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    Democrats Against Journalism, and COVID Truth Revealed, with Stu Burguiere, Dave Marcus, David Zweig, and Isabel Oakeshott | Ep. 509

    enMarch 10, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Government overreach and deceit during COVID-19Governments leaned into authoritarianism during COVID-19, spying on citizens and planning deceptive measures. Journalists fought back, but were met with disdain by Congress. Learning from these events is crucial to prevent future mistakes.

      During the COVID-19 pandemic, there were numerous instances of government overreach and deceit, both in the US and abroad. Governments leaned into authoritarianism, and some individuals fought back against these unconstitutional edicts. For instance, in California, county officials spied on churchgoers who refused to stay home, even infiltrating their prayer groups. In the UK, a journalist betrayed the trust of a government official by revealing his WhatsApp messages discussing plans to unleash a new strain to enforce mandates. Despite the efforts of a few journalists, such as David Zweig and Michael Shellenberger, to expose these truths, Congress showed disdain for actual journalism, as seen in the treatment of Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberger during a hearing. It's crucial to remember these events and learn from them to prevent similar mistakes in the future.

    • Testimonies of journalists reveal government cooperation in Twitter content moderationGovernment involvement in Twitter's content moderation raises concerns about free speech and truth in public discourse, emphasizing the importance of open-mindedness and factual evidence.

      During a recent congressional hearing, two journalists, Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberger, testified about their findings from internal Twitter documents, revealing government cooperation in suppressing certain views on the platform. Their testimonies were met with criticism and disbelief from some Democratic representatives, including Delegate Stacy Plaskett, who labeled them "so-called journalists" without evidence. This incident highlights the polarized political climate and the importance of open-mindedness and factual evidence in public discourse. The journalists' findings, which include government influence on Twitter's content moderation, have raised concerns about free speech and the role of government in shaping public opinion. Despite the controversy, it is crucial that we continue to examine these issues and seek the truth, rather than resorting to partisan attacks.

    • Journalist refuses to reveal sources during Congressional hearingJournalists cannot reveal their sources without violating ethical principles, even during Congressional hearings.

      The line between journalism and sources can be blurred, and the protection of sources is a fundamental principle in journalism. During a Congressional hearing, a journalist was asked to reveal a source, but as a journalist, he couldn't do so without violating that principle. The journalist in question, who has won numerous awards and authored several bestselling books, was being questioned about his interactions with Elon Musk regarding the Twitter files. The journalist explained that he didn't ask for sources but rather disseminated information based on what he deemed important. The congressional committee's ranking member pressed for the journalist's sources, but the journalist refused, citing the importance of protecting sources. The incident highlights the tension between the desire for transparency in government and the need to protect journalistic sources. The journalist's career and past affiliations with reputable media outlets were also brought up during the hearing, but the journalist's commitment to protecting his sources remained unwavering.

    • Democrats disregard free speech and journalistic role during hearingSome Democrats at a House Oversight Committee hearing disregarded free speech and the role of journalists by interrupting and questioning their objectivity, while emphasizing the importance of protecting Americans from misinformation.

      During a House Oversight Committee hearing, some Democrats displayed a disregard for free speech and the role of journalists in a democratic society. Stacey Plaskett, the ranking member from the Virgin Islands, ignored Matt Taibbi's attempts to answer her questions and continued to speak over him. Democrats argued for the importance of protecting Americans from misinformation, but seemed to forget that this cannot be achieved without a free press. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a former Democratic National Committee chair, questioned Taibbi's objectivity and accused him of being spoon-fed information, despite acknowledging that this is a common occurrence in journalism. These interactions highlight a concerning disconnect between the importance of free speech and the role of journalists in holding power accountable and the actions of some Democrats during the hearing.

    • Government's Attempts to Suppress Journalistic ContentThe government's efforts to suppress journalistic content through third-party intermediaries like social media companies is a violation of the First Amendment and a dangerous path towards censorship.

