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    E147: FBI’s Top Hostage Negotiator: The Art Of Negotiating To Get Whatever You Want: Chris Voss

    enMay 30, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • The Power of Upbringing and Setbacks in Shaping Character and ChoicesOur early experiences and setbacks can shape our character and lead us towards unexpected opportunities. Seeking guidance and working diligently can help us achieve our goals.

      Upbringing and early experiences play a significant role in shaping a person's character and choices. Chris Voss, who had a hardworking and ethically driven father, learned the value of figuring things out and working diligently from a young age. This mindset of problem-solving and honesty became deeply ingrained in him, making him believe that there is little he cannot accomplish. Additionally, Voss's knee injury, which prevented him from joining the FBI's equivalent of the navy seals, led him towards his eventual career as a hostage negotiator. This shows that setbacks can often lead to unexpected opportunities and propel individuals towards their true calling. Seeking guidance and advice from the right people can also make a significant difference in achieving one's goals.

    • The Transformative Experience of Volunteering on a Suicide HotlineEffective communication, understanding human behavior, and avoiding burnout are valuable skills gained from volunteering on a crisis hotline that can be applied in various aspects of life.

      Volunteering on a suicide hotline can be a transformative experience. Chris Voss shared how he initially volunteered on the hotline at the suggestion of someone who recognized its value. He found it emotionally challenging, but the training and skills he gained were invaluable. Voss also highlighted the importance of avoiding volunteer burnout in crisis hotlines. He learned how to communicate effectively with difficult individuals by understanding the drama triangle and the different roles people play. This knowledge extended to his career as an FBI negotiator, where he used guided discovery to help others find mutually beneficial solutions. Additionally, Voss emphasized that human behavior is heavily influenced by the fear of loss. Understanding this can greatly impact our interactions and negotiations in both personal and professional settings.

    • The Power of Empathy in NegotiationsEmpathy is essential in negotiations as it allows for a gentle and careful process. Additionally, being proactive and prepared can lead to positive change and successful problem-solving.

      Leveraging the understanding of human behavior and emotions, particularly the concept of loss, can be effective in negotiations. However, it is crucial to approach negotiations with empathy rather than sympathy to avoid being perceived as a hostage taker oneself. Empathy allows for a gentle and careful negotiation process. Chris Voss, an experienced hostage negotiator, emphasizes the importance of empathy and preparation in negotiation situations. Additionally, the conversation highlights the significance of willingly stepping into challenging situations and taking decisive action. Running towards trouble, figuratively speaking, not only mitigates criticism but also positions oneself to make necessary decisions and bring about positive change. Overall, this conversation underscores the value of empathy, preparation, and a proactive mindset in successful negotiations and problem-solving endeavors.

    • Use of negotiation tactics in a bank robbery situationNegotiators must be aware of manipulative tactics, such as creating smokescreens and maintaining power, in order to effectively confront and address the situation.

      Negotiation tactics can be used to create a smokescreen and gain power in a situation. In this case, the bank robber acted helpless and scared, using his board of directors as an excuse to avoid making commitments. He wanted to avoid getting cornered and maintain control. Additionally, not revealing his name was another technique to unsettle the negotiators and maintain a sense of power. Furthermore, the sudden shift in negotiation tactics, such as not doing a smooth transition, allowed the police negotiator to take back control and start confronting the manipulative bank robber. The incident also highlights the importance of confirming the condition of hostages and not falling for smoke screens during negotiations.

    • Creating a Vision for Successful NegotiationEffective negotiation involves creating a different vision of the future for the other party, keeping promises, maintaining honesty, and carefully assessing tense situations to find common ground and mutually beneficial outcomes.

      Effective negotiation requires creating a different vision of the future for the other party involved. Chris Voss used this strategy to successfully resolve a hostage situation by appealing to the bank robber's survival instinct and promising dignity and respect. Voss emphasizes the importance of keeping promises and maintaining a reputation of honesty, even in high-stakes situations. He believes that lying to a liar is ineffective and can ultimately backfire. Voss also highlights the need to carefully assess and navigate tense scenarios, understanding that rushing into action without a viable solution can lead to chaos. Effective negotiation involves finding common ground and seeking mutually beneficial outcomes.

    • The Power of Collaboration and Empathy in NegotiationsCollaboration and empathy are essential elements in negotiations, as they build trust, shift adversarial conversations to collaborative ones, and help parties realize the limitations and impossibilities of their demands.

