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    Condorology (CONDORS & VULTURES) with Jonathan C. Hall

    en-usOctober 07, 2020

    Podcast Summary

    • Understanding the role of geography in ecology and wildlifeGrowing up in a supportive environment and having a strong interest in science led Dr. Jonathan C. Hall to become an expert in ecology and geography, allowing him to explore the fascinating world of vultures and their role in the ecosystem.

      Geography plays a crucial role in understanding why things happen where they do, as explained by Dr. Jonathan C. Hall, an assistant professor in the department of geology and geography at West Virginia University. He may specialize in ecology, but his work is deeply spatial in nature. Growing up in a privileged environment in Columbia, Maryland, Dr. Hall was always the nerdy kid with a strong interest in science. His parents, both working in education and public health, provided him with the resources and support he needed to pursue his academic passions. This background, along with his expertise in ecology and geography, makes him an excellent guide for exploring the fascinating world of vultures and their role in the ecosystem. So, whether you're a fan of birds, geography, or just looking for a fascinating conversation, tune in to learn more about these often misunderstood creatures and the important work being done to protect them.

    • Childhood fascination with nature leads to interest in California condorsGrowing up with a love for nature and observing condors' role as scavengers ignited a passion for these endangered birds.

      The speaker's fascination with the natural world was cultivated at a young age through experiences with owl pellets, fishing trips, and watching nature documentaries. This curiosity led them to be particularly drawn to predatory animals, including California condors. California condors are large, obligate scavengers that primarily feed on carrion, making them an intriguing and essential part of the ecosystem. The speaker's first encounter with a condor was a memorable experience, as they had grown up reading about the captive breeding program and were finally able to witness one in person. Condors are a unique and fascinating species, and their role as scavengers is crucial to maintaining balance in their ecosystem.

    • Condors: Large Birds with Impressive Wingspans and Social Scavenging HabitsCondors are large birds with social habits and scavenge for food from large animals, including mammals and marine mammals, due to their evolved size and ability to cover vast distances.

      Condors are large birds with impressive wingspans, reaching up to 9.5 feet for the California condor and 10 feet for the Andean condor. These birds are social and scavengers, feeding on dead animals, including large mammals and marine mammals. Condors evolved in environments with large mammals, which gave them an advantage due to their size and ability to cover large distances. Although some extinct species of condors were even larger, today's condors still find enough food sources in large animals like cattle and marine mammals. The environment and the availability of large food sources have contributed to the size of these birds.

    • Conservation Efforts for California Condors: A Success StoryThe California Condor population has grown from less than 30 in the mid-80s to over 500 today, with half living in the wild, thanks to dedicated conservation efforts and researchers like Dr. Hall.

      The conservation efforts for California Condors, a critically endangered species, have been successful in increasing their population from less than 30 in the mid-80s to over 500 today, with about half of these birds living in the wild. Researchers like Dr. Hall play a crucial role in this conservation effort, working closely with colleagues to study and protect the condors. These dedicated individuals, including Mike Wallace, Joseph Brandt, Molly, Steve Kirkland, Joseph Burnett, Darren Gross, and Evan McReeth, risk their safety to ensure the survival of these magnificent birds. The public can also engage with the conservation process by watching condor cams online, which provide a unique opportunity to observe these birds in their natural habitats as they raise their young. The California Condor population is divided into several centers, including Central California, Southern California, Grand Canyon, and Baja, Mexico. As a researcher, Dr. Hall has had the opportunity to travel and meet new people while making a difference in the world. His journey from wanting to be a veterinarian to becoming a condor researcher has been filled with adventure and discovery.

    • Igniting a Passion for Snake Venom ResearchFollowing passion can lead to groundbreaking discoveries and making a positive impact on communities. The speaker's interest in snake venom research was sparked by a mentor and the story of a self-injected snake venom expert, leading him to establish a lab to produce antivenom for communities.

      Passion and determination can lead to groundbreaking discoveries and making a positive impact on communities. The speaker's experience at Morehouse College ignited his interest in working with unconventional animals, leading him to aspire to become a snake venom biologist. He was inspired by the story of Bill Haast, who built up an immunity to snake venom through self-injection. The speaker's ultimate goal was to establish a research lab to produce antivenom for communities disproportionately affected by venomous snake bites. However, his desire to be in the field led him to study ecology, focusing on the effects of human activities on wildlife populations and conservation efforts. He was influenced by various mentors and experiences throughout his career, ultimately leading him to work on condor conservation. Through his journey, the speaker demonstrates the importance of following one's passion and making a difference in the world.

