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    Blake Robbins – Investing in Gaming - [Invest Like the Best, EP.180]

    enJune 30, 2020

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    • Growth of Free-to-Play Games and Tencent's DominanceFree-to-play games like Fortnite and League of Legends are driving growth in the gaming industry, transforming it into a platform. Tencent leads the way with acquisitions of major studios.

      The gaming industry is experiencing significant growth, particularly due to the shift towards free-to-play games like Fortnite and League of Legends. These games, which can be played on various devices with low requirements, have attracted a massive audience and transformed gaming from a hit-driven business into a platform. Tencent is currently the most prominent player in this space, having acquired significant stakes in major studios like Epic and Riot Games. However, there is still potential for up-and-coming companies to make an impact in this rapidly evolving industry. Additionally, listeners are encouraged to take a brief survey at investorfieldguide.com/forward/survey to help shape the future direction of the Invest Like the Best podcast.

    • Free-to-play games with in-game cosmeticsFree-to-play games like Fortnite, League of Legends, and Counter Strike make money through the sale of in-game cosmetics, creating vibrant in-game economies and secondary markets for rare items.

      The gaming industry has seen a significant shift in monetization methods, with many popular games, such as Fortnite, League of Legends, and Counter Strike, offering free-to-play experiences. These games make money through the sale of in-game cosmetic items, which do not affect gameplay but allow players to customize their characters and show off their spending to others. Companies like Valve, Epic, and Riot Games have built successful businesses around these models, creating vibrant in-game economies and secondary markets for rare items. Counter Strike, for instance, allows players to trade and sell skins, with some rare ones fetching high prices. Other games, like Fortnite and League of Legends, capitalize on limited-time events and rare items to drive sales. This evolution in gaming monetization has moved away from the traditional model of buying a game outright and instead offers ongoing opportunities for players to engage and spend.

    • Digital Economies in Gaming: Self-Expression through Cosmetic ItemsGaming economies driven by cosmetic items allow players to express themselves and contribute to game growth through trading and gambling, with Fortnite's Skull Trooper skin being a sought-after example.

      In the world of gaming, cosmetic items like skins have become a significant driver of revenue for game companies, allowing players to express themselves digitally without affecting the game mechanics. One rare example is the Skull Trooper skin in Fortnite, which despite being digitally reproduced infinitely, is highly sought after by players. Companies manage these economies by controlling the supply and demand of these items, sometimes even preventing the sale of accounts. In some games, like Counter-Strike, these items have gained real-world value through gambling sites, where players can trade and gamble with virtual items. This not only adds excitement to the game but also contributes to the growth of the player base. Players use these skins as a form of self-expression, with certain skins symbolizing different aspects of a player's identity within the game community. Overall, the economies of digital items in gaming are a fascinating experiment in economics, providing endless opportunities for players to engage with the game on a deeper level.

    • The intersection of video games and gambling in CS:GOThe value of in-game items in CS:GO can be influenced by gambling opportunities, leading to economic instability within the gaming community.

      The intersection of video games and gambling, as seen in the case of Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (CS:GO) skins and gambling sites, can lead to significant economic fluctuations within the gaming community. The value of in-game items can skyrocket due to gambling opportunities, but when regulatory actions are taken, the economy can crash. Esports, as a whole, is a growing industry with various games, each with their unique business models and regulatory landscapes. For instance, Valve's CS:GO has a more independent tournament structure, allowing new teams to emerge and compete at the highest level. However, the lack of a fixed number of professional teams and the presence of gambling opportunities can lead to economic instability. The concept of esports franchises being valuable like Major League Baseball or NFL teams is still premature, but the potential for growth and the ever-evolving nature of the industry make it an exciting area to watch. One specific example of this is the esports organization 100 Thieves, which has seen success in various games and business ventures.

    • The evolution of esports from grassroots to a professional industryFrom a grassroots scene with no revenue sharing to a professional industry with regional leagues, world championships, and revenue sharing, esports has transformed over two decades, attracting investors and creating opportunities for teams to build their brands.

      The esports industry has evolved significantly over the past two decades. Initially, it was a grassroots, open scene with no revenue sharing for teams, and teams relied on sponsors for revenue. StarCraft and Counter-Strike are examples of this era. However, around a decade ago, League of Legends emerged, and Riot spearheaded a change by creating regional leagues and a world championship, leading to more stability and revenue sharing. This shift attracted more investors. In contrast, Activision Blizzard attempted to force Overwatch into an esport with a franchise league from the start, charging hefty fees for spots. 100 Thieves, an esports team active in Counter-Strike, Fortnite, and League of Legends, was founded during this period of change when investors, including Ludlow, started to view esports as a viable investment opportunity. The uncertainty around franchising led them to consider building their own team, but they ultimately chose a hybrid approach by acquiring the dormant brand 100 Thieves, tied to a popular YouTube influencer named Nadeshot.

