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    Can Myth Teach Us Anything About the Race to Build Artificial General Intelligence? With Josh Schrei

    enJanuary 18, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • Understanding AI through the lens of mythologyMythology offers insights into the emotional and philosophical motivations behind the pursuit of AI, revealing our desire for determinism, belief in the inevitability of digital life, and curiosity about the unknown and potential godlike powers.

      The drive to create AI goes beyond technical and policy solutions, and is rooted in deeper emotional and philosophical motivations. These motivations include a desire for determinism, the belief in the inevitable replacement of biological life with digital life, and a sense of thrill and curiosity about the unknown and potential godlike powers. Mythology, with its exploration of human desires, cultural narratives, and the unknown, provides a useful lens through which to understand and contextualize the promise and peril of AI. By examining the historical and cultural contexts of our fascination with intelligent beings and the role of myth in shaping our understanding of the world, we can gain a deeper perspective on the implications of AI and its place in the larger human story.

    • Exploring the deeper human drives and motivations behind our fascination with AI through myths and storiesMyths provide a framework to understand the human values, identity, and actions shaped by the narrative of AI as a powerful, mythic force

      The implications of AI extend beyond rational policy and technical discussions, and can be better understood through the lens of myths and stories. Myths provide a framework to explore the deeper human drives and motivations behind our fascination with AI, which goes beyond just power and competition. They help us understand how narratives shape our values, identity, and actions. From the election of presidents to the evolution of societies, mythic narratives have played a significant role in shaping the world around us. Similarly, the narrative of AI as a powerful, mythic force has influenced its development, despite the known risks. Therefore, examining the myths and stories surrounding AI can provide valuable insights into its implications and help us navigate its future.

    • The Sorcerer's Apprentice: A Cautionary Tale for AI DevelopersAI development holds immense potential but requires careful consideration of ethical implications and potential unintended consequences.

      The development of artificial intelligence (AI) carries significant risks, yet those involved in the field are often driven by a mix of curiosity, ambition, and emotional desire. The ancient myth of The Sorcerer's Apprentice serves as a metaphor for this situation. In the story, an apprentice, given power beyond his control, unleashes chaos and struggles to contain it. Similarly, the creators of AI may be eager to explore new capabilities, but they must be mindful of the potential consequences. Historically, humans have grappled with the ethical implications of new technologies, and the Sorcerer's Apprentice story reminds us of the importance of caution and preparation. The AI field's leaders often cite determinism, the inevitability of digital life, and the belief that it will ultimately be a good thing as reasons for their pursuit. However, it's crucial to remember that, like the apprentice, we must be prepared for the unintended consequences of our actions. The allure of meeting the most intelligent entity ever created and the potential for immortality through digital existence can be compelling, but the risks must be carefully considered.

    • The desire for mystery and fear of annihilation drive advanced technology creationAdvanced technology development stems from human longing for the unknown and fear of destruction, posing ethical, societal, and psychological challenges.

      The drive to create advanced technologies, such as AI, stems from both a desire for mystery and a fear of annihilation, which can be seen as deeply religious impulses. Human beings have a longing for unpredictability and the unknown, and we have created technologies that surpass our capabilities, despite our previous belief in scientific rationalism and the absence of greater forces in the world. This psychology of building a god or summoning a demon, even with the best policies and agreements in place, poses a problematic relationship at the human level. The creation of advanced technologies carries the potential for great benefits, but also significant risks, and it is crucial that we approach this endeavor with careful consideration of the psychological, ethical, and societal implications.

    • The importance of human wisdom, responsibility, and emotional intelligence in an AI worldDespite AI's capabilities, human wisdom, responsibility, and emotional intelligence remain crucial. The access to vast info doesn't guarantee a better life or meaningful relationships. AI can be used for good but risks attention grab, monetization, polarization, and disconnection from reality.

      While technology, including AI, offers immense intelligence and capabilities, it does not replace the importance of human wisdom, responsibility, and emotional intelligence. The access to vast amounts of information does not automatically make our lives more livable or meaningful. In fact, it can lead to a waning attention span, emotional intelligence, and meaningful relationships. The human question of learning and putting into practice over time to be a better human being becomes even more challenging with the increasing availability of disembodied intelligence. While AI can be used for good, the overall ecosystem into which it is being thrust poses risks of attention grab, monetization, polarization, and disconnection from reality. This could lead to a computational veil of illusion, where humanity gets lost in the stories and projections created by technology, rather than staying grounded in the present and living in the world.