      The government attempting to suppress journalistic content through third-party intermediaries like social media companies is a violation of the First Amendment. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a government official, attempted to discredit journalists like Taibbi and Greenwald by questioning their motivations and suggesting they're "money whores." However, her misunderstanding of journalism and the First Amendment is concerning. The government's efforts to suppress speech, even if it's true but deemed "misinformation," is a dangerous path towards censorship. The use of NGOs as intermediaries to suppress voices is a workaround to achieve this goal, and it's a slippery slope towards limiting free speech. It's crucial to recognize the importance of protecting the First Amendment and the role of journalists in holding those in power accountable.

    • Media outlets and individuals seek to control online conversations with funding from NGOs and the US governmentSome media outlets and individuals collaborate with NGOs and the US government to censor speech on social media platforms, shaping online conversations and raising questions about journalistic independence and the complexities of the industry.

      Journalism, while having a public service element, is also a business that relies on advertisers for revenue. This was discussed in relation to the practices of certain media outlets and individuals, including The New York Times, CNN, and Matt Taibbi. Taibbi's reporting exposed how some NGOs, like the National Endowment for Democracy, the Atlantic Council's DFR Lab, Hamilton 68's creator, the Alliance for Securing Democracy, and even the Aspen Institute, have been aggressively trying to censor speech on social media platforms. These organizations, some of which receive funding from the US government, have held regular meetings with tech firms and law enforcement to control online conversations. Notably, Prince Harry was also a commissioner of one of these groups. The discussion underscored the complexities of the journalism industry and the need to be aware of the various players and motivations at play.

    • Social Media and Fact-Checking: Bias and Circular ThinkingSocial media platforms and fact-checking organizations shape public discourse, but their deference to left-leaning funding and suppression of opposing viewpoints can lead to bias and circular thinking. Determining disinformation and promoting ideological diversity are crucial steps towards accurate and unbiased information.

      The role of social media platforms and fact-checking organizations in shaping public discourse and information has become a contentious issue. Prince Harry's attempt to silence critics on Twitter and the platform's deference to fact-checking sites like PolitiFact, which have left-leaning funding, highlights the potential for bias and circular thinking in these processes. The elevation of credentialed authorities like Anthony Fauci during the COVID-19 pandemic and the suppression of opposing viewpoints have led to a lack of accountability and transparency. The interview with Renee de Restre from the Stanford Internet Observatory shed light on the challenges of determining what constitutes disinformation and the need for more ideological diversity in these organizations. The solution to these issues remains unclear, but acknowledging the problem and fostering open dialogue and inclusivity are crucial steps towards promoting accurate and unbiased information.

    • Fact-checking organizations' influence on social media promotes accurate info but chills speechFact-checkers' power to reduce content visibility or ban it can stifle free speech, particularly for smaller outlets, leading to lost revenues and time spent refuting inaccurate checks. Regulation is needed to address inconsistencies and potential targeting of conservative speech.

      Independent fact-checking organizations have significant influence over what content gets promoted on social media platforms, which can lead to a chilling effect on speech, particularly for smaller outlets. These organizations can reduce the visibility or even ban content they deem inaccurate, resulting in lost advertising revenues and time spent refuting bogus fact checks. This situation can stifle free speech, as some editors are choosing not to run certain stories due to the potential financial and time costs. The lack of regulation in this area is concerning, as it appears these organizations are disproportionately targeting conservative speech. However, there is a valid argument for manipulating search results to prevent the spread of harmful or inaccurate information. The ongoing inconsistency in the perception of certain public figures, like Elon Musk, further highlights the issue's complexity. The upcoming release of Donald Trump's book, "Letters to Trump," may lead to copyright infringement lawsuits due to the principle that letter writers, not recipients, retain the copyright in their texts. Overall, the power dynamics at play in the digital media landscape warrant careful consideration and regulation.

    • Trump vs. DeSantis: A New Rivalry at CPACTrump supporters fear establishment figures, Trump distinguishes himself, DeSantis needs to challenge Trump effectively without losing base support.

      At CPAC, there's a significant number of Trump supporters who fear a return of career politicians and establishment figures to the Republican Party more than another term of Joe Biden. Trump is expected to distinguish himself further from the mainstream and paint potential rivals like DeSantis as part of the old guard. Trump's legal issues, such as a possible lawsuit from Oprah and an alleged campaign contribution to Stormy Daniels, may provide him with valuable publicity. DeSantis, on the other hand, will need to navigate attacking Trump while appealing to his base. This dynamic recalls the Rocky 3 fight between Rocky and Thunderlips, where Rocky initially underestimates his opponent but eventually realizes the importance of the fight. DeSantis will need to find a way to effectively challenge Trump without losing the support of his voters.