    • From failure to success with the right backingIn esports, having a clear vision and the right backing can turn a failed team into a successful business with shared revenue and collaborative growth.

      Successful partnerships in the esports industry require a strong team with a clear vision and the right backing. Nadeshot, a former professional gamer and YouTuber, tried to build an esports team, 100 Thieves, in 2015 but failed due to lack of management support. In 2018, Dan Gilbert's team saw potential in the brand and proposed a partnership. After extensive discussions and interviews, they secured a spot in the League of Legends franchising and formed a collaborative business model. The partnership has been successful, with teams working together and a shared revenue pool. Esports is becoming more like traditional sports, with fanatical fan bases and a growing media landscape. The industry is still evolving, but the potential for revenue through sponsors, media rights, and fan engagement is significant. Nadeshot's story highlights the importance of teamwork and the right backing in the rapidly growing esports industry.

    • Creators Building Businesses Around ThemselvesInfluencers are transitioning from relying on sponsorships to creating and selling their own products, offering opportunities for investors in the early stages of these businesses.

      The relationship between media businesses, opportunities for creating businesses in media, and influential people, particularly content creators, is evolving. As creators become more savvy and realize they have distribution and an engaged audience, they're looking to build businesses around themselves rather than just relying on sponsorships. This trend is already evident in industries like beauty and coffee, where influencers are creating and selling their own products. The future may involve platforms that help these individuals white label their products or services. For investors, opportunities lie in the earliest stages of companies, even before they have a playable demo, as building platforms becomes a key focus. However, the scale advantages and economies of incumbent leaders in media and gaming make investing in more established companies a significant challenge.

    • Empowering Creators in the Gaming IndustryCompanies like Roblox and tools for easy game creation are shifting investment towards platforms that empower creators in the gaming industry, enabling those who never had the opportunity before.

      We're witnessing a significant shift in investment towards platforms that empower creators, particularly in the gaming industry. Companies like Roblox, which allows teenagers to create games and sell items within their universe, represent the future of the creator economy. This trend is not limited to content creation platforms like YouTube and Twitch, but also extends to the medium itself. Tools that enable creators to easily build games, such as drag-and-drop game creators, will become increasingly important. This approach not only competes with larger incumbents but also empowers those who never had the opportunity to build games before. The best example of this is mobile game studios like Voodoo, which create multiple games and funnel them to each other for growth. Engines like Unity and Unreal, which are starting to rival movie-quality graphics, are in an excellent position to power the back end of these platforms. Overall, gaming is still in its first inning as an ecosystem, and we're starting to see it emerge as a platform rather than a hit-driven movie-like business. These games are becoming the third place, where people spend significant time and engage with each other.

    • Investing in gaming and the creator economyInvestors focusing on game investing and supporting emerging trends in the creator economy stand to benefit from potential successes in the future of work and online multiplayer gaming.

      The gaming industry, particularly in the realm of free-to-play, online multiplayer games, is where young people are spending their time and building friendships. This trend has been overlooked by some investors, but those who focus specifically on game investing and take on early risks stand to benefit from potential successes like Fortnite. Funds such as Play Ventures and investors like Benchmark and Andreessen Horowitz have shown success in this area. Additionally, the future of work and the creator economy are also areas of interest for investors, as people increasingly seek to pursue their passions and be rewarded for their skills outside of traditional 9-5 jobs. The Internet enables this trend, and investors who recognize and support it stand to gain from the growing gig and creator economies.

    • Monetizing Passions on the InternetIndividuals can turn skills into income streams on platforms like Etsy, Substack, Twitch, and YouTube. Success relies on audience growth and understanding platform nuances. Infrastructure layer companies support growth.

      The Internet is providing new opportunities for creators and small businesses to monetize their passions and hobbies. Platforms like Etsy, Substack, Twitch, and YouTube are enabling individuals to turn their skills into income streams. This trend is expected to continue, with potential growth in areas like education and baking. The success of these creators often relies on their ability to grow their audience and understand the nuances of these platforms. Infrastructure layer companies, such as Twilio, Stripe, and Shopify, are also crucial in enabling these businesses by focusing on non-core competencies and providing excellent services. We are still in the early stages of this shift, and there is significant opportunity for innovation and growth in this space.

