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    • Updated Guidelines on Treating Childhood Obesity: More Aggressive Approaches RecommendedChildhood obesity is a critical issue that requires appropriate measures such as weight loss drugs and surgery at times. Nevertheless, it's important to be cautious about using the term "obesity" and to avoid triggering conversations on weight loss and eating disorders, while promoting compassionate methods for healthy living among children and their families.

      In this episode of the Maintenance Phase podcast, Michael and Aubrey discuss the updated guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics on the treatment of childhood obesity, which recommends more aggressive approaches including weight loss drugs and bariatric surgery for children as young as 12.The episode warns of trigger warnings related to eating disorders, weight loss, and the use of the word "obesity" in the context of the conversation.Childhood obesity is a serious issue that requires careful consideration and compassionate approaches to support children and their families in achieving healthy lifestyles.

    • The Limitations and Nuances of Current Guidelines on Weight and Health.Guidelines on weight and health are based on weight status alone, ignoring the impact of diet and exercise habits. Being overweight does not always equate to poor health, and guidelines do not account for interventions for young children. As society begins to accept body diversity, it's important to acknowledge the limitations and nuances in current guidelines.

      The guidelines being discussed are based on years of research by a committee of doctors who are putting all evidence on a certain issue in one place and making recommendations.However, the guidelines only consider weight status, excluding any health benefits that may result from dietary and exercise habits even if weight does not change.This is important to note because many people believe that fatness immediately equates to poor health, but this is not always the case.The guidelines also don't discuss obesity interventions for children under the age of two.The issue of fatness is in a transitional period, with growing societal acceptance, but still remnants of stigma.

    • Understanding the Complex Causes and Consequences of ObesityObesity is influenced by genetics, environment and social factors, and its negative impacts on mental and physical health are amplified by weight stigma and discrimination. Addressing this issue requires a shift towards equity-based practices that address the social determinants of health and systemic barriers to quality healthcare services, recognizing that obesity is not just a matter of personal choice.

      This section discusses how obesity has complex causes including genetics, environment, and social factors like poverty, discrimination and stigma.The document acknowledges that overweight and obese individuals experience weight stigma and bullying that negatively impacts their mental and physical health, leading to avoidance of healthcare services and decreased physical activity.It is important to understand that obesity is not solely a matter of personal choices, but the result of multiple factors, and addressing the issue requires a shift towards equity-based practices that consider social determinants of health and address systemic barriers to quality healthcare services.

    • Addressing Bias Towards Children with Obesity in HealthcareHealthcare providers must actively recognize and confront their own biases to prevent stigma and negative health outcomes for children with obesity. Childhood obesity rates are on the rise, but shaming or excluding overweight children should not be a solution. During the COVID-19 pandemic, children's health has been impacted, with some studies showing an increase in BMI. Prioritizing health equity is vital in addressing childhood obesity.

      Pediatricians and other healthcare providers may hold biases towards children with obesity.This can lead to stigma and negative health consequences for these children.To combat this issue, healthcare providers must acknowledge and address their own biases.Childhood obesity rates have increased over time, and it is important to address this issue, but solutions should not involve eliminating or shaming overweight children.The COVID-19 pandemic has also had an impact on children's health and routines, with some studies suggesting an increase in BMI.Health equity should be a priority in addressing childhood obesity.

    • The use of BMI as a screening tool for weight gain in children and its limitationsBMI may not be the most accurate measure of health for individuals and public health agencies need to consider other factors besides obesity when addressing health problems. The pandemic has also added complexities to interpreting weight gain data in children.

      The article discusses weight gain in children and the use of BMI as a screening tool.Normal weight kids gained 3 pounds and obese kids gained 6 pounds, but the authors question whether this is really noteworthy at a time when everyone is gaining weight due to the pandemic.Additionally, they argue that public health agencies are too quick to blame health problems on obesity rather than on the mistreatment of fat people.The article also highlights the limitations of using BMI as a measure of health, as it is based on outdated data and doesn't account for individual differences.