    • Calvary Chapel vs Santa Clara County: A Dystopian Battle Over Church ReopeningsDespite fines totaling millions, Calvary Chapel in Santa Clara County refused to comply with pandemic orders, leading to intense surveillance and a current lawsuit seeking billions in damages.

      The conflict between Calvary Chapel in Santa Clara County, California, stemmed from the church's decision to reopen during lockdowns despite fines totaling millions of dollars. The county, known for its aggressive enforcement of pandemic orders, saw churches as commercial entities and fined Calvary Chapel relentlessly. The situation escalated when the county encouraged citizens to report violations, leading to an enforcement unit issuing fines for non-compliance with mask-wearing and social distancing rules. The situation reached a dystopian level with reports of intense surveillance, including undercover officers attending services to enforce rules. Despite the financial burden, Calvary Chapel continued to defy the orders, leading to a current lawsuit seeking $2.87 billion in fines. This case highlights the polarizing effects of pandemic restrictions and the lengths governments and citizens would go to enforce them.

    • Surveillance and Restrictions on Houses of Worship during PandemicDuring the pandemic, houses of worship faced disproportionate surveillance and restrictions compared to other public places, raising concerns about individual freedoms and religious freedoms.

      During the pandemic, some local authorities implemented disproportionate surveillance and restrictions on houses of worship compared to other public places. For instance, in one case, a church was subjected to extensive surveillance, including stakeouts and reports on individuals not wearing masks or engaging in forbidden activities. This surveillance escalated to the point where enforcement officers entered the church and monitored intimate gatherings such as baptisms and prayer groups. The inconsistency in restrictions became apparent when malls and retail outlets were allowed to operate at full capacity while houses of worship remained closed or had severe restrictions. These policies raised concerns about the prioritization of individual freedoms and the potential infringement on religious freedoms during the pandemic.

    • People missed religious gatherings during lockdowns and felt pushed to become criminalsThe pandemic's lockdowns led to the importance of religious gatherings for mental and emotional well-being being overlooked, pushing some to break laws, while contradictory rules allowed liquor stores to stay open.

      The lockdowns during the pandemic led many people to deeply miss their religious gatherings and support systems, which were essential for their mental and emotional well-being. These individuals, who were law-abiding citizens before the pandemic, were effectively pushed into becoming criminals due to the restrictions. The importance of religious gatherings and the right to practice one's faith is deeply rooted in many people's lives, providing a sense of connection and intimacy with their faith and community. The hypocrisy of keeping liquor stores open while restricting religious gatherings was also noted. Additionally, during the same time, protests were encouraged, highlighting the profound influence of the value system of those making the rules on their decisions.

    • A church's surge in attendance during the pandemic and the ethical dilemmas of government surveillanceDuring the pandemic, a church experienced significant growth, but faced ethical challenges due to increased government surveillance, raising questions about individual rights, privacy, and the balance between public health and religious freedom.

      During the pandemic, a church saw an unprecedented surge in attendance, with many people seeking comfort and community amidst feelings of addiction, loneliness, isolation, depression, and anxiety. The church went from having around 800 attendees to over 1600, with a thousand baptisms taking place. However, this growth came with challenges as government surveillance increased, including tracking cell phone data to monitor churchgoers' movements within the church property. This intrusive surveillance raised ethical and societal concerns about privacy, autonomy, and the role of government in regulating personal choices related to religion and spirituality. Despite these challenges, the church's pastor, Mike McClure, continued to prioritize the needs of his congregation, becoming a heroic figure who defied restrictions and protected the sacred spaces and practices of his community. The legal and ethical implications of these events continue to be debated, with discussions centered on freedom of religion, privacy, and the balance between public health and individual rights.

    • Ongoing legal battles between governments and religious institutions over mask mandatesDespite little evidence of masks' effectiveness in reducing COVID-19 transmission, governments continue pursuing lawsuits against religious institutions for not complying with mask mandates.