    • Enablers of Startups: Companies that help businesses focus on core competenciesInvesting in enabler companies that provide infrastructure or services allows businesses to focus on their core competencies and unlock significant value, resulting in mutual growth.

      Companies that provide enabling infrastructure or services for other businesses, often referred to as the "enablers of startups," offer significant value and growth potential. These companies, such as Twilio for communications, Plaid for financial data, Unreal and Unity for gaming, and daily.co for video chat, allow businesses to focus on their core competencies while the enablers handle the underlying infrastructure. This results in a win-win situation where the enablers help new businesses emerge and also benefit from their growth. The trend of companies paying for these enabling services instead of building everything in-house is becoming more prevalent across various industries, including health insurance and manufacturing. By identifying and investing in these enablers, one can unlock a lot of value and help new businesses thrive.

    • Focus on core competencies or building an audience/infrastructureTo succeed, focus on what sets your business apart or build an audience/infrastructure for others. Specializing and offering essential services can lead to success in a rapidly evolving tech landscape.

      In today's business landscape, focusing on core competencies and building an audience or infrastructure are the two best ways to succeed. Core competencies refer to what sets a business apart and is essential to its success. Building an audience, on the other hand, is invaluable for any endeavor, whether it's a business or a personal project. As technology continues to evolve, there will be more opportunities for businesses to specialize and offer essential services to others. One example is Truepill, which powers the back end of telemedicine companies, allowing them to focus on marketing and customer engagement. The speaker emphasizes that young people should aim to be either the audience or the infrastructure provider. He also shares his personal experience with investing in 100 Thieves, a gaming team and brand that has evolved into a popular luxury brand within the gaming space. Despite being a small team, the speaker believes that transferring his unique skill set or mindset to another person would be challenging, even for the most talented individuals.

    • Discovering niche communities leads to unique business opportunitiesPassion for discovering new areas and subcultures can lead to identifying emerging markets and insights into future trends in industries like gaming and esports. Aligning incentives between publishers, developers, teams, and players is crucial for success.

      Curiosity and a deep understanding of niche communities can lead to unique business opportunities and insights into the future. The speaker's passion for discovering new areas and subcultures has led them to identify emerging markets, such as the PC building community and the evolving landscape of esports. In the gaming industry, the open versus closed ecosystem for esports is an ongoing question, with publishers and game developers recognizing the value of esports beyond marketing. The challenge is aligning their incentives with those of esports teams and players. The speaker expresses gratitude for mentors and partners who took a chance on them early in their careers, emphasizing the importance of betting on young talent.

    • Investing in gaming and infrastructure: cloud gaming, esports, and digital infrastructureIdentifying and investing in emerging areas like cloud gaming, esports, and digital infrastructure early can lead to significant returns

      Potential for significant opportunities in the gaming and infrastructure space in the coming years. Blake Robbins, the founder of Blue Cloud Ventures, shared his insights on this topic, highlighting three key areas of focus: cloud gaming, esports, and digital infrastructure. These categories are expected to see significant growth, and investing early in these areas could yield substantial returns. Another key takeaway is the importance of trying to find opportunities early in emerging spaces. The whole point of investing is to identify promising areas and invest before they become mainstream. Blake made it clear that there will be opportunities to do just that in the gaming and infrastructure space. Lastly, if you're interested in staying updated on the latest ideas, quotations, and insights from the Investor Field Guide podcast, sign up for the weekly Inside the Episode email newsletter. You can sign up at investorfieldguide.com/forward/bookclub.

