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    Courage to have the tough conversations in the COVID-19 Pandemic

    aaApril 16, 2020

    Podcast Summary

    • Fundamental limits of technology in end-of-life care during COVID-19Despite advancements in technology, providers must prioritize patient care over technological limitations during end-of-life care in the pandemic.

      Technology has its limits when applied to biology, especially in the context of end-of-life care during the COVID-19 pandemic. Dr. McDonough, a ER physician and researcher, shared his experience in neuroscience research where he encountered challenges with tissue interfacing. This awareness of the fundamental limits of technology in medicine has been a theme in his clinical practice for almost 20 years. Western culture's expectations of constant medical advancements and the high cost of sophisticated pharmaceuticals can obscure these limitations. In the current pandemic, where resources are stretched and emotionally charged conversations are difficult, it's essential for providers to be aware of these realities and prioritize patient care above all else.

    • Highlighting the importance of end-of-life care discussions amidst the COVID-19 pandemicThe pandemic underscores the need to reconsider healthcare as a business and prioritize end-of-life care discussions for a more comprehensive system

      The COVID-19 pandemic has highlighted the importance of addressing end-of-life care discussions, which are an ongoing issue for the large population of Americans who die each year, not just those affected by the pandemic. The current projections suggest that COVID-19 deaths in America will be around 60,000, which is roughly equivalent to a severe flu year. However, the economic impact of COVID-19 is significant. Hospitals are facing huge deficits due to the reduction in outpatient surgeries, which are a major revenue source. This situation underscores the need to reconsider the healthcare system as a business, as it creates perverse incentives for everyone involved. The pandemic has brought attention to the importance of addressing end-of-life care and the need for a more comprehensive healthcare system.

    • The Ethical Dilemma of Healthcare during a PandemicDuring a pandemic, focusing on resources isn't the only solution. Ethical dilemmas arise for doctors and acknowledging limits of medical interventions and open communication is crucial.

      The current for-profit healthcare system in the United States, which is the only developed country without a nationalized healthcare guarantee for everyone, has been put under the spotlight during the COVID-19 pandemic. The lack of resources like PPE and ventilators raises questions about who is responsible – the government or private institutions. However, the speaker argues that focusing on having more resources is not the solution. Instead, we should acknowledge that we have less control over the world than we think and that doctors face an ethical dilemma when choosing different treatment pathways for themselves and their patients. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of language used in end-of-life discussions, avoiding phrases like "there's nothing more we can do" and encouraging families to ask about specific treatments and their benefits. Overall, the discussion highlights the need for a more nuanced approach to healthcare and end-of-life care, recognizing the limits of medical interventions and the importance of open communication.

    • Understanding Family Requests in Critical CarePhysicians must interpret family requests in critical care situations, prioritize appropriate care, establish rapport, and avoid over-treatment.

      When families ask for "everything" to be done in a medical situation, they are often expressing fear and a desire for all possible resources to be used, not a request for harmful treatments without benefit. Physicians have a responsibility to interpret these requests and prioritize appropriate care based on the individual patient's needs. In critical care situations, the urgency of the context can help guide decision-making, but it's important to establish rapport with families and have open conversations about goals of care. Over-treatment, such as unnecessary compressions on a deceased patient, can cause harm and should be avoided.

    • Discussing End-of-Life Care: Balancing Control and BurdenPhysicians should take responsibility for explaining end-of-life care options, avoiding labels that give families a false sense of control, and acknowledging the emotional burden of decision-making.

      Physicians should be mindful of the emotional burden they place on families when discussing end-of-life care decisions. Labels like Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) or allowing natural death can give families a false sense of control over life and death decisions. This can lead to long-term psychological distress for family members. Instead, physicians should take responsibility for explaining the limits of medical interventions and the role of disease in making decisions. Predicting the future is difficult, and aggressive care can offer a chance for recovery but not necessarily a return to better health. In cases of premorbidly healthy patients with uncertain futures, a default to aggressive care can be helpful, but it's essential to remember that care cannot restore health beyond pre-illness levels.

    • Making tough decisions for critically ill patientsDoctors should consider a patient's overall clinical condition, previous wishes, and engage in open conversations with families to provide less invasive, selective care that aligns with the patient's goals.

      In the medical field, making decisions about the level of care for critically ill patients can be challenging, especially when they have multiple comorbidities and their quality of life is already poor. It's essential to consider the patient's overall clinical condition and their previous wishes regarding end-of-life care. In the emergency department, it's difficult to make quick decisions about care, and it's crucial to avoid the inertia of continuing aggressive treatment without reevaluating the patient's condition. Instead, doctors should engage in open conversations with families to understand the patient's best days and consider less invasive, selective care options. This approach can help prevent unnecessary interventions and ensure that care aligns with the patient's wishes and goals.

    • Approaching end-of-life care with sensitivity and compassionWhen caring for elderly patients with multiple comorbidities, it's essential to consider comfort-centered care over aggressive measures to ensure dignity, peace, and acceptance during end-of-life.

      The decision to provide aggressive care or supportive care, including the use of ventilators, can be challenging. However, when dealing with elderly patients with multiple comorbidities and low baseline function, it may be more appropriate to focus on comfort-centered care rather than aggressive measures. Such decisions can be met with relief from families when the conversation is approached with honesty and sensitivity. The definition of heroism in healthcare has shifted from performing heroic measures to creating an environment for dying with dignity, peace, and acceptance. Learning to have end-of-life conversations is a heroic act that requires courage and compassion. It's essential to remember that we never give up on our patients, but sometimes shifting focus to comfort-centered care is the most compassionate and effective way to ensure they receive the best possible care.

