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    Colin DeYoung || Cybernetics and the Science of Personality

    enApril 05, 2018

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    • Exploring Personality Traits and Holiday Shopping SolutionsDiscover the five broad personality dimensions and shop smartly at UPS during the holiday season with Symbionica's natural supplements. Learn about PNC Bank's 'boringly brilliant' banking and Psychology Podcast's insights into the mind.

      During the holiday season, the UPS store is open and ready to help with all your packing and shipping needs. Meanwhile, Symbionica offers all-natural supplements that actually work, with no fillers or toxins. In the realm of personality research, the consensus is that there are five broad dimensions, or "factors," that describe the human personality. These are extroversion, neuroticism, openness, agreeableness, and conscientiousness. Understanding these traits can provide insights into our own behavior and relationships with others. PNC Bank takes a "boringly brilliant" approach to banking, while the Psychology Podcast, hosted by Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, provides insights into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity.

    • Beyond the Big Five: Understanding Complex Personality TraitsPersonality traits extend beyond the Big Five, with researchers discovering higher-order factors like stability and plasticity. Stability includes emotional stability, agreeableness, and conscientiousness, while plasticity combines extroversion and openness. Agreeableness is distinct from extroversion and represents altruism and cooperation.

      Personality traits are more complex than the popularly known five categories. While the Big Five - conscientiousness, agreeableness, neuroticism, extroversion, and openness to experience - are the broadest level of personality traits, researchers have discovered that they can be broken down into more specific traits. The Big Five are not entirely independent but have a regular pattern of association. Extroversion and openness tend to go together, while low neuroticism or emotional stability and high agreeableness and conscientiousness tend to go together. These two higher-order factors, stability and plasticity, are even bigger than the Big Five. Stability is the combination of emotional stability, agreeableness, and conscientiousness, representing social and motivational stability. Plasticity is the combination of extroversion and openness, representing flexibility and exploratory tendencies. It's important to note that agreeableness is a separate dimension from extroversion and is more about altruism and cooperation. The debate around the labeling of introversion in the Big Five is ongoing, with some suggesting it should be referred to as detachment instead. Overall, understanding the complexities of personality traits goes beyond the Big Five, and researchers continue to explore and discover new insights into the nature of these factors.

    • Modern understanding of introversion differs from Jung's theoryIntroversion is about being quiet and reserved, not just inwardly focused, and openness encompasses intellectual and imaginative traits, but they're not mutually exclusive.

      Jung's theory of introversion and extroversion, although influential, did not accurately capture the modern understanding of these personality traits. While Jung described introverts as inwardly focused and interested in imagination and fantasy, modern research shows that introversion is more accurately described as the tendency to be quiet and reserved, with less energy and enthusiasm. Openness, on the other hand, is the dimension that encompasses intellectual and imaginative traits. There is a weak positive correlation between extroversion and openness, but it does not rule out the existence of introverts who are also high in openness and intellect. However, it's important to note that people who identify as introverts often associate the trait with other positive qualities, such as empathy, sensitivity, and creativity, which fall under the agreeableness dimension. It's crucial to remember that a correlation does not imply a cause-and-effect relationship, and that personality traits are complex and multidimensional.

    • Understanding Introverts: Diverse Perspectives and ComplexitiesJung's theories on introversion were influenced by the creative individuals he encountered, but a more diverse range of introverts could have revealed distinct dimensions of personality. Dopamine's role in behavior and cognition is more complex than just a 'pleasure chemical'.

      Our understanding of introverts, as well as other personality traits, can be influenced by the specific groups of people we surround ourselves with. Jung, for instance, formed his theories about introverts based on the creative and imaginative individuals he encountered, leading him to believe that introversion was synonymous with high openness. However, had he encountered a more diverse range of introverts, he may have recognized that introversion and openness are distinct dimensions of personality, with some introverts exhibiting a strong interest in the outer world and others in the inner world. Furthermore, dopamine, often thought of as a "pleasure chemical," actually plays a more complex role in human behavior and cognition, acting as a neuromodulator of exploration and motivation, driving us to engage with the world and seek out new experiences.

    • The Role of Dopamine in Motivation and PersonalityDopamine influences motivation by regulating the cost of effort, with extroverts having a lower threshold leading to greater social engagement and risk-taking, while introverts conserve energy with a higher threshold.

      Dopamine plays a crucial role in motivation and desire, but it's not solely responsible for feelings of pleasure or excitement. Instead, those sensations are caused by endogenous opiates. Extroversion is linked to a more sensitive dopamine system, making extroverts more motivated by potential rewards and more socially engaged. Dopamine essentially regulates the cost of effort, signaling that an investment of energy could lead to a reward. Introverts, on the other hand, are more likely to conserve energy and are less socially engaged in unfamiliar situations due to a higher threshold for overcoming the cost of effort. However, extroverts also take more risks and get into more trouble because of their lower threshold for the cost of effort. Overall, understanding the role of dopamine in motivation and personality can provide insight into individual differences and behaviors.

    • Dopamine's role in extroversion vs intellectDopamine fuels social exploration through anticipated rewards (extroversion) and cognitive exploration through unexpected info (intellect).