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    My guest today is Dev Ittycheria. Dev is the CEO of MongoDB, the developer data platform with tens of thousands of customers in 100 different countries. He joined the company as CEO in 2014, taking it public in 2017, and is now approaching a decade of leading MongoDB to become a go-to choice for the most sophisticated organizations around the world. We discuss Dev’s philosophy for constructing an exceptional enterprise sales organization, why he feels a leader must be incredibly judgemental to drive excellence, and how he plans to guide MongoDB through another technological transition. Please enjoy this conversation with Dev Ittycheria. Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, the only investment research platform built for the investor. With traditional research vendors, the diligence process is slow, fragmented, and expensive. That leaves investors competing on how well they can aggregate data — not on their unique ability to analyze insights and make great investment decisions. Tegus offers an end-to-end platform with all the data you need to get up to speed on a company or market: up-to-the-minute financials, customizable models, management and culture checks, and, of course, our vast and growing library of expert call transcripts. Tegus is changing the world of expert research. Learn more and get your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:03:39) A CEO's Perspective Of The AI Revolution (00:05:50) The Evolution of Apps From Trivial to Transformative (00:08:12) MongoDB's Journey From Startup to AI Era (00:10:03) Building a Modern Database Company: MongoDB's Story (00:13:19) The Long-Term Vision for MongoDB  (00:15:51) Dev’s Formative Experiences as a Tech CEO (00:19:18) The Art of Enterprise Sales (00:25:28) The Development of Dev as a Leader (00:29:01) Getting the Most Out of Your Talent (00:33:17) Managing a Multi-Product, Multi-Channel Enterprise (00:37:29) Dev’s Recruiting Philosophy (00:43:12) The Role of Leadership and Mentorship in Career Growth (00:46:08) Dev’s Deepest Worry With MongoDB (00:49:35) Personal Investment Philosophy and Identifying Potential (00:53:52) The Art of Leadership: Accountability and Development (00:57:50) Learning from Legends: Andy Grove's Management Insights (01:02:54) The Power in MongoDB’s Business (01:06:13) Up Next for Dev and MongoDB (01:08:34) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For Dev

    Nico Wittenborn - Finding the Adjacent Possible - [Invest Like the Best, EP.372]

    Nico Wittenborn - Finding the Adjacent Possible - [Invest Like the Best, EP.372]
    My guest today is Nico Wittenborn. Nico is the founder of Adjacent, a venture firm that looks for what he describes as the “adjacent possible” for their next investment. Nico has zoned in on the consumer subscription market as his ideal candidate, making early investments in Calm App, Photoroom, and Oura Ring. Nico does virtually all steps of the investing process on his own as he believes this allows him to be as close to finding the truth as possible. We discuss sharpening your intuition, evaluating the subscription business model, and exploring the adjacent possible. Please enjoy this conversation with Nico Wittenborn.  Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, the only investment research platform built for the investor. With traditional research vendors, the diligence process is slow, fragmented, and expensive. That leaves investors competing on how well they can aggregate data — not on their unique ability to analyze insights and make great investment decisions. Tegus offers an end-to-end platform with all the data you need to get up to speed on a company or market: up-to-the-minute financials, customizable models, management and culture checks, and, of course, our vast and growing library of expert call transcripts. Tegus is changing the world of expert research. Learn more and get your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:03:30) Intuition in Investment Decisions (00:05:08) The Philosophy of Adjacency in Venture Capital (00:12:51) Exploring Consumer Subscription Models (00:18:16) Common Mistakes In Subscription Pricing (00:22:41) Errors in Product Roll-Out Strategy (00:28:50) The Sucess of BirdBuddy (00:33:45) What It Means To Be a Great Product (00:38:21) Solo Investing vs. Being Part of a Big Firm (00:43:12) Building On Your Own Experience As a Founder (00:44:49) The Rise of Individual Investors and Their Impact (00:50:52) The Strategic Advantage of Staying Small in Venture Capital (00:52:02) Deep Dive into Founder Questions and Consumer Subscription Insights (00:54:09) Leveraging AI and Technological Advances for Growth (00:59:13) Exploring Future Investments and Market Opportunities (01:05:13) Areas to Explore On The Value Curve For Consumer Subscription  (01:12:32) Advice For Those Interest In Nico’s Path  (01:20:10) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done for Nico

    Mitch Rales: The Art of Compounding - [Art of Investing, Forever Episode]