    • The Controversy Surrounding BMI and Weight Stigma in HealthcareBMI is an important tool for identifying obesity in children, but doctors should use person-first language and avoid weight stigma when discussing weight loss. While there is a requirement for physicians to counsel patients on weight loss, simply lecturing patients on their weight may not be an adequate solution to the problem of obesity.

      The Body Mass Index (BMI) is the best tool we have to diagnose obesity in kids, but its definition of overweight and obesity is based on BMI percentiles.Every person who is considered fat should receive a lecture about their weight from their healthcare provider, according to the prevailing instruction given to medical students.This requirement is now baked into the insurance system, meaning doctors won't get paid without counseling patients on weight loss.However, medical institutions are starting to acknowledge weight stigma and advise doctors to use person-first language when discussing BMI with patients.Despite this, for many, moving around words feels like an inadequate solution to a deeper problem.

    • The Importance of Using Inclusive Language in HealthcareUsing stigmatizing language can harm the mental health of children and adolescents with weight issues. Healthcare providers must consider various factors associated with higher weight, such as socioeconomic and racial disparities, environmental smoke exposure, adverse childhood experiences, genetic and epigenetic factors, and mental health conditions, and prioritize building a trusting relationship with their patients.

      This article highlights the importance of using language that does not stigmatize or invalidate individuals' personal identities.The medical community must consider the potential harm caused by language, especially for children and adolescents dealing with weight issues.The document discussed in the article covers several factors associated with higher weight, including socioeconomic and racial disparities, environmental smoke exposure, adverse childhood experiences, genetic and epigenetic factors, and mental health conditions.Healthcare providers must consider these factors and avoid lectures or discussions that may worsen their patients' mental health.Instead, they must prioritize building a trusting relationship with their patients and checking in on their overall health instead of just focusing on their weight.

    • Challenges in Recommending Weight Loss for ChildrenHealthcare providers must understand that weight loss recommendations for children should not be generic and should consider individual circumstances. Children should be treated as individuals, rather than just their weight, and provided with appropriate resources to address weight stigma.

      The document discussed in this section focuses on weight loss for children and does not take into account their individual circumstances, such as health concerns or personal experiences.Doctors are advised to recommend weight loss even if it may not be the most important issue for the child at the time.The advice given is often too generic, offering basic tips such as eating less and exercising more, without considering the complexities of a child's situation.Furthermore, the resources provided for addressing weight stigma are few and insufficient.It is important for healthcare providers to understand that children are more than just their weight and should be treated as individuals with unique needs and experiences.

    • Shifting the Focus to Healthy Habits and Nuanced GuidanceEncouraging healthy habits like nourishing food, enjoyable exercise, and respectful relationships is more effective than focusing on weight loss as a solution for bullying and other issues. Healthcare professionals should acknowledge the complexities of weight-related issues and offer nuanced guidance rather than simplistic solutions. Holistic well-being should be prioritized over drugs and other treatments.

      This section highlights the problems with traditional advice for improving body image in adolescents, which often focus on weight loss as a solution for bullying and other issues.Instead, the key takeaway is to encourage healthy habits like nourishing food, enjoyable exercise, and respectful relationships, and to discourage harmful diets and weight loss efforts.It's also important for healthcare professionals to acknowledge the complexities of weight-related issues and to offer nuanced guidance rather than simplistic solutions.The section suggests that drugs and other treatments are not a panacea and that focusing on holistic well-being is a more productive approach.

    • Intensive Health Programs for a Healthier YouIntensive Health Behavior and Lifestyle Treatment (IHBLC) programs are an effective way to improve your health. These programs, also known as "BLTs," involve nutrition classes and physical activities like sports or fitness training. They require at least three months of weekly face-to-face interaction with family participation, and must cover multiple aspects of a healthy lifestyle. Remember that these programs work only under precise conditions.

      Intensive Health Behavior and Lifestyle Treatment (IHBLC) programs, also known as "BLTs," are offered at municipal hospitals and run by dietitians or obesity clinicians.These programs include nutrition classes and physical activities, such as sports or fitness training.They typically involve family participation and are tailored to both children and parents.For the programs to be effective, they must last at least three months and involve one hour of face-to-face interaction each week.On top of that, parents must also participate, and the programs must be comprehensive, touching on more than one aspect of a healthy lifestyle.Success rates aren't given in the guidelines, but other technical reports suggest weight loss therapy works only under precise conditions.