    • Unique adaptations of California condors for their carrion-feeding lifestyleCalifornia condors have pierced wing tags, acidic stomachs, resilient skin, and gripping feet for their carrion-feeding lifestyle. Public can learn about individual condors by noting their wing tag colors and numbers and visiting condorspotter.com.

      California condors are fascinating creatures with unique adaptations for their carrion-feeding lifestyle. Their wing tags are attached through a piercing process similar to ear piercings. Condors have a highly acidic stomach and resilient skin to protect against harmful microbes found in dead animals. Their feet, while looking intimidating, are not designed for killing like a predator's but instead help them grip and balance while perching. Additionally, the public can learn about individual condors by noting their wing tag colors and numbers and visiting condorspotter.com for their bios. An intriguing story shared was about Redwood Queen, a condor who was misgendered and bullied but later rose to the top of the dominance hierarchy and laid the first documented egg in a redwood tree.

    • Condor feet not designed for gripping preyCondors rely on vision, not smell, to locate carrion and have feet designed for balance and standing, not gripping.

      Condor feet are not as sharp or gripping as other birds of prey because they don't need to grip their prey since it's already dead. Instead, their feet are designed for balance and standing. However, a scratch from a Condor foot can still be intimidating and may carry bacteria, as described in a story about a colleague who was scratched by a vulture and had a disgusting experience. Condors have good eyesight to locate carrion, but unlike turkey vultures that primarily use their sense of smell, Condors rely more on their vision. When handling Condors, it's important to be careful and not wear gloves as they can hinder your ability to control the bird and keep it safe.

    • California Condors and the Anthropogenic LandscapeCalifornia condors face lead poisoning from ingesting spent ammunition, making it crucial to understand their movement patterns and feeding behaviors for conservation efforts, and California has banned lead ammunition sales for hunting to mitigate this issue.

      California condors, with their piercing red eyes and intelligence, have faced significant challenges in adapting to the anthropogenic landscape. Their primary threat is lead poisoning from spent ammunition, which they unintentionally consume when feeding on carcasses. The birds' large size and awkwardness on the ground make it difficult for them to avoid ingesting lead fragments. California has banned the sale of lead ammunition for hunting to mitigate this issue. Condors are cautious and usually don't feed on fresh kills, instead preferring to wait and observe from a distance to ensure their safety. Understanding their movement patterns and feeding behaviors is crucial for their conservation in the transformed landscape.

    • Factors affecting condor populationHunting and use of lead bullets negatively impact condors, but conservation efforts using copper bullets and other measures are helping to rebuild their population.

      Hunting for meat is not always a guarantee, as animals can escape or be inaccessible after being shot. Additionally, the use of lead bullets can have negative ecological consequences, as the toxins can accumulate in the food chain and harm top predators like condors. These factors, along with other environmental issues, have contributed to the low condor population. However, efforts are being made to address these issues, such as the use of copper bullets and conservation efforts to help the condor population rebuild. It's important for hunters and consumers to consider the ecological impact of their actions and make informed choices to minimize harm.

    • Handling California Condors with CareCalifornia condors are powerful birds that can be handled with care by controlling their head. They have a unique microbiome and are closely monitored to prevent predation. Young condors have a fuzzy patch and take 6-7 years to reach sexual maturity.

      California condors, despite their size and power, can be handled with care. The key is to control their head and once that's achieved, they become calm. Condors have a unique microbiome that helps keep harmful bacteria at bay, and when they die, it's the microbes that break down their bodies. Condors used to have a wider range but are currently closely monitored to prevent predation. Young condors may have a fuzzy patch on their noggin as they shed their down and grow their adult feathers. California condors can live up to 60-70 years and take 6-7 years to reach sexual maturity. Their heads change color during this period. The heads of condors feel like a ball sack or a skull.

    • California Condors' Diet and Human ImpactThe California Condor's survival relies on understanding and mitigating human impact on their habitats, as their diet primarily consists of carrion and they're susceptible to lead poisoning from contaminated prey.

      The California Condor's physical characteristics, such as their wrinkly, warm, and smelly scrotum-like pouch and their diet preferences, have similarities with other animals. However, their range expansion into new areas is currently limited due to human impact on ecosystems. The condors' diet primarily consists of carrion, and while the exact preference for freshness is unknown, it's assumed that they may avoid overly decomposed meat. Researchers are unsure if gut piles left by hunters are essential to their survival, but human-sourced food contributes significantly to their diet. Condors have faced extinction due to factors like DDT, which caused fragile shells, and lead poisoning from consuming lead-contaminated prey. Condor expert Dr. Hall also mentioned that their strong stomach acid can break down lead, making up to 60% of condor fatalities in the wild potentially attributable to this toxin. Overall, understanding and addressing human impact on condor habitats is crucial for their survival and range expansion.