    • Caring for Severely Wounded Patients: More Than Just Medical ExpertiseAcknowledging a patient's love and dedication to their loved one's care can shift their perspective, and providing hospice care can be the most loving option when healing is not possible. COVID-19 adds challenges, requiring virtual conversations and emotional support for patients and families.

      Caring for severely wounded patients and their families requires not only medical expertise but also emotional validation and understanding. A patient's love and dedication to their loved one's care can be a powerful motivator, and acknowledging their efforts can shift their perspective from adversarial to trusting. However, it's important to remember that not all wounds can be healed, and providing hospice care can be the most loving and considerate option, allowing patients to die peacefully at home with their families. The COVID-19 pandemic has added unique challenges to end-of-life care, including the need for virtual conversations between patients and healthcare providers. Caring for these patients and their families can be emotionally and mentally taxing for healthcare providers.

    • The psychological impact of COVID-19 may last longer than the illness itselfThe pandemic's indirect effects, including isolation, loss, economic hardship, and political divisiveness, can lead to significant mental health issues like anxiety, depression, and suicide. Community support and unity are crucial in response.

      The psychological impact of the COVID-19 pandemic may be longer-lasting than the illness itself. Secondary traumas, such as isolation, loss, and economic hardship, are expected to cause significant mental health issues, including anxiety, depression, and suicide. The lack of community connection due to social distancing measures adds to the problem. Furthermore, political divisiveness and transference of anger towards authorities can further exacerbate the situation. The example of Taiwan's effective response to the pandemic, with its focus on expert advice, early action, and clear communication, offers a contrast to the challenges faced in managing the indirect effects of the pandemic. Overall, it is crucial to recognize and address the psychological toll of COVID-19, and to prioritize community support and unity in response.

    • Collective sacrifice for greater good during crisesDuring crises, individual rights can be sacrificed for the greater good, aided by technology like geofencing and geolocation. Informed decisions, not misinformation or personal beliefs, are crucial.

      During times of crisis, the collective sacrifice of individual rights for the greater good can significantly aid experts in tracking diseases and mitigating their impact. The use of technology, such as cell phone geofencing and geolocation, can be instrumental in this process. This was demonstrated during the COVID-19 pandemic, where people willingly gave up their privacy to help track the disease's spread. However, it's crucial to recognize the importance of being informed and not making decisions based on misinformation or personal beliefs that disregard the impact on others. This was illustrated through the comparison of the anti-vaccination movement and the current pandemic situation. Historically, diseases like smallpox have shaped humanity, and the eradication of smallpox serves as a testament to what can be achieved through a concerted social effort. It's essential to remember that not all challenges can be solved solely through private enterprise, and government intervention, with the consent of the people, can lead to impressive technological triumphs and a reduction in human suffering.

    • Physicians' Role in End-of-Life Care: Reality vs. TVPhysicians should educate themselves and patients about CPR's limited success and prioritize humanity, compassion, and effective communication in end-of-life care decisions during the pandemic.

      Physicians have a crucial role in providing accurate information to patients about the effectiveness of various treatments, especially in end-of-life situations. For instance, CPR is not as effective as portrayed on TV, and its success rate depends on the context. Physicians need to educate themselves and their patients about the realities of different treatments and their outcomes. Another important takeaway is that physicians should prioritize humanity, respect, and compassion in decision-making, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic. This includes considering the role of chaplains or family presence in end-of-life care to maintain human connection. Additionally, physicians must be aware that their own medical knowledge and experiences may lead them to recommend less treatment than non-medical individuals, and it's essential to communicate effectively with families about reasonable care options.

    • True heroism in healthcare goes beyond saving livesTrue heroism in healthcare includes creating a dignified end-of-life experience for patients and their families, shifting mindset towards compassionate palliative care, and seeking support when needed.

      True heroism in healthcare goes beyond just saving lives or preventing infection. It also involves creating a context for a dignified end-of-life experience for patients and their families. This can be just as heroic as saving lives, and it's crucial for the well-being of both patients and care teams. It's essential to keep the patient's interests at heart and educate the team to shift their mindset towards a more compassionate and supportive approach to palliative care. As more people have positive experiences with hospice, the stigma of giving up will fade, and hospice will be seen as a life-affirming choice. Doctors, who are more familiar with the realities of patient care, make informed decisions based on the limitations of medical care. For healthcare providers struggling, reaching out to support structures is a courageous act.

    • Help is available for those in needRenowned neurosurgeon Dr. Sanjay Gupta encourages healthcare professionals to reach out for support during challenging times, as numerous therapists are ready and willing to help.

      Help is readily available for those in need, especially for healthcare professionals who are going through challenging times. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, a renowned neurosurgeon and CNN Chief Medical Correspondent, shared in a recent broadcast that there are numerous therapists ready and willing to assist individuals who are struggling. He himself has expanded the hours at his institution in California to accommodate physicians and nurses who are finding it difficult to cope. Therefore, if you're feeling overwhelmed, don't hesitate to reach out for support. There is no need to feel alone in your struggle. Remember, it's okay to ask for help. Take care of yourself and prioritize your mental health.

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