      During the COVID-19 pandemic, there have been numerous controversial legal battles between governments and religious institutions over mask mandates. For instance, in California, a church named Calvary Chapel was sued by the county for not complying with masking orders despite the Supreme Court striking down the state's ban on church gatherings. The county continued to pursue the lawsuit, even though public health experts admit there's little evidence that cloth masks significantly reduce transmission. The situation remains uncertain as the case moves towards a trial and a federal lawsuit is also ongoing. This situation highlights the ongoing debate over the effectiveness and necessity of mask mandates, and the potential consequences for individuals and institutions who challenge them. The full story can be found on David Zweig's Substack, where he delves deeper into this issue and reveals surprising information about electronic surveillance of mobility data.

    • Government officials' disregard for public well-being revealed in leaked WhatsApp messagesLeaked WhatsApp messages showed government officials disregarded public harm, made decisions without concern for people's lives, and displayed preferential treatment, highlighting the importance for journalists to bring such information to light.

      During the pandemic, there were numerous instances of government officials disregarding the well-being of the public, as revealed in leaked WhatsApp messages. These messages showed a casual attitude towards the harm caused by policies, such as sending COVID-positive patients into care homes and separating married couples in care homes from their loved ones. The officials also showed preferential treatment towards certain individuals. The public inquiry into these matters has not yet begun and may take years to produce conclusions, making it essential for journalists to disclose such information to the public. The disregard for the impact of policies on people's lives and the flippant attitude towards making decisions that affected millions is a concerning revelation.

    • Political Power and Neglect of Individual Well-beingPolitical decisions during the COVID-19 pandemic disregarded individual well-being, leading to prolonged quarantine hotels, school closures, and mask mandates, causing significant distress and long-term consequences.

      The discussion reveals how political power can lead to overreach and disregard for individual well-being, as seen in the UK's response to the COVID-19 pandemic. The exchange between top civil servant Simon Case and Health Secretary Hancock about quarantine hotels showcases a dismissive attitude towards public concerns. Additionally, the prolonged enforcement of face masks on children was driven by political pressure from Scotland rather than health concerns. The impact of these policies, such as school closures and mask mandates, have significantly affected families, particularly children, causing profound distress and long-term consequences. The anecdote of a single mother struggling to provide for her children amidst lockdowns and school closures highlights the human cost of these decisions. Overall, this expose underscores the importance of prioritizing people's well-being and avoiding political posturing in times of crisis.

    • The Impact of Lockdowns on Mental Health, Especially in ChildrenExcessive online use during lockdowns can cause severe isolation and mental health issues, particularly in children and teenagers. Prioritizing compliance statistics over individual well-being can lead to tragic consequences.

      The excessive use of online platforms during lockdowns can lead to severe isolation and mental health issues, especially in children and teenagers. The boy's story, who became increasingly obese and paranoid, ultimately led to his tragic suicide, highlighting the devastating impact of government policies that prioritize compliance statistics over individual well-being. The media's focus on controversial information, such as political scandals, often overshadows the significant collateral damage caused by such policies. Furthermore, the recent unanimous vote in the US Congress to declassify all information related to the origins of COVID-19 emphasizes the importance of transparency and accountability in government actions. Reporters like Allegra Stratton, who bravely expose the truth, face intimidation and legal threats, but they are essential in ensuring that the public remains informed and that history does not repeat itself.

    • High-profile legal case with ethical dilemmas for journalistsJournalists face ethical dilemmas when reporting on high-profile cases, with potential consequences for their careers. It's crucial to maintain ethical standards and only work with reputable individuals.

      There is ongoing public interest in a high-profile legal case, with significant media coverage and potential for crowdfunding support. The interviewee, a journalist and ghostwriter, has been involved in the case and has faced professional consequences, but remains committed to ethical journalism. The case involves allegations against a former business associate, and the interviewee advises working with the person in question only if one is considered a good person. The Telegraph continues to release new reporting on the case, and the outcome remains uncertain, with potential implications for President Biden's administration. The interviewee encourages listeners to engage with the show and share their thoughts on the discussed stories.

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