    Mitch Rales: The Art of Compounding - [Art of Investing, Forever Episode]
    We are excited to share a great conversation with Mitch Rales, the co-founder of Danaher and one of the living legends in the world of business and investing. Consider that Danaher has annualized at over 21% for four decades, resulting in an 1800-times multiple on invested capital! This is Mitch's first long-form interview of any kind, and he covers his entire history and business philosophy. Interviewing Mitch are Paul Buser and Rick Buhrman, who host the Art of Investing podcast on the Colossus network. Please enjoy this comprehensive discussion with Mitch Rales. Listen to more Art of Investing. For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Passthrough. If you've ever filled out a subscription document to invest in a fund or worked with LPs to fill out their docs to invest in your fund, you know what a nightmare this exercise can be. Passthrough finally solves this problem. They configure custom workflows for your electronic subscription agreements and KYC & AML requirements to shrink the time for your investors to complete their sub docs. It's the best way to manage a critical part of your relationship with your LPs and is simply a drastically better experience for both investing firms and LPs alike. To learn more, go to passthrough.com. This episode is brought to you by Tegus, the only investment research platform built for fundamental investors. Whether you’re trying to get up to speed on a new market or keep tabs on a portfolio company, Tegus is the end-to-end investment research platform you need. With Tegus, you can quickly understand a company's business model, drivers, benchmarks, and management quality. To monitor an entire market, download our pre-built financial models — or update your own with the latest data using Tegus’ new Excel Add-In. Tegus gives you all of this and more, all bundled into a single software license. Find out why 95% of the top 20 global private equity firms are Tegus customers. Learn more and get your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Art of Investing is a property of Pine Grove Studios in collaboration with Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Art of Investing, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes (00:00:00) - Welcome to The Art of Investing (00:05:32) - The Philosophy Behind Glenstone's Creation (00:12:57) - Benchmarking and Continuous Improvement: Lessons from Danaher and Glenstone (00:21:22) - The Influence of Mitch’s Father and Upbringing (00:28:43) - Transforming Danaher During The George Sherman (00:30:39) - Embracing Long-Term Vision and Patience (00:36:47) - The Role of Leadership in Navigating Change (00:42:21) - Danaher's Evolutionary Journey: From 1.0 to 4.0 (00:56:37) - Building a Culture of Internal Growth and External Innovation (00:58:42) - The Art of Successful Acquisitions and Integration Strategies (01:03:03) - Seeking Leadership Qualities and Business Traits for Long-Term Success (01:06:14) - The Journey from Personal Experience to Philanthropy (01:13:10) - Investment Philosophy: Concentration vs. Diversification (01:29:46) - Operational Expertise as a Catalyst for Company Growth (01:34:17) - Identifying and Supporting Talent in Business (01:43:02) - The Impact of Secular Trends on Long-Term Investments (01:49:53) - Revitalizing the Washington Commanders (01:57:36) - Engaging with Fans and Building a Winning Culture (02:05:16) - The Importance of Long-Term Vision

    Marc Lasry - Making Bucks in Credit and Sports - [Invest Like the Best, EP.371]

    Marc Lasry - Making Bucks in Credit and Sports - [Invest Like the Best, EP.371]
    My guest this week is Marc Lasry. Marc is a pioneer of distressed debt investing and the CEO of Avenue Capital Group, which he co-founded with his sister in 1995. Avenue manages $13 billion today. More recently, Marc and Avenue have become active investors in sport. He owned the Milwaukee Bucks when they won the NBA championship in 2021, and has since made investments in sports as diverse as sailing and bull-riding. In our discussion, we talk about his journey building a big investing firm, the evolution of distressed investing, and the opportunities in sport today. Marc shares some great stories throughout about travelling with President Clinton, winning the NBA championship, and raising his first fund. Please enjoy this great conversation with Marc Lasry. Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, the only investment research platform built for fundamental investors. Whether you’re trying to get up to speed on a new market or keep tabs on a portfolio company, Tegus is the end-to-end investment research platform you need. With Tegus, you can quickly understand a company's business model, drivers, benchmarks, and management quality. To monitor an entire market, download our pre-built financial models — or update your own with the latest data using Tegus’ new Excel Add-In. Tegus gives you all of this and more, all bundled into a single software license. Find out why 95% of the top 20 global private equity firms are Tegus customers. Learn more and get your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like The Best (00:03:40) Marc Lasry's Early Confidence and Competence (00:06:03) Distressed Credit Evolution and the Allure of Sports Investing (00:08:15) The Milwaukee Bucks: A Championship and Investment Success Story (00:14:54) Exploring New Frontiers: Bull Riding and Women's NCA (00:18:33) Venturing into Sailing with Larry Ellison's League (00:22:27) The Economics of Sports Team Ownership (00:25:19) The Vast Universe of Sports-Related Investment Opportunities (00:29:36) The Evolution of Distressed Investing (00:34:05 The Common Thread Through Marc’s Business Endeavors (00:40:24) Marc’s Most Memorable Investment (Not Including The Bucks) (00:43:40) The Dynamics of Working with Family in Business (00:45:32) Finding Happiness and Perspective Amid Financial Success (00:51:03) Diving into the World of NBA Owners (00:55:19) Exploring New Ventures: Sports, Real Estate, and Beyond (00:59:03) The Art of Deal-Making and Navigating Risks (01:06:10) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done for Marc

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