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    Ep. 160 | 2 Bears 1 Cave w/ Tom Segura & Quentin Tarantino

    enNovember 21, 2022

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    • Mint Mobile's affordable wireless plans through online salesQuinn Tarantino's book 'Cinema Speculation' is a personal exploration of his connection with movies and its impact on his life, blending film analysis and autobiography

      Mint Mobile offers affordable wireless plans by cutting out the cost of retail stores and selling services online, allowing customers to save money on their monthly bills. Quinn Tarantino, sitting in for Bert, shared his excitement about his new book, "Cinema Speculation," which delves into his personal connection with movies, growing up going to the cinema with his mother, and how it influenced his life. The book was initially intended to be a film analysis, but it became more autobiographical as he wrote. Pauline Kael, a renowned film critic, once said she wrote her autobiography in every review, and Quinn followed a similar approach in his book.

    • Childhood memories of Hollywood's New Revolution shape filmmaker's careerThe speaker's unique focus on writing about movies he saw before age 9 during Hollywood's New Revolution era provides a valuable perspective on this influential period in cinema history.

      The speaker's experiences of watching movies during Hollywood's New Revolution in the late 60s and 70s significantly shaped his perspective and eventual career as a filmmaker. His childhood memories of seeing films during this transformative period became the foundation for his book, which required him to only write about movies he had seen before the age of nine. This unique focus gave his work a distinct structure and made it a valuable contribution to the understanding of this influential era in cinema history. Additionally, the speaker expressed his belief that the current state of cinema is lacking compared to past periods, citing the 70s as a particularly golden age for American motion pictures. He views the present as another repressive time in cinema, but is hopeful that the pendulum will swing back towards creativity and innovation.

    • Initial doubts about 'Pulp Fiction''s potentialDespite initial skepticism from Hollywood executives, Quentin Tarantino's 'Pulp Fiction' became a cultural phenomenon and a critical and commercial success.

      The initial reception of Quentin Tarantino's groundbreaking script for "Pulp Fiction" was not universally celebrated by Hollywood executives. During a meeting with Miramax's Mike Medavoy and other executives, Medavoy expressed concerns about the film's violence and perceived it as anything but a comedy. Tarantino, however, was convinced that audiences would find the darkly humorous elements of the script entertaining. Despite initial doubts, "Pulp Fiction" went on to become a cultural phenomenon and a critical and commercial success. Tarantino's unique writing style and innovative storytelling continued to challenge and captivate audiences, solidifying his place as a visionary filmmaker.

    • Director's determination to explore casting optionsTenacious director successfully cast high-profile actors, learning the importance of studio support and negotiation.

      During the production of her second film, the director was ambitious in her casting choices, targeting high-profile actors like Johnny Depp and Tim Roth, even though they hadn't yet signed off on her wish list. She believed it was reasonable given the backing of a major studio and the interest of top actors in her script. The director's determination to explore different options and her strong opinions about the casting of certain roles ultimately paid off, resulting in a successful film. Additionally, she learned the importance of having a studio's support in securing desired talent and was open to negotiation when necessary. Overall, her tenacity and vision for her project led to a well-cast film, despite the uncertainty and potential challenges of the casting process.

    • Casting big names to reduce risk and increase box office appealExecutives prioritize casting known actors to boost a film's commercial success, even if it deviates from the original vision.

      Studio executives prioritize casting big names in films to increase box office appeal and reduce risk, even if it means deviating from the original vision of the film. This was evident in the casting process for "Pulp Fiction," where Bruce Willis' involvement was unexpected and Matt Dillon's initial interest waned due to concerns about the script. The executives at Miramax, who financed the film, required at least one approved actor from their roster to be cast, leading to the eventual addition of Bruce Willis. Despite the unexpected casting choices, the film became a critical and commercial success, demonstrating that sometimes taking risks in casting can pay off. However, the primary motivation for executives remains the saleability of the film with big names attached.

    • Bruce Willis' Determination to Join 'Pulp Fiction'A star's influence can impact film casting and production, requiring careful decision-making by filmmakers.

      During a casual gathering, Bruce Willis expressed his strong interest in Quentin Tarantino's script for "Pulp Fiction," despite already being cast as Butch in the film. Willis was determined to secure a role, proposing to play the character Jules instead. Tarantino, recognizing the pressure and opportunity, considered the offer but ultimately decided against it, knowing that Willis' involvement would significantly impact the film's casting and production. This anecdote illustrates the power of a star's influence and the importance of careful decision-making in filmmaking.

    • Tarantino's Persistence Led to Iconic Casting in Pulp FictionQuentin Tarantino's determination to cast Bruce Willis and John Travolta in Pulp Fiction paid off, revitalizing their careers and contributing to the film's international success. Tarantino's ability to recognize their potential and appeal to their unique talents led to memorable performances.

      Quentin Tarantino's persistence and ability to see the potential in actors led to the casting of Bruce Willis and John Travolta in "Pulp Fiction," resulting in significant success for the film. Tarantino believed that Willis would be perfect for the character of Butch and saw him as a 50s leading man. He convinced Willis to read the script with that character in mind, and the actor ultimately agreed to join the project. Tarantino had always been a fan of Travolta, who he believed was unfairly considered a has-been by Hollywood, despite the public's continued adoration of him. Tarantino took Travolta to a 50s-style restaurant, where the reaction from the crowd confirmed his belief in the actor's star power. These casting choices played a significant role in the film's success, particularly overseas. Tarantino's ear for accents, having grown up with a foreign parent, also influenced the creation of the character in "Glorious Bastards" who speaks fluent German with a subtle accent.

