Logo
    Search

    Burned from the Mind’s Eye, Part 2

    enOctober 15, 2019

    Podcast Summary

    • Exploring the future role of AI and present technology advancementsFocus on real advancements in technology transforming industries and making the world more accessible, rather than questioning the plausibility of psychic photography.

      Artificial intelligence is expected to play a significant role in shaping the future, as explored in the Technically Speaking podcast. Meanwhile, in the present, technology continues to change our world, such as the all-new Hyundai Santa Fe enabling family adventures. However, when it comes to the concept of psychic photography, the idea of mentally projecting images onto external objects without physical means raises skepticism. The plausibility of this notion is questionable, as there's no clear explanation of how consciousness, assumed to be an electromagnetic field, would translate into a 2D image or provide a survival advantage. Instead, we should focus on the real advancements in technology that are transforming industries and making the world more accessible.

    • The Complexity and Limitations of Mental ImageryMental imagery is more complex and vague than a simple 2D representation. It's an imperfect copy of physical objects with incomplete and hazy details.

      Mental imagery, such as picturing Garfield in your mind, is not as simple as a 2D grid of brain cells projecting an image like a computer screen. Instead, it's a complex process with a long history of philosophical and scientific exploration. Plato, for example, saw mental imagery as an imperfect copy of an imperfect object in the physical world, which is itself an imperfect representation of a perfect divine form. Modern neuroscience suggests that mental images are incomplete and vague, more like a hazy scanning of different elements rather than a fixed version. So, while we may believe we have accurate mental images, they are often more obscure and unfinished than we give them credit. For instance, while we can easily imagine a bicycle, explaining its functionality can be challenging. Overall, understanding mental imagery requires recognizing its complexity and limitations.

    • Plato vs Aristotle on Mental ImageryPlato saw mental imagery as important but not essential, while Aristotle believed it was essential for thinking. However, some people with aphantasia claim to think without mental images, challenging this notion.

      Both Plato and Aristotle had significant views on mental imagery and its role in thought. While Plato believed mental imagery was important but not necessary for thought, Aristotle argued that mental images were essential for thinking. However, the existence of individuals with aphantasia, who claim to be capable of thinking without mental imagery, challenges this notion. The history of mental imagery includes Descartes, who considered it fallible due to its potential for error, and the behaviorist school, which disregarded mental imagery due to its intangible nature. The idea that J.B. Watson, a prominent behaviorist, might have had aphantasia is an intriguing thought, as his dismissal of mental imagery could potentially be explained by his personal experience. Overall, the debate surrounding mental imagery and its role in thought continues to be a fascinating topic in philosophy and psychology.

    • Mental imagery: A complex cognitive process, not a simple motor habitMental imagery is formed through neural activity and processing in various areas of the brain, not by an internal observer or physical representation space.

      Mental imagery, the experience of creating mental pictures in our minds, is not a simple motor habit in the larynx, but rather a complex cognitive process. While it has been historically assumed that there is a physical representation space and perceiver within the brain for mental imagery, modern understanding suggests otherwise. The idea of an internal eye or observer inside the brain for mental imagery, known as the homunculus theory, is problematic as it leads to an infinite regress. Instead, mental images are likely formed through neural activity and processing in various areas of the brain. The pineal gland, which was once believed to be the seat of the soul and the source of mental images, is now known to produce hormones rather than generate mental images. Overall, mental imagery is a subjective experience that is best understood through scientific exploration rather than relying on outdated assumptions.

    • Exploring topics with brand sponsors: Astepro, eBay Motors, and Technically SpeakingLearned about Astepro's fast-acting allergy relief, eBay Motors' car part platform, and Technically Speaking's AI-focused podcast. Engaged in a mental exercise to imagine a Demogorgon.

      During this discussion, we explored various topics while being sponsored by different brands. Rob shared his experience using Astepro, a fast-acting nasal allergy spray that provides relief from nasal congestion, runny and itchy nose, and sneezing within 30 minutes. Astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid-free allergy spray, offering full prescription strength relief. Additionally, we heard about eBay Motors, a platform where you can find parts for your car to keep it running smoothly, ensuring no limit to how far you can take it. Lastly, we previewed Technically Speaking, an Intel podcast that explores the future of technology and its implementation using artificial intelligence. During the break, we asked listeners to imagine a Demogorgon, a fascinating entity with details that include two wheels, nine tentacles, three baboon heads, holding the sun in one hand and the moon in the other. This mental exercise serves as a reminder of the power of focusing our minds on intriguing images.

    • The brain's intricate process of mental imagery involves both the temporal lobes and occipital cortex.Mental imagery involves brain regions like the temporal lobes and occipital cortex, allowing us to engage in cognitively demanding tasks while mentally picturing things.