      Dopamine plays a crucial role in both extroversion and intellect, but the ways in which it functions differ significantly. Extroversion is driven by dopamine's response to anticipated rewards, motivating behavioral exploration in social situations. On the other hand, intellect is driven by dopamine's response to unexpected information, encouraging cognitive exploration and learning. While there is evidence linking dopamine to the reward value of information, a direct connection between dopamine neurons and the salience network has yet to be established. Overall, the discussion highlights the complexity of personality traits and the intricate role of dopamine in shaping our behaviors and motivations.

    • Emotional salience network and conscientiousnessThe emotional salience network in the brain is linked to the personality trait of conscientiousness, regulating impulses and goal prioritization.

      The salience network in the brain, as neuroscientists commonly understand it, is primarily concerned with emotional salience and the generation of impulses, rather than just general information flow or attention direction as previously thought. This emotional salience network is related to the personality trait of conscientiousness, as it plays a role in regulating impulses and helping individuals prioritize their goals effectively. The field of neuroscience is increasingly recognizing the complexity of brain functions and the interconnectedness of various networks, and more research is needed to fully understand the specific functions and interactions of each network.

    • The default network's role in planning and goal settingThe default network, often linked to daydreaming, also plays a key role in planning, organization, and goal setting. Dopamine, a neurotransmitter related to motivation and reward, interacts with personality traits to support cognition and behavior.

      The default network in the brain, which is often associated with daydreaming and mind wandering, also plays a crucial role in planning, organization, and goal setting. This means that the default network is not just about internal thinking, but also about engaging with tasks in the external world. Additionally, dopamine, a neurotransmitter linked to motivation and reward, is related to personality traits such as industriousness and conscientiousness. These findings suggest that the brain's networks and neurochemicals interact in complex ways to support various aspects of cognition and behavior. The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) and other personality assessment tools, which are based on Carl Jung's theory of psychological types, continue to be popular despite scientific debates about their validity and reliability. Overall, the discussion highlights the intricacy of the brain and the importance of considering multiple perspectives when understanding complex psychological phenomena.

    • MBTI's limitations include categorizing personality into binary types and misalignment with current understandingMBTI's binary approach to personality categorization leads to inaccuracies and misalignment with modern personality science, which suggests personality traits exist on spectra rather than distinct categories.

      The Myers Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), despite being widely used, has limitations. It categorizes personality into binary types, such as extrovert or introvert, sensing or intuiting, judging or perceiving. However, modern personality science suggests that personality traits exist on spectra rather than distinct categories. This binary approach leads to inaccuracies, especially for individuals whose scores fall near the average. Additionally, the MBTI's division of personality space doesn't perfectly align with current understanding. For instance, the extroversion introversion scale is largely assessing modern extroversion, not the deeper inner life aspects that Jung intended. A more accurate assessment of personality would involve providing continuous scores along these spectra, rather than categorizing individuals into types.

    • Thinking and feeling are not mutually exclusive in personality assessmentsCompassion and intellect are positively correlated traits, and openness is a separate factor related to interests and emotional intelligence.

      The thinking-feeling dimension in personality assessments creates a false dichotomy between compassion and intellect. These traits are not mutually exclusive and people can be both compassionate and intellectual. The openness dimension, which is often confused with intellect, actually consists of two distinct factors: openness to experience and intellect. Openness is more related to interests in art, patterns, and aesthetics, while intellect is about being interested in intellectual matters and philosophical ideas. Compassion, on the other hand, is a subfactor of agreeableness. The correlation between compassion and both openness and intellect is positive, suggesting that there is a connection between understanding and reasoning about others' mental states and intelligence, as well as emotional intelligence. Seymour Epstein's experiential rational thinking styles also fit into this openness domain, with the experiential style being related to openness and compassion. Overall, it's important to remember that these personality traits are complex and interconnected, and it's possible for individuals to exhibit a range of traits rather than fitting neatly into one category.

    • Brain connections and compassion, openness, and self-conceptThe default mode network, related to compassion, openness, and self-concept, also links neuroticism to self-awareness and emotion regulation.

      Compassion and imagination are linked to specific patterns of connections in the brain, particularly the default mode network. This network is also related to the openness and intellect division, which allows us to imagine and understand others' experiences. The ability to have a strong self-concept is also part of this network. Additionally, there's a connection between neuroticism and a front region of the default network, which is related to self-awareness and evaluation. People with high neuroticism have less connection between this region and the amygdala, making it harder for them to regulate negative emotions. Cybernetics, a theory founded in the 1940s and 50s, explains how goal-directed systems, including organisms and machines, operate by adjusting themselves based on feedback from their environment. Applying cybernetics to the study of the Big Five personality traits reveals that human beings are goal-directed systems, and understanding the principles of cybernetics can provide insight into how these systems function.

    • Understanding Human Behavior through Cybernetic Big Five TheoryCybernetic Big Five Theory explains human behavior as goal-driven, with each personality trait representing unique mechanisms for pursuing goals, influenced by rewards and obstacles.

