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    Thank you for checking in at the Inner Game of Change Podcast where we focus on exploring the multi layers of managing organisational change.

    My guests cover a diverse number of critical topics to enable effective and sustainable change adoption including communication, leadership, training, change practice, process design, change capability and much more.

    My guest today is the award-winning author Kate Christiansen to chat about her book The Thrive Cycle.ย 

    Kate is a global adaptive performance specialist who shows people and organisations how to harness the opportunity of disruptive change.

    About Kate (In her own words)

    I'm an adaptive performance specialist who shows people and organisations how to harness the opportunity of disruption. I work with progressive leaders in high-change environments, who are under increasing pressure to deliver results but strategy, delivery, change or team engagement challenges are getting in the way.


    ๐‚๐ฅ๐ข๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฒ ๐ง๐ž๐ž๐:
    ย โ€ข a more ๐š๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐ง๐ž๐ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐š๐๐š๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ž๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ž๐š๐ฆ that bounces back from adversity
    ย โ€ข to map out ๐š ๐ง๐ž๐ฐ ๐ฉ๐š๐ญ๐ก ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ฎ๐ง๐ค๐ง๐จ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ซ๐š๐ข๐ง and they want the right people ready, focused and willing to build it on the other side
    ย โ€ข to achieve challenging, mission-critical ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ž๐ฌ ๐Ÿ๐š๐ฌ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ and at a ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ ๐Ÿ๐ข๐ง๐š๐ง๐œ๐ข๐š๐ฅ and ๐ก๐ฎ๐ฆ๐š๐ง ๐œ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ
    ย 
    ย My clients can expect an approach that is ๐ฎ๐ง๐œ๐จ๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐š๐ฅ, ๐ž๐ง๐ž๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐  and ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐œ. Best of all, it's one they can ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ to deliver the outcome they need.
    ย 
    ย With 25-years leading thousands of people through uncertain and rocky terrain, I create safe and structured conversations so teams can take braver steps, tackle bigger questions and achieve better results together.
    ย 
    ย What ๐œ๐ฅ๐ข๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐š๐ฒ:
    ย 
    "๐พ๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’ ๐‘ก๐‘Ž๐‘˜๐‘’๐‘  ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘ก ๐‘ ๐‘’๐‘’๐‘š๐‘–๐‘›๐‘”๐‘™๐‘ฆ ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘ ๐‘ข๐‘Ÿ๐‘š๐‘œ๐‘ข๐‘›๐‘ก๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘™๐‘’ ๐‘โ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘™๐‘™๐‘’๐‘›๐‘”๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘˜๐‘  ๐‘–๐‘ก ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘ก๐‘œ ๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘ก๐‘ . ๐ผ๐‘ก'๐‘  ๐‘™๐‘–๐‘˜๐‘’ ๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘›๐‘” ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘’๐‘™๐‘’๐‘โ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘ก ๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘ก ๐‘Ž ๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘š๐‘’"
    ย 
    "๐ผ๐‘› ๐‘—๐‘ข๐‘ ๐‘ก ๐‘Ž ๐‘“๐‘’๐‘ค ๐‘‘๐‘Ž๐‘ฆ๐‘ , ๐พ๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’ ๐‘ ๐‘Ž๐‘ฃ๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘ข๐‘  6-๐‘š๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘  ๐‘ค๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘˜"
    ย 
    "๐พ๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’ ๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘˜๐‘’๐‘  ๐‘Ž ๐‘๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘ข๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘“๐‘ข๐‘™ ๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘™๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘’๐‘ก๐‘ค๐‘’๐‘’๐‘› ๐‘ ๐‘œ๐‘š๐‘’๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘’ ๐‘คโ„Ž๐‘œ โ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘  ๐‘’๐‘ฅ๐‘๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘ ๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘‘๐‘–๐‘๐‘–๐‘™๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘ฆ, ๐‘คโ„Ž๐‘–๐‘™๐‘’ ๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘™๐‘™ ๐‘๐‘’๐‘–๐‘›๐‘” ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘๐‘™๐‘ข๐‘ ๐‘–๐‘ฃ๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ โ„Ž๐‘ข๐‘š๐‘๐‘™๐‘’ ๐‘–๐‘› ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘ค๐‘Ž๐‘ฆ ๐‘ โ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘œ๐‘๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘ "
    ย 
    "๐พ๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’'๐‘  ๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘œ๐‘Ž๐‘โ„Ž ๐‘–๐‘  ๐‘ก๐‘Ÿ๐‘ข๐‘™๐‘ฆ ๐‘ข๐‘›๐‘–๐‘ž๐‘ข๐‘’. ๐ป๐‘’๐‘Ÿ ๐‘’๐‘›๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘”๐‘ฆ ๐‘–๐‘  ๐‘Ž๐‘š๐‘Ž๐‘ง๐‘–๐‘›๐‘”. ๐‘†โ„Ž๐‘’'๐‘  ๐‘™๐‘–๐‘˜๐‘’ ๐‘Ž ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘กโ„Ž ๐‘œ๐‘“ ๐‘“๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘ โ„Ž ๐‘Ž๐‘–๐‘Ÿ"
    ย 

    Contact kate

    www.katechristiansen.com.au

    kate@katechristiansen.com.au

    Ali Juma
    @The Inner Game of Change podcast

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    WHO I WORK WITH:
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    ย ยท General Managers
    ย ยท Project Directors, Program Managers, and Portfolio Directors
    ย ยท Change Directors

    WHY IT WORKS:
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    E52 - Organisational Change Empathy - Podcast with Patti Sanchez

    Welcome to episode 52 of the Inner Game of Change Podcast where I focus on exploring the multi layers of managing and enabling organisational change.