      When we mentally picture things, such as the Demogorgon or the Great Pyramids of Giza, our brain goes through a process that involves both the temporal lobes and the occipital cortex. The temporal lobes, located at the bottom and sides of the brain, help us store and recall visual information. When we imagine something, there's activation in these areas, which then triggers activity in the visual cortices of the occipital lobe, the same part of the brain that processes visual information when we see something with our eyes. The process of mental imagery is an inversion of seeing with the eyes, with signals cascading in opposite directions. Additionally, executive function in the frontal and pariatel regions of the brain is involved in intentionally calling up and holding mental images, requiring the suppression or diversion of visual processing resources from incoming imagery. This intricate interplay between different brain regions allows us to engage in cognitively demanding tasks, such as driving, while also mentally imagining rich visual worlds, but it comes with costs to each process.

    • Managing Mental Resources: The Battle Between External and Internal Visual InformationOur brains process both external and internal visual information, and the executive function in our frontal lobe helps manage these resources. Intentional or unintentional mental images can be helpful or distracting, and focusing on something physically present can help lessen the power of troubling images.

      Our brains constantly process both external and internal visual information, and we have the ability to control and manage these mental resources. While it's important to stay focused on the road when driving, our minds are naturally prone to wandering and generating mental images. These images can be intentional or unintentional, and they can be helpful or distracting. The executive function in our frontal lobe helps us manage these mental resources, allowing us to focus on external stimuli or internal imagery. However, if we're struggling with troubling or traumatic mental images, focusing our awareness on something physically present can help lessen their power. It's a constant battle for control of our brain's resources, and our brains have a partitioning system for processing both external and internal visual information. Understanding this can help us better manage our mental resources and stay focused in various situations.

    • Our perception and mental imagery are connected but not the sameOur brains can confirm or deny physical reality based on mental imagery, but mental imagery isn't a physical picture in the brain, it's just neuronal activity

      Our perception of the physical world and our mental imagery are interconnected, but they are not the same thing. Our brains have the ability to confirm or deny the presence of something we think we see based on our awareness and focus. The Persky effect is an example of how our mental imagery can influence our perception of the physical world, but it's not clear how robust this effect is. Additionally, using visual imagination can steal processing resources from normal visual perception, making it harder to consciously notice subtle images being projected in front of us. However, there is no evidence that mental imagery involves the brain building a physical two-dimensional picture of the image that could be projected onto an external substrate. Instead, imagery is coded through neuronal activity and cannot be seen anywhere in the brain as a physical image. This distinction between perception and mental imagery is important to understand, as it has implications for fields such as psychology, neuroscience, and artificial intelligence.

    • Mental imagery functions similarly to perception in the brainMental imagery shares some brain processes with perception but lacks the same level of clarity and detail

      Mental imagery, while not typically considered a form of perception, might be better understood as a weaker version of it. According to a 2015 study in Trends in Cognitive Sciences, mental imagery functions similarly to perception in the brain. However, unlike our five primary senses, mental imagery doesn't have the same level of clarity or detail. The idea of telepathic communication, such as thoughtography, remains a fascinating concept but is currently beyond our scientific understanding. Instead, we have more believable examples, like the gelflings from The Dark Crystal, who share mental images through a dream-like connection. While humans don't have the ability to project mental images directly onto another person or object, our use of language and art serves as a form of telepathy in its own right. Language allows us to encode and decode experiences, sharing them between individuals. The study of mental imagery and its relationship to perception continues to evolve, shedding new light on the complex workings of the human mind.

    • Understanding Mental Imagery: A Complex Cognitive ProcessMental imagery is a complex cognitive process involving different brain regions and mechanisms compared to actual visual perception. It shows less brain activity and is linked to working memory, but its relationship to consciousness is unclear.

      Mental imagery, or the ability to create mental pictures in our minds, is a complex cognitive process that involves different brain regions and mechanisms compared to actual visual perception using our eyes. Despite the similarities between the two, mental imagery shows less brain activity and blood flow, and it's still unclear whether we can picture things without being consciously aware of it. However, there are unconscious reasons for mental imagery, such as intrusive unwanted images, meditative states, and hallucinations. The link between mental imagery and working memory is strong, but it's not clear whether recalling visual characteristics of things always relies on mental imagery or if we have other ways of remembering them. For example, we might rely on verbal or semantic memory instead of picturing the thing in our mind's eye. Overall, mental imagery is a fascinating area of research that sheds light on the complex workings of our minds and the relationship between perception, memory, and consciousness.