      Humans are complex cybernetic systems, driven by various goals, both basic and unusual. Our behavior is motivated by rewards and threatened by obstacles, allowing us to effectively pursue our goals. This cybernetic theory, known as Cybernetic Big Five Theory, suggests that each of the five major personality traits represents variations in fundamental mechanisms that aid in goal pursuit. This perspective was influenced by Jordan Peterson's ideas on goal-oriented minds and the work of neuroscientists like Jeffrey Gray, who explored the connection between personality and brain function. Although the focus is on biology, not neuroscience, it is related as both fields examine the underlying mechanisms that enable goal-directed behavior.

    • Foundational work of Harlow and Gray in personality and neuroscienceTheir research on extroversion, anxiety, consciousness, and cybernetics paved the way for understanding mental illness as a disruption in goal pursuit and basic need fulfillment.

      The work of Harry Harlow and Jeffrey Gray in the fields of personality and neuroscience, though some theories have been refined since their time, was foundational and generative. Harlow's theory of extroversion being linked to the arousal system in the brain, specifically the ascending reticular activating system, led to significant research in the field. Gray, a former postdoc of Harlow's, expanded on these ideas and made connections to anxiety, consciousness, and cybernetics. Together, their work paved the way for understanding mental illness as a disruption in cybernetic function, where individuals are unable to effectively pursue their goals or fulfill basic needs. Mental illness is not a categorical entity but rather a complex interplay of risk factors and disrupted functions. This perspective on mental illness as a disruption in goal pursuit and basic need fulfillment is a significant contribution to the field of clinical psychology and mental health.

    • Mental illness as a form of cybernetic dysfunctionMental illness is caused by an inability to adapt to the environment and achieve goals, stemming from cybernetic dysfunction. Biology, environment, and experience all contribute to this dysfunction.

      Mental illness is best understood as a form of cybernetic dysfunction, where individuals are unable to effectively adapt to their environment and achieve their goals due to a lack of new strategies or ways of thinking. This dysfunction can manifest in various ways, leading to different diagnoses, but ultimately stems from the same underlying issue. Biology plays a significant role in mental illness, but it is not solely determined by genetics. Environment and experience also shape behavior and can lead to lasting changes in the brain. Therefore, a comprehensive understanding and treatment of mental illness requires an integration of knowledge about both personality and neurobiology.

    • Identifying and changing unhealthy thought patterns for improved mental healthCognitive behavioral therapy helps individuals function better in daily life by addressing unhealthy thought patterns and goals, while medication only adjusts brain chemistry.

      While mental health issues have biological underpinnings, they are not static and can be changed through various means. Pharmaceuticals can be used to adjust brain chemistry, but they don't address the underlying thought patterns and goals that contribute to mental health. Cognitive behavioral therapy, on the other hand, helps individuals identify and change unhealthy thought patterns and goals, enabling them to function better in their daily lives. A recent study found that all types of therapy, including pharmaceutical treatment, have the effect of lowering people's neuroticism, or general tendency to experience negative emotions. Ultimately, the goal is to help individuals become functional in their daily lives before pursuing more transformative approaches to mental health. Jung's idea of therapy progression from confession and education to transformation supports this idea, emphasizing the importance of practical skills and functional living before delving into deeper, transformative work.

    • Effective Therapies for Reducing NeuroticismCognitive behavioral therapy, humanistic therapy, and acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT) can be more effective than pharmaceutical treatments for reducing neuroticism. ACT focuses on psychological flexibility and accepting thoughts with full acceptance and mindfulness, interrupting the sensitive mismatch detector in neurotic individuals.

      Certain therapeutic approaches, such as cognitive behavioral therapy, humanistic therapy, and acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT), can be more effective in reducing neuroticism than pharmaceutical treatments. ACT, in particular, focuses on psychological flexibility and accepting all thoughts with full acceptance and mindfulness. The cybernetic process, which involves setting goals, selecting actions, carrying them out, and comparing the results to the goals, plays a crucial role in understanding this. People high in neuroticism have a sensitive mismatch detector, leading to anxiety, inhibition, and giving up on goals prematurely. ACT therapy aims to interrupt this process, helping individuals cope with their thoughts and reactions more effectively, rather than abandoning their goals or assuming the worst. Essentially, it's about teaching people to be less judgmental of their own thoughts and reactions.

    • Exploring the benefits of mindfulness practicePracticing mindfulness can help break negative thought cycles, improve well-being, and open us up to new ideas and perspectives. Self-care, including retirement planning, sleep, and making a positive impact, is also essential for overall well-being.

      Practicing mindfulness, as taught in programs like Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR), can help us observe our thoughts and sensations without immediately categorizing and labeling them as good or bad. This non-judgmental awareness can help us break free from negative thought cycles and improve our overall well-being. The conversation between the podcast host and their guest, Colin, highlighted the importance of this practice and their long-term collaboration and friendship. This conversation, which often happens off the record, is just one example of the many valuable discussions that can occur when we open ourselves up to new ideas and perspectives. Listeners of the Psychology Podcast can benefit from these conversations as well, gaining insights and knowledge that can help them in their own lives. Additionally, the podcast host emphasized the importance of self-care, including retirement planning, getting a good night's sleep, and making a positive impact on the world.

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