    • Challenges of Health, Behavior, and Lifestyle Treatment Programs for Childhood ObesityHealth, behavior, and lifestyle treatment programs show a modest 1% to 3% decline in BMI percentile for children with obesity. However, challenges like limited access, scheduling conflicts, and high costs impact their effectiveness. Social determinants of health and competing health issues for children or family members can also hinder progress. It's crucial to consider potential harm, such as the development of eating disorders, and view interventions with a balanced approach.

      The Health, Behavior, and Lifestyle Treatment section suggests that those who experience BMI improvement may see a modest 1% to 3% decline in BMI percentile.However, the effectiveness of these programs is limited by challenges in accessing and participating in them, including transportation difficulties, scheduling conflicts with work or school, and the cost of treatment.The report recognizes that social determinants of health and competing health issues for children or family members can also impact the effectiveness of these programs.Additionally, research into the benefits of interventions for fat kids seldom examines potential harms, such as the development of eating disorders.

    • The Challenges of Supervised Weight Management Programs for Children with Obesity and Eating Disorders.While supervised weight management programs can reduce disordered eating patterns, they can also exacerbate negative body image and weight stigma. For children with obesity and eating disorders, goals for body change and body acceptance can conflict, leading to internal confusion and mixed messages. Careful consideration must be given to the potential unintended consequences of weight management programs for children.

      The approach of using supervised weight management programs for children with obesity and eating disorders has been criticized by practitioners and affected individuals.While some studies have shown that such programs reduce disordered eating patterns, it can also place excess attention on eating habits, body shape, and body size, leading to conflicting messages about body acceptance.The result is a crash course in weight stigma, where children learn goals for body change and body acceptance in the same class.This can lead to internal conflict for children, who understand that these two ideas don't align.

    • The Use of Structured Weight Management Programs and Pharmacotherapy for Childhood ObesityStructured weight management programs decrease eating disorder symptoms and should be made more accessible to manage childhood obesity. Weight loss drugs can be used in children as young as 8 years old, but more effective interventions need to be developed. Self-guided dieting should be avoided as it can increase the risk of disordered eating patterns.

      The document discussed in this section focuses on the use of structured weight management programs and pharmacotherapy to manage obesity in children.The document points out that while self-guided dieting can increase the risk of disordered eating patterns, participation in structured programs decreases eating disorder symptoms.However, these structured programs are not available for most children.The document also suggests that weight loss drugs can be used to manage obesity in children as young as 8 years old, which raises concerns among the hosts.They suggest that this approach is problematic and that more accessible and effective interventions need to be developed to manage childhood obesity.

    • Limited Research on Effects of Weight Loss Drugs on ChildrenWeight loss drugs for children have limited research and can have harmful side effects. Semaglutide is the only promising drug so far, but more research is needed. It's important to focus on overall health rather than just weight loss and be cautious when considering weight loss drugs for children.

      The field of weight loss drugs is rapidly evolving, but there is still limited research on their effects on children, especially in the long-term.Some of the drugs recommended for weight loss in adolescents, such as metformin and phentermine, have side effects that can harm academic performance or cause gastrointestinal issues.The only drug with a promising study so far is semaglutide, but more research is needed.It's important to be cautious when considering weight loss drugs, especially for children, and to focus on overall health rather than just weight loss.

    • Weight Loss Medications for Children: A Complicated History with Dangerous Side EffectsWeight loss medication for children should not be used as the sole treatment for obesity, as it only results in short-term weight loss that frequently leads to weight regain. Before starting medication, a 12-week lifestyle program is suggested, and the American Academy of Pediatrics advocates a comprehensive, cautious approach that is not common in US healthcare. It's crucial to be skeptical of these medications until their safety and effectiveness have been thoroughly studied.