    • Understanding the Complexity of Mental ImageryMental imagery can involve a blend of visual and descriptive language or even a combination of both, and our processing of it can be complex and multifaceted, especially for imagined or literary characters.

      Our mental processing of visual information, especially when it comes to imagined or literary characters, can be complex and multifaceted. While some mental images are primarily based on visual cues, others may involve a blend of visual and descriptive language or even a combination of both. The discussion also touched on the possibility of different types of mental imagery and how they might relate to our thinking about the past, present, and future. Overall, the conversation highlighted the intricacy of our mental processes and the richness of our imagination.

    • Exploring the potential of brain-computer interfaces and machine learning for decoding brain activity and translating it into external imagery or mediaResearchers are investigating technology that could allow us to search through digital images by mentally picturing them, create art without using hands, and potentially enable communication for those who can't speak or write, but ethical concerns must be addressed as accuracy and feasibility are still being studied.

      While the concept of psychic photography or the ability to project mental imagery onto external objects is intriguing, it's likely not a real phenomenon. Instead, researchers are exploring the possibility of using brain-computer interfaces and machine learning to decode brain activity and translate it into external imagery or media. This technology could potentially allow us to search through digital images by mentally picturing them, create art without using hands, or even enable communication for those who can't speak or write. However, the accuracy and feasibility of this technology are still questions to be answered. Researchers are currently working on developing computer algorithms that can match patterns of brain activity with external imagery, leveraging the similarities between looking at an image and mentally imagining it. While this technology holds exciting possibilities, it also raises ethical concerns that we'll need to address as it continues to develop.

    • Brain Activity to Images: A New Era of Digital ExperiencesResearchers are creating images from brain activity using fMRI and deep neural networks, potentially revolutionizing digital experiences with personalized and immersive interfaces, despite challenges and limitations.

      Researchers are developing technology to generate images based on brain activity using fMRI and deep neural networks. While the technology is still in its early stages and not very accurate for realistic images, it can identify abstract shapes and patterns with some success. The ultimate potential of this technology is vast, as it could lead to advanced user interfaces that can detect and respond to visual mental imagery, potentially revolutionizing how we interact with technology and content online. However, challenges remain, such as the limitations of relying on training and feedback, and the idiosyncrasies of individual brain activity. The technology may never reach the level of accuracy to project complex mental images, but if it does, it could lead to a new era of personalized and immersive digital experiences.

    • Machines and mental images: Ethical and privacy concernsThe potential benefits of machines reading mental images raise ethical and privacy concerns, including blurred lines of privacy, ownership, and consent. It's crucial to consider societal implications before embracing such technology, and remember the unique capabilities of human brains.

      The ability for machines to accurately read and replicate mental images from the human brain raises complex ethical and privacy concerns. While there may be potential benefits, such as aiding in investigations or enhancing artistic expression, the idea of machines invading our mental space is a dystopian concept for many. The blurred lines of privacy, ownership, and consent in this realm are significant. It's essential to consider the potential consequences and societal implications before embracing such technology. Additionally, it's crucial to remember the awe-inspiring nature of our brains' capacity for mental imagery, which continues to elude even the most advanced technologies. Instead of relying on machines to replicate our mental images, we should focus on honing our own abilities in areas like language, art, and communication.

    • Exploring Horror-Themed Episodes on Stuff to Blow Your MindListen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind for horror-themed episodes during October and for techno history throughout the year. Subscribe, rate, and review to support the show.

      The Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast, both the October-themed episodes and the Invention episodes, are filled with horror-related content. If you're new to the show, you can check out past October episodes on stufftoblowyourmind.com. Additionally, the Invention show also has October-themed episodes. The podcast is produced by iHeartRadio's How Stuff Works, and listeners are encouraged to subscribe, rate, and review. The podcast is sponsored by Visible, a wireless company offering unlimited 5G data for $25 a month. The podcast also features advertisements for Hyundai, The Michigan Chronicle Digital Daily, and The Motor Racing Network. The hosts thank their audio producer, Seth Nicholas Johnson, and encourage listeners to email them with feedback or suggestions. The podcast covers a variety of topics, including horror films and human techno history.

    Recent Episodes from Stuff To Blow Your Mind

    From the Vault: Do ants make traps?

    From the Vault: Do ants make traps?

    The trap is insidious. But of course it is. It was designed and executed… by ants? In this episode of Stuff to Blow Your Mind, the ant wars continue as Robert and Joe explore some of the possibility that a few formidable Formicidae species actually lay traps. (originally published 01/20/2022)

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Related Episodes

    On Video Games

    On Video Games

    Chances are, if you're reading this, you've played a video game before. They've pervaded our lives in significant ways. As a unique mix of technology and art-form, they tell us a lot about our cultures, and also have potential to drastically broaden our horizons. Let's investigate some video games.