    My guest today isย  Patti Sanchez; the Chief Strategy Officer for Duarte, bringing over thirty years of communication expertise to the table.

    Patti has played a pivotal role in driving transformative communication initiatives for prominent brands such as Cisco, Ericsson, Hewlett-Packard, Nike, Symantec, VMware, and many others.ย 

    The author of 'Presenting Virtually: Communicate and Connect with Online Audiences' and co-author of 'Illuminate: Ignite Change Through Speeches, Stories, Ceremonies, and Symbols', Patti has been instrumental in teaching hundreds of leaders how to enhance their empathy and communication skills.

    In this episode, Patti and I explore the ever important topic of Organisational Change Empathy and the role it plays in driving positive experience and employee engagement.

    I am grateful to have Patti chatting with me today.

    Topics include :

    1. What's change empathy?ย 
    2. Story telling as means to show empathy.
    3. A story plot as a change journey .ย 
    4. Trust thrives in the times of empathy.ย 
    5. Change empathy to unearth resilience.ย 
    6. Curiosity vs empathy.ย 
    7. Change empathy from change practitionersย 
    8. Empathy as a de-risking strategy.ย 
    9. Org, Change empathy vs employee change empathy.ย 
    10. Successful change is the nature of successful business.ย 
    11. Three key takeaways from this podcast,ย 

    And much more...

    About Patti (In her words)
    I'm the Chief Strategy Officer for Duarte, with over thirty years of experience as a communicator. I've led transformative communications initiatives for brands including Cisco, Ericsson, Hewlett-Packard, LexisNexis, Nike, Symantec, VMware, and Compassion International, and taught hundreds of leaders to become more empathetic and effective communicators. I am the author of Presenting Virtually: Communicate and Connect with Online Audiences (October 2021) and co-author of Illuminate: Ignite Change Through Speeches, Stories, Ceremonies, and Symbols with Nancy Duarte (February 2016).

    Books

    1. Author - 'Presenting Virtually: Communicate and Connect with Online Audiences'ย 
    2. Co-author -ย  'Illuminate: Ignite Change Through Speeches, Stories, Ceremonies, and Symbols',ย 

    Contact
    Pattiโ€™s Profile
    linkedin.com/in/patti-sanchez-2bab41
    Website
    duarte.com (Company)
    Email
    chez_sanchez@hotmail.comย 



    Ali Juma
    @The Inner Game of Change podcast

    E51 - The Change Questions Framework - Podcast with Dr. Lynn Kelly

    E51 - The Change Questions Framework - Podcast with Dr. Lynn Kelly

    ย Welcome to episode 50 of the Inner Game of Change Podcast where I focus on exploring the multi layers of managing and enabling organisational change.

    Today my guest is Dr Lynn Kelley: distinguished author and thought leader whose career has spanned the diverse world of transformation, manufacturing, healthcare, finance and education.ย 

    From operational roles to strategic executive leadership positions in Fortune 200 companies, Lynn has established expertise in areas such as continuous improvement, lean manufacturing, six sigma and more.

    Renowned for her insight in Change Management, Lynnโ€™s ability to demystify complex concepts and provide actionable Questions strategies will help any change maker translate change vision into real value.ย 

    In this episode, Lynn and I talk about Lynnโ€™s book Change Questions, exploring the power of questions and dive deep into the details of questions, intentions, and motives.

    I am grateful to have Lynn chatting with me today. ย 

    Topics include:

    1. ย Change questions framework
    2. Why questions are powerful tools?
    3. The 11 Change management questions.ย 
    4. Ways to improve asking 'the right questions'.
    5. Dial up curiosity to hear the answers.ย 
    6. Empathetic questioning to build trust.ย 
    7. The questions 'catch ball' approach.ย 
    8. Practice the 'right questions' skill.ย 
    9. Who asks the questions must be the right person.ย 
    10. 3 key Change Questions takeaways from Lynn.ย 


    About D. Lynn Kelley
    Change Questions author Lynn Kelley is a Senior Advisor to Brown Brothers Harriman Capital Partners and is actively involved in sourcing, investment evaluation, and providing post-investment value-added oversight to their portfolio companies. She serves on the Board of Directors for Precision Transport Logistics.

    Dr. Kelley retired from Union Pacific Railroad in 2018 as senior vice president of Supply Chain and Continuous Improvement. In this role, Lynn was responsible for sourcing, logistics, warehouse operations, fuel and water infrastructure, and industrial engineering/continuous improvement. She was also the executive co-owner of the companyโ€™s Innovation program. She reported to the chairman and CEO and was a member of the Senior Leadership Team.

    Before joining Union Pacific in 2011, Lynn was employed at Textron, where she was vice president of Operational Excellence and served as an officer and a member of the Executive Leadership Team. She was responsible for Engineering, Integrated Supply Chain, Procurement, and Corporate Six Sigma/Quality Councils across all business units, which included Cessna Aircraft and Bell Helicopter. During her Textron career, Lynn had several international assignments, where she was based in France and South Africa. She was responsible for activities at facilities in Australia, Switzerland, France, Germany, and South Africa.ย 

    Lynn was previously a professor and department chair at Madonna University, where she taught undergraduate and graduate statistics and research courses in both the US and China. During this timeframe, she developed and launched a Masterโ€™s Degree in Quality and Operations Management, which received national attention for being the first Quality/Lean degree in the US that targeted the service industries. Before becoming a professor, Lynn was executive vice president and chief operating officer of Doctors Hospital in Detroit.

    Contact
    LinkedIn
    linkedin.com/in/lynnkelleychange

    Website
    changequestions.net (Company)

    Ali Juma
    @The Inner Game of Change podcast

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