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    David Simon, Creator Of The Wire, On AI, Television and the WGA Strike

    en-usMay 22, 2023

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    • Impact of 2007 Hollywood writers' strike on TV showsThe 2007 writers' strike led to unexpected outcomes in scripted series, including the salvation of 'Breaking Bad' character Jesse Pinkman, and debunks the myth that it initiated the reality TV era

      The 2007 Hollywood writers' strike had a significant impact on the television industry, leading to unexpected outcomes in various shows. During the strike, many scripted series faced production halts, causing plot lines to be interrupted or abandoned. However, the situation also presented an opportunity for creators to reconsider their decisions. For instance, the character Jesse Pinkman from "Breaking Bad" was initially planned to be killed off, but the writers changed their minds during the strike, ultimately saving his life. This incident highlights how unforeseen circumstances can influence the creative process and the outcomes of a story. Despite the common misconception that the strike ushered in the era of reality TV, it's essential to remember that many successful reality shows had already been on the air for several years before the strike occurred.

    • Disputes between writers and studios over technology's impact on screenwritingThe entertainment industry's transformation through technology, from DVD sales to AI, continues to spark debates and uncertainty among writers, leading to potential strikes and long-lasting conflicts.

      The entertainment industry, specifically screenwriting, has undergone significant transformations, leading to disputes between writers and studios. In the late 2000s, the debates centered around the impact of technology, particularly DVD sales and the rise of streaming. Fast forward to today, and the role of artificial intelligence in screenwriting is causing controversy. The writers express uncertainty about AI's capabilities and potential implications. This echoes the debates from the 2007 strike, when the industry was undergoing a different type of transformation. David Simon, the creator of "The Wire," believes the current strike will be a long-lasting fight, as the writers grapple with the unknowns surrounding AI. These ongoing disputes highlight the ever-evolving nature of the entertainment industry and the challenges that come with adapting to new technologies.

    • The importance of mentorship in TV writingDecades ago, mentors like Tom Fontana provided hands-on learning opportunities, but now these experiences are rare, leaving many writers unprepared and struggling to adapt to the demands of TV writing.

      The experience of writers in the television industry has significantly changed, with the lack of mentorship and hands-on learning opportunities being a major concern. David Simon, a veteran TV writer, shared his experience of starting in the industry decades ago and the benefits he received from having a mentor like Tom Fontana. This included being sent to the set, casting, and editing, which made him more competent and advanced in his writing. However, these opportunities are no longer guaranteed or even written into contracts due to the industry's focus on cost-cutting and maximizing profits. This shift in priorities has left many writers feeling unprepared and struggling to adapt to the demands of television writing. The lack of formal mentorship and hands-on learning opportunities is a pressing issue that needs to be addressed in order to ensure the continued success and growth of the television industry.

    • Television Industry Changes: Shorter Preproduction Periods and Unsustainable Writer's ModelThe TV industry is shifting towards shorter preproduction periods and a writer's model that doesn't pay based on time commitment, making it difficult for writers to earn a living

      The television industry is undergoing significant changes, with Wall Street analysts and CEOs pushing for cheaper production methods. This has led to the elimination of traditional standards, such as the size of writing rooms and the length of employment contracts. For instance, instead of having a standard preproduction room that lasts for several months, studios now offer "mini rooms" that only last a few weeks. During these mini rooms, writers are expected to come up with ideas and then go off on their own to write scripts without any guarantee of employment or payment. This model is unsustainable for writers who want to make a living in television, as they cannot survive on the limited salary offered during these short engagements. The speaker argues that writers should be paid based on the time commitment rather than the number of episodes produced. This would provide writers with the stability and income they need to build a career in television writing.

    • Writers' strike over fair compensation for term employment and streaming residualsWriters are fighting for fairer compensation during the ongoing strike, focusing on term employment and streaming residuals in the television industry's shift towards streaming platforms.

      The ongoing writers' strike is centered around term employment in the television industry. This means hiring writers for a specific period to work on set and in editing, which is crucial for making fundamental decisions about writing during production. However, residuals from streaming platforms are currently minimal compared to broadcast television, and writers are fighting for a fairer compensation formula. This is not a new issue; it was also a topic of debate during the shift from cable to streaming. The industry has historically been hesitant to commit to new technologies, but writers are pushing for fairer deals as streaming becomes the primary delivery system for content. Throughout their careers, writers have had to adapt to new technologies, and the current strike is an effort to ensure they are fairly compensated for their work in this new era.

    • The Importance of Human Creativity in Storytelling vs AIDavid Simon emphasizes the importance of human creativity in storytelling and expresses concerns about the potential risks of relying too heavily on AI, including the loss of originality and the potential for corporations to produce content without consent.

      Key takeaway from this conversation between David Simon and Ari Shapiro is the importance of human creativity in storytelling and the potential risks of relying too heavily on AI. Simon expresses his belief that AI cannot match the fundamentally creative level of human writers. However, he acknowledges that AI could be a useful tool for generating ideas or providing inspiration. Yet, he emphasizes the importance of preserving the integrity and originality of a writer's work, and expresses concern about the potential for corporations to use AI to produce content without the consent of the original creators. Simon also expresses his opposition to the idea of a contract that involves any role for AI in the creation of stories. He believes that such a development could lead to a devaluation of storytelling and a proliferation of unoriginal content. Overall, Simon's perspective highlights the importance of human creativity and the potential risks and limitations of relying too heavily on technology in the realm of storytelling.

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      Staying informed about current events, especially those that may impact your finances, is crucial. Washington Wise, a podcast from Charles Schwab, provides insights into Washington news and its potential financial implications. Meanwhile, during election seasons, the NPR Elections Hub offers a closer look at the issues and people involved, allowing us to make informed voting decisions. On a different note, Mint Mobile offers an affordable solution for wireless services, with premium plans starting at just $15 a month. Inflation may be high, but you can save on your phone bill. To learn more about these topics and more, visit Schwab.com/washingtonwise, NPR.org/elections, and Mintmobile.com/switch.

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