    NeuroRight Arcades with Roel Heremans

    NeuroRight Arcades with Roel Heremans

    Step into the thought-provoking world where art, brain-computer interfaces (BCIs), and the concept of neurorights collide!

    Imagine a world where BCIs are ubiquitous but absent an ethical framework. How would you navigate such a reality? This captivating question lies at the heart of our latest episode of "Neurocareers: Doing the Impossible!" podcast, where we dive deep into the intersection of BCIs, art, and neurorights.

    Join us on a NeuroRights Arcade installation to explore the fascinating work of Roel Heremans, a visionary transdisciplinary artist with a unique and challenging journey into the world of art, neurotechnologies, and ethics. Roel's personal experiences have shaped his artistic expression and ignited a passionate exploration of the implications of BCIs and the importance of ethical considerations.

    Roel has created an innovative NeuroRight Arcade installation that pushes boundaries and invites participants to ponder the implications of living in a world without ethical guidelines for BCIs. Inspired by the concept of NeuroRights, Roel and their team have crafted a series of five interactive installations, each representing a different aspect of these rights. Participants don a real-time BCI headphone and step into a custom-made Arcade Machine, where their mental state becomes transparent and malleable. Through this immersive experience, Roel aims to evoke a visceral reaction, igniting a personal connection to the importance of NeuroRights.

    In our podcast episode, we delve into Roel's artistic journey, exploring the transformative power of transdisciplinary art and the profound impact of BCIs on our lives. We discuss the pressing need for ethical considerations and the thought-provoking conversations sparked by Roel's work. Together, we navigate the complex landscape of ethics, technology, and human autonomy, shedding light on the intersection where art becomes a powerful catalyst for meaningful discussions.

    Prepare to be captivated by this extraordinary exploration of BCIs, art, and the pressing issue of NeuroRights. Together with Roel Heremans, we embark on a remarkable journey, uncovering the interconnectedness of art, neurotechnologies, and ethical considerations.

    Don't miss out on this eye-opening episode! Tune in to the "Neurocareers: Doing the Impossible!" podcast and join us as we unravel the captivating world of BCIs, art, and the quest for a future grounded in ethical NeuroRights.

    About the Podcast Guest:

    Roel Heremans is a transdisciplinary artist known for his captivating works that explore the intersection of art, ethics, and technology. His artistic practice spans various mediums, including sound art, ethical videogames, composed introspection, and neurofeedback.

    Through immersive installations and sonorous, philosophical creations, Roel invites audiences to contemplate the profound ethical implications of emerging technologies. His thought-provoking pieces challenge viewers to engage with the complex relationship between art, ethics, and the ever-evolving technological landscape.

    With a deep commitment to exploration and pushing artistic boundaries, Roel Heremans has become a vital voice in the realm of transdisciplinary art. His innovative approaches and unique perspectives have garnered recognition and acclaim, making him a prominent figure in the field.

    To experience Roel's visionary world and delve into the thought-provoking realm of his art, explore the NeuroRight Arcades—a series of groundbreaking installations that offer profound insights into the ethical implications of technology. Discover the transformative power of Roel's artistic expression and join the conversation at the forefront of art, ethics, and technology.

    Learn more about the NeuroRights Arcade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWERHPdbA5Y

    Roel's Website: https://roelheremans.com/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roelheremans/

    Connect with Roel Heremans: https://www.linkedin.com/in/roelheremans/

    About the Podcast Host:

    The Neurocareers podcast is brought to you by The Institute of Neuroapproaches (https://www.neuroapproaches.org/) and its founder, Milena Korostenskaja, Ph.D. (Dr. K), a neuroscience educator, research consultant, and career coach for students and recent graduates in neuroscience and neurotechnologies. As a professional coach with a background in the field, Dr. K understands the unique challenges and opportunities facing students in this field and can provide personalized coaching and support to help you succeed.

    Here's what you'll get with one-on-one coaching sessions from Dr. K:

    • Identification and pursuit of career goals
    • Guidance on job search strategies, resume and cover letter development, and interview preparation
    • Access to a network of professionals in the field of neuroscience and neurotechnologies
    • Ongoing support and guidance to help you stay on track and achieve your goals

    You can always schedule a free neurocareer consultation/coaching session with Dr. K at https://neuroapproaches.as.me/free-neurocareer-consultation

    Subscribe to our Nerocareers Newsletter to stay on top of all our cool neurocareers news at updates https://www.neuroapproaches.org/neurocareers-news