      Collaboration and empathy are crucial in finding a positive outcome. Chris Voss, the hostage negotiator, emphasizes the need for collaboration, stating that no relationship survives long term without it. He aims to shift the conversation from adversarial to collaborative, showing Steven Bartlett that he is on his side and willing to advocate for him. By asking thought-provoking questions and making Steven ponder, Chris helps him realize the limitations of his demands and the impossibility of his desired outcome in just 45 seconds. Through empathy and understanding, Chris establishes trust and demonstrates the importance of sincerity and honesty in negotiations.

    • The Importance of Listening in NegotiationsListening is an essential skill in negotiations as it builds trust, understanding, and allows negotiators to make deals more efficiently in the long term. Using a calm and analytical voice fosters a productive and trust-building atmosphere.

      Listening is a crucial skill in negotiations. No matter what negotiation methodology someone follows, listening is always considered an advanced skill. It is more difficult than simply keeping quiet, but it is critical for successful negotiations. Listening not only builds trust and establishes a deeper understanding of the other party's perspective, but it also increases the velocity of deal cycles. By taking the time to truly listen and understand the other person's needs and concerns, negotiators can establish trust and make deals more efficiently in the long term. Additionally, the tone of voice used in negotiations also plays a significant role. A calm and analytical voice, rather than an aggressive or blunt one, can create a more productive and trust-building atmosphere.

    • Harnessing the Power of Positive Communication for Productive Relationships and ResolutionsUsing a friendly tone, acknowledging negative emotions, seeking confirmation, and applying these strategies in different situations can lead to effective collaboration, understanding, and resolution.

      Using a friendly voice and smile triggers a positive neurochemical reaction, allowing for effective collaboration and negotiation. Additionally, labeling someone's negative emotions rather than denying them helps them feel seen, heard, and understood, while also diminishing the negative emotions. This labeling technique has been supported by neuroscience experiments, which showed that identifying and acknowledging negative emotions diminishes their impact on the brain. Furthermore, seeking confirmation from the other person, such as saying "that's right," indicates that they feel understood, leading to a productive resolution. These strategies can be applied in various situations, including romantic relationships, business deals, and conflicts between landlord and tenant or employee and employer.

    • The Power of Understanding and CommunicationBuilding a strong connection through understanding and effective communication is essential for successful negotiations and romantic relationships. Show genuine care, learn from past experiences, and grow together.

      Understanding and communication are crucial in both negotiations and romantic relationships. Chris Voss explains that when someone says "that's right," it signifies an epiphany and a bonding experience due to the release of oxytocin in the brain. This bonding can lead to more honest and truthful conversations. In romantic relationships, it is important to not only understand your partner but also make them feel heard and adjust accordingly. Showing genuine care for how they feel, not just what happened, is a recipe for a successful relationship. Additionally, Chris Voss emphasizes the importance of learning from unsuccessful negotiations or traumatic events, using them as opportunities for growth to prevent similar outcomes in the future.

    • Coping with Trauma: The Lasting Impact on RelationshipsTraumatic events can greatly affect individuals' ability to form and maintain relationships. Understanding and supporting each other's emotions and ways of processing difficult experiences is crucial in overcoming such challenges.

      Traumatic and high-stakes events can have a lasting impact on individuals, making it difficult for them to form and maintain relationships. Chris Voss shares his experience of dealing with the aftermath of a hostage situation, where people were killed, and how it affected him emotionally. He initially felt sorry for himself and struggled with putting things into perspective. However, he realized that dwelling on the past wouldn't help anyone and made strategy adjustments to save lives in the future. Steven Bartlett also discusses how traumatic events can affect personal relationships and the challenges of processing emotions differently. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding and supporting each other's ways of processing difficult experiences.

    • The Power of Mirroring in Communication and NegotiationMirroring, when used sincerely and naturally, can be an effective communication tool, but it must be used with caution to prevent manipulation. High IQ and EQ individuals can benefit from mirroring, and resources are available for improving negotiation skills.

      Mirroring, when used sincerely and naturally, can be an effective tool in communication and negotiation. Chris Voss explains that mirroring involves aligning oneself physically and verbally with the other person, signaling active listening and engagement. However, caution must be exercised as mirroring can also be used manipulatively. Voss emphasizes the importance of maintaining authenticity and avoiding exploitation. Mirroring is found to be particularly effective for individuals with high IQ and EQ, as it requires minimal effort while yielding maximum response. Voss's company, Black Swan Group, offers coaching programs and resources for individuals seeking to improve their negotiation skills. Additionally, his book, "Never Split the Difference," has achieved significant success, showcasing the relevance of negotiation techniques in various aspects of life beyond just business.

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