    • Human Role in Condor and Large Ungulate ConservationHuman activities, particularly hunting, impact condor and large ungulate populations. Pleistocene rewilding introduces extinct species, but recognizing indigenous land restoration is essential for true ecological restoration.

      The conservation of condors and other large ungulates in California is interconnected with human activities, particularly hunting. The lack of large predators in the area means that humans play an important role in the food chain for these animals. Regarding Pleistocene rewilding, it involves introducing species that flourished before colonization to restore ecosystems. However, it's crucial to acknowledge the restoration of indigenous lands and cultures when discussing species restoration. European settlers' expansion and colonization led to significant ecological transformations, and ignoring the restoration of indigenous cultures is a missed opportunity for true ecological restoration. Additionally, condors cover vast distances, making their restoration a complex issue, especially when it comes to indigenous lands.

    • Complex jurisdiction and responsibility questions for condor managementAs condors expand their range, complex jurisdiction and responsibility issues arise, including who pays for treatment if a condor ingests lead ammunition outside of regulated areas.

      The management and ownership of condors, which have cultural significance for various tribes and are currently being reintroduced in different regions, raises complex questions regarding jurisdiction and responsibility when birds cross borders. For instance, who pays for treatment if a condor ingests lead ammunition outside of areas with such legislation? These are just some of the difficult conversations that need to be had as condors expand their range. Additionally, researching condors can be dangerous, as one researcher's team encountered a mountain lion in a trap, which put them in a precarious situation.

    • The Importance of Community and Representation in STEMCommunity and representation are crucial in STEM fields for individuals from diverse backgrounds to thrive and contribute valuable perspectives, overcoming challenges and limiting the impact of exclusion.

      Working in STEM fields, especially as a person of color, can present unique challenges and fears, but it's important to persevere and support each other. Vincent's experience of being the only black person in the field and facing the danger of a mountain lion highlights the importance of community and representation. The speaker's favorite aspect of his job is working with students, especially those from underrepresented backgrounds, as they bring valuable perspectives and experiences to the table. He encourages black individuals in STEM to continue pursuing their passions, acknowledging the challenges but emphasizing the importance of their contributions to the field. The lack of racial diversity in STEM fields can limit perspectives and approaches to problems, making it crucial for individuals from diverse backgrounds to be included. Overall, the conversation underscores the importance of community, representation, and perseverance in overcoming challenges in STEM fields.

    • Embrace Unique Perspectives, Be a True Ally, and Recognize the Value of Racial Justice WorkIndividuals from underrepresented backgrounds should hold onto their unique perspectives, white individuals can be true allies by learning about race and putting themselves at risk, and racial justice work requires meaningful compensation

      It's crucial for individuals, particularly those from underrepresented backgrounds, to hold onto their unique perspectives and ways of approaching problems in their fields. This can be a challenge as there's pressure to conform to dominant ways of valuing knowledge. White individuals can support this effort by becoming true accomplices, putting themselves at risk and learning about the ways race functions in everyday life. Another important lesson is the need for meaningful compensation for the labor of racial justice work. Debating with those who deny the existence of racial injustice or privilege can be draining, and institutions should recognize and compensate individuals for their valuable contributions. Ultimately, creating a more diverse range of voices and experiences is essential for dismantling systems built on white colonization.

    • Valuing unique perspectives and expertiseRecognize and value individuals' worth and expertise, ask for fair compensation, acknowledge emotional labor, ask questions, learn, support, and promote experts, and engage in conversations through resources like 'You Are That' and the Ologies Facebook group.

      It's important to recognize and value the worth and expertise of individuals, particularly those who bring unique perspectives and experiences to the table, especially when it comes to addressing systemic oppression. This can include asking for fair compensation for their time and knowledge. The speaker also highlighted the exhaustion and emotional labor involved in these conversations and the importance of acknowledging and addressing it. Additionally, the importance of asking questions and learning from experts was emphasized, as well as the importance of supporting and promoting these individuals in their work. The speaker also encouraged listeners to check out resources and platforms where they can learn more and engage in these conversations, such as the podcast "You Are That" and the Ologies Facebook group.

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