    • Balancing intelligence with wisdom in technological progressHistorically, young innovators may overlook the importance of discernment and patience. It's crucial to have voices advocating for a thoughtful and deliberate approach to new technologies, acknowledging potential risks and rewards, and minimizing unintended consequences.

      As we navigate the development and implementation of new and world-altering technologies, it's crucial to balance intelligence with wisdom. Historically, young innovators, driven by their eagerness and excitement, may overlook the importance of discernment and patience. However, without these qualities, the potential for unintended consequences and chaos increases. It's essential to have voices in the discussion advocating for a thoughtful and deliberate approach. This doesn't mean stifling progress but rather acknowledging the importance of containment and understanding the potential risks and rewards. Using the metaphor of fire, an ancient technology that requires patience and careful handling, we can learn to manage new technologies with the same care and attention. The architects of technological progress must act as guardians, containing the fire of innovation within a framework of wisdom and foresight. By doing so, we can harness the power of new technologies to improve our lives while minimizing the risks.

    • The influence of myths and initiation rites on AI developmentMyths and initiation rites shape our perspective on AI development, emphasizing the importance of community, humility, and ethical guidelines.

      The stories and myths we choose to embrace, including the development of AI, significantly influence the direction of our collective progress. The Greek myth of Prometheus, representing forward thinking and creativity, serves as a reminder that while human intelligence is powerful, we are still subject to the laws of nature. Myths and ideologies play a significant role in driving AI development, and it's essential to acknowledge this. Initiation rights, a traditional practice across cultures, serve as a means to ground individuals and remind them of their place in the larger community. During adolescence, these rites help bring young people down to size, emphasizing the importance of relationships and community over individual grandiosity. For instance, the ancient Greek Eleusinian Mysteries and the Native American Vision Quest are examples of initiation rites that aimed to connect individuals with the larger community and the natural world. These practices provided a framework for personal growth and learning, emphasizing the importance of humility and respect for the collective. In the context of AI development, understanding the role of myths and initiation rites can help us approach this technology with a more balanced perspective, recognizing its potential benefits while also acknowledging the need for responsible and ethical guidelines.

    • Embracing our role in the web of lifeRecognize personal growth requires connection with nature and ecological responsibility, not just intellectual achievements.

      Human growth and development go beyond intellectual achievements and require a deeper connection with nature and a recognition of our responsibilities towards it. This idea is reflected in various cultural narratives, such as Vision Quests and kung fu movies, where the young initiate is taught humility and the importance of accepting limitations. Hartmut Rosa's theory supports this notion, stating that our attempts to create a controllable world have led to its increasing unpredictability. The modern human tendency to prioritize individual desires and freedoms over ecological responsibility is an aberration in human history and insufficient for personal growth. Instead, we must embrace our role in the web of life and recognize that our actions have consequences for ourselves and the natural world.

    • The importance of elders guiding young people in ecology and ethicsElders and individuals must embody ethics and ecology through real-life relationships, while young people must examine motivations and seek a healthy ecosystem to grow in.

      Both individuals and elders have a responsibility to ensure that young people develop a deep connection to ecology and ethics beyond just learning about them in a classroom. Ethics needs to be experienced and embodied through real-life relationships. The cautionary tale of "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" can be reimagined with a non-devastating ending by emphasizing the importance of elders showing long-term vision and taking responsibility for guiding young people, while the apprentice must examine their motivations and seek a healthy ecosystem to grow in. This story serves as a reminder of the potential consequences of human overreach and the importance of deep reevaluations and recognitions of responsibility for all parties involved.

    • Exploring the Impact of Technology on Our Lives and Well-BeingThe Center For Humane Technology advocates for a humane tech future, emphasizing the need for individuals to make conscious choices about tech use and for policymakers and companies to prioritize user well-being. Listen to their podcast for insights on social media, mental health, and setting boundaries.

      The Center For Humane Technology is a non-profit organization dedicated to promoting a humane tech future. They believe that our undivided attention is a valuable resource that is being exploited by technology companies. The organization produces a podcast where they discuss various topics related to this issue, such as the impact of social media on mental health and the importance of setting boundaries with technology. They emphasized the need for individuals to take action and make conscious choices about their tech use, as well as for policymakers and tech companies to prioritize the well-being of users. The team behind the podcast includes Julia Scott as the senior producer, Kirsten McMurray and Sarah McRae as associate producers, Sasha Fegan as executive producer, and Jeff Sudhakin for mixing. If you're interested in learning more, you can find show notes, transcripts, and more information on their website, humanetech.com. They also encouraged listeners to rate the podcast on Apple Podcasts to help spread the word. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of considering the impact of technology on our lives and taking steps to use it in a way that promotes our well-being.

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