      Weight loss medications for children have a complicated history and can have dangerous side effects.A 12-week lifestyle program is recommended before starting the medication, but it's unclear whether the weight loss can be sustained long-term.The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends caution and a comprehensive approach that is not common in the US healthcare system.Weight loss medication should not be used as the sole treatment for obesity, as it only produces a short-term weight loss that often leads to weight regain.It's important to be skeptical of these medications until there is solid evidence of their safety and effectiveness.

    • Concerns over Pediatricians Referring Children to Bariatric SurgeryPediatricians should refer children for intensive behavioral interventions when prescribing weight loss medication, but these interventions are often not available or effective. Bariatric surgery should only be considered for children with a BMI over 35 with comorbidities or a BMI over 40 without, but its effectiveness in children is uncertain. Referring 13-year-olds for bariatric surgery is a concerning issue.

      Pediatricians should provide or refer to intensive behavioral interventions for children who are prescribed weight loss medication.However, these interventions are often not meaningfully available, and many children drop out.The guidelines also recommend bariatric surgery for children who have a BMI over 35 with comorbidities or a BMI over 40 without.While the evidence for bariatric surgery in children is thin, it has been prescribed for quite a while.The professional association of pediatricians providing guidance that they can and sometimes should refer 13-year-olds to get bariatric surgery is a concerning issue.

    • Long-term Health Effects of Bariatric SurgeryBariatric surgery can help obese children lose weight and reduce their risk of metabolic diseases. However, long-term follow-up studies suggest that some patients may still struggle with severe obesity, depression, and nutritional deficiencies. It is important for patients to be monitored by a multidisciplinary team, including psychologists who can provide cognitive behavior therapy. Further research is needed to understand the negative outcomes of this surgery.

      Bariatric surgery, a weight loss surgery, has been shown to help obese children lose weight and improve their metabolic health markers such as diabetes, hypertension, and heart disease.However, long-term follow-up studies have shown that bariatric surgery patients may still struggle with severe obesity, depression, and nutritional deficiencies such as iron deficiency anemia and vitamin D deficiency.It is important for patients to be carefully monitored by a multidisciplinary team, including psychologists who can provide cognitive behavioral therapy.The long-term health effects of bariatric surgery are not well studied and further research is needed to understand the negative outcomes of this surgery.

    • The Risks and Negativity around Endorsing Bariatric Surgery for AdolescentsThe American Academy of Pediatrics' endorsement of bariatric surgery for adolescents lacks consideration of long-term physical and mental health implications, eating disorders incidence and multidisciplinary care. The decision to undergo surgery should not be forced on overweight children by doctors and parents without comprehension or agency. Fat children’s needs and experiences should not be ignored in the pursuit of thinness.

      The American Academy of Pediatrics is endorsing bariatric surgery for adolescents as a solution to obesity without considering its long-term risks and side effects, mental health implications or the incidence of eating disorders among children.The study conducted in Sweden shows that the procedure needs to be followed by multidisciplinary care, which is not always implemented.The decision to undergo surgery must not be imposed by doctors and parents on children, who often have other health issues, without proper understanding or agency.The real-life experiences and needs of fat children must not be erased in the pursuit of making them thin.

    • Shifting from weight-based paradigm to health-based paradigm in healthcare.Doctors should shift their focus from solely assessing a child's weight to evaluating their behaviors for healthy meals and exercise. They should prioritize health over weight and provide accessible treatment options instead of emphasizing solely on weight. Offering nutrition classes and learning opportunities to children can be more effective than assuming that all overweight individuals have poor behaviors.

      Doctors and healthcare providers need to shift away from a weight-based paradigm and towards a health-based paradigm.Instead of focusing solely on a child's weight, doctors should assess the child's behaviors to determine if they are receiving healthy meals and enough exercise.By prescribing treatments that are inaccessible, ineffective, or focusing solely on weight, doctors are sending a message that a person's weight matters more than anything else, leading to negative conditioning and subpar behavior from others.It's important to give children access to nutrition classes and learning opportunities rather than assuming all fat people have poor behaviors.Ultimately, doctors need to prioritize the health of their patients over their weight.

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