and it's crucial to consider the non-financial benefits, such as networking and personal growth, when evaluating the worth of a college education.

    • Rising sticker prices for college tuition vs actual prices paidDespite increasing sticker prices, actual college costs for students have risen significantly due to labor-intensive expenses, financial aid, and price discrimination.

      While sticker prices for college tuition continue to rise at a rapid pace, the actual prices paid by students, after scholarships, financial aid, and other forms of assistance, have not increased as much. Harvard, for example, has a high sticker price but offers financial aid to make attendance affordable for working-class students. The rising sticker prices can be seen as a form of price discrimination, charging the wealthy more for college. However, the majority of the tuition revenue goes towards faculty and staff salaries, health care, and other labor-intensive costs. The increase in tuition has led to concerns about affordability for the middle class, but the net tuition, which is the actual price paid by students, has also risen significantly. The complex situation requires careful consideration of various factors, including the differences between private and public institutions.

    • Considering the Costs of College Beyond TuitionEconomist David Card advises families to reduce college costs creatively by considering options like living at home, attending public schools, or working part-time. The decision to attend college versus starting a career is complex and requires careful consideration of both financial and personal implications.

      While the returns to education are substantial, attending college comes with significant costs beyond just tuition. The opportunity cost of not working during those college years is an essential consideration. For families weighing the decision to send a child to college, economist David Card advises thinking creatively about reducing costs. This could mean living at home, attending a public school, or working part-time while in college. However, the decision to attend college versus starting a career is a complex one. Some individuals, like the speaker himself, may have considered alternative paths only to find themselves in college due to unforeseen circumstances. Ultimately, the choice to attend college requires careful consideration of both the financial and personal implications.

    • Is College Worth It for Every Student?The value of college education varies for each student based on their unique circumstances, interests, and career goals.

      While college generally offers numerous benefits such as higher earning potential, better health, and increased happiness, the decision to attend college is not a straightforward one. Economists like Justin Wolfers and Stevenson acknowledge that college is not the best choice for every student. The value of college education can be debated, especially for students who struggle academically or are more inclined towards vocational training. The returns on investment for such students may not be as clear-cut as for those who excel academically. Ultimately, the decision to attend college should be based on an individual's unique circumstances, interests, and career goals. The value of a college education may not always be evident in the classroom but can manifest in various ways throughout one's life.

    • The value of college education lies in critical thinking skillsEconomist Steve Levitt and Biddy Martin emphasize the importance of college education in developing critical thinking abilities, but the economic value compared to vocational or technical training is still debated.

      The value of a college education may not necessarily lie in the specific knowledge or skills taught in the classroom, but rather in the development of critical thinking abilities. Economist Steve Levitt, who has spent 15 years teaching at the University of Chicago, shared that while he cannot recall much of what he learned in college, he can identify a handful of students who credit him with helping them learn how to think. Biddy Martin, president of Amherst College, also emphasized the importance of education in developing problem-solving skills and critical thinking abilities. However, the economic value of a liberal arts education compared to vocational or technical training is still a topic that economists have not fully explored. The returns on real skills education are clear, but the intangible benefits of a liberal arts education, such as the ability to think critically and adapt to new situations, are more difficult to quantify. Expectations and experiences may play a significant role in the value of a college education, and the focus should be on helping students learn how to learn and think for themselves.

    • Embracing new perspectives in educationCollege exposes students to diverse ideas and people, fostering personal growth and valuable friendships.

      Education is not just about acquiring new knowledge, but also about encountering new perspectives and experiences that can challenge and transform one's beliefs and assumptions. This can be a source of fear and resistance for some families, particularly when it comes to sending their children off to college and encountering diverse ideas and people. However, this transformative process is an essential part of learning and growing, and can lead to valuable friendships and a greater appreciation for the richness and complexity of the world. Ultimately, the best students leave college with an openness to new experiences and a willingness to embrace the unfamiliar.

    • The Value of Education: Beyond Financial GainExplore education for personal growth, reducing ignorance, and fostering understanding, rather than solely for financial reasons.

      While the value of higher education is debatable, it is generally considered a worthwhile investment for personal growth and future opportunities. The speaker expresses concern for young people who may not have a clear reason for pursuing education beyond the prospect of financial gain. However, they also acknowledge the high cost of college and the pressure to justify the investment. The speaker advocates for the importance of education in reducing ignorance and fostering understanding, leading to a better quality of life and potential for happiness. Ultimately, the decision to attend college should be based on personal interests and goals, rather than just financial considerations. The podcast, Freakonomics Radio, explores various aspects of economics and human behavior, and this episode touches upon the value of education and its impact on individuals' lives.

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