    • The Impact of Accents on Our PerceptionsAccents shape our experiences and perceptions, adding depth to storytelling and daily interactions. Authentic accents enhance suspense and authenticity in movies, while poorly executed ones detract.

      Accents play a significant role in shaping our perceptions and experiences. In the context of the discussion, the speaker shared how growing up with a foreign-born parent tuned their ear to specific accents and languages. They also noted how movies often overlook the importance of accents in creating suspense and authenticity. An original example given was the scene in "Fargo" where the protagonist's accent is a source of intrigue and potential danger. The speaker also appreciated Quentin Tarantino's use of authentic accents in films like "Kill Bill" and expressed frustration with poorly executed accents in other productions. Overall, the conversation emphasized the power of accents in storytelling and our daily interactions.

    • Michael Parks' Unexpected Performance in 'Bastard'Flexibility and adaptability in casting can lead to unexpected and impressive performances.

      During the table read for a movie production, Michael Parks unexpectedly stole the show when he was asked to take on the role of Esteban, which was originally cast for Ricardo Montalban but he couldn't attend. Parks, known for playing within his persona, impressed everyone with his ability to completely transform into a new character. The best filmmakers, like Quentin Tarantino and Christopher Nolan, still shoot on film, making it a unique and exclusive experience. An interesting detail in the "Bastard" scene came about when the three favorite swords were mentioned, which was a cool addition that came from the script. It's important to have flexibility and adaptability in casting, as Michael Parks' unexpected performance demonstrated.

    • Unexpected connections in comedySmall details and misunderstandings can lead to unique and memorable comedic moments, while embracing diversity in character writing is essential for success.

      Small details and unexpected connections can add depth and meaning to stories. This was illustrated in a conversation about a comedic routine, which originated from a misunderstanding between a woman from Iceland and an American. The routine, reminiscent of a bit from "Reservoir Dogs," became a stand-out part of a comedian's act after it was improvised during a movie cameo. The conversation also touched upon the topic of representation in media and how it can be a source of unnecessary pressure and expectations. Despite these challenges, the comedian shared that they have been successful in writing diverse characters and have not faced significant pushback. Overall, the conversation emphasized the importance of embracing the unexpected and finding humor in the everyday.

    • Hitchcock's clever use of the Hays CodeHitchcock subverted audience expectations by using the Hays Code to create unexpected endings, such as in 'Suspicion' where the audience, like the main character, believed Cary Grant's character was a killer but the ending revealed it was a misunderstanding

      Despite having different opinions on Hitchcock's films, particularly his endings, we can appreciate his clever use of the Hays Code to subvert expectations in his movies. For instance, in "Suspicion," the audience, like the main character, is led to believe that Cary Grant's character is trying to kill his wife. However, the ending reveals that it was all a misunderstanding, a subversion of the expected outcome. This use of the Hays Code against itself, or a "fukulafuk," adds an intriguing layer to Hitchcock's storytelling. Whether you're a Hitchcock fan or not, this technique showcases his innovative approach to filmmaking.

    • Tarantino's Fascination with Intriguing Villains and Revenge ThemesQuentin Tarantino emphasizes creating intriguing villains, exploring revenge themes, leaving audiences wanting more, and avoiding filmmaking for the wrong reasons.

      Quentin Tarantino's discussion about the suspenseful ending of "Suspicion" and his past work reveals his fascination with creating intriguing villains and exploring themes of revenge. He plans to write another film but is unsure of the direction, as he has completed ten movies and feels it's time to leave a lasting impression. Tarantino emphasizes the importance of leaving the audience wanting more and not producing films for the wrong reasons. Despite the challenges of saying goodbye to filmmaking, Tarantino is content with his successful and fortunate career.

    • Tarantino's focus on maintaining success and relevanceQuentin Tarantino values his impact on new filmmakers and continues to create new projects, emphasizing relevance and passion over resting on past accomplishments.

      Quentin Tarantino values the longevity and success he's achieved in the film industry at a high level. He continues to create new projects, such as an eight-episode limited series, and appreciates the impact his name has on new filmmakers. Tarantino emphasized that he doesn't want to be seen as an out-of-touch figure from the past but rather someone who remains relevant and passionate about his craft. He also mentioned that he enjoys the excitement and anticipation that comes with releasing a new project and the appreciation from his fans. Overall, Tarantino's focus is on maintaining his success and creating new works, rather than resting on past accomplishments.

    • Creating something new comes with unexpected costsDedication, resources, and adaptability are key to creating something new despite unexpected expenses.

      Creating something new, whether it's a project or a business, can be a costly and time-consuming process. The speaker shared his experience of producing a show, which required more money and time than anticipated. He was inspired by someone who encouraged him to just go out and make something, and despite the unexpected expenses, he remained committed. The speaker also mentioned how technology has made it possible to create with less financial investment, but if one chooses to spend more, they can. In the production of their show, they encountered unexpected costs, such as changing a car in the movie from a stick shift to an automatic, which required "all the money." The speaker also shared an anecdote about working with Leonardo DiCaprio, who improvised a scene of anger and self-pity, which required no written dialogue and allowed for greater authenticity. Overall, the takeaway is that creating something new requires dedication, resources, and a willingness to adapt to unexpected challenges.

    • The Marvelization of Hollywood: Franchise Characters Overpower ActorsThe current trend of Marvel movies dominating Hollywood has led to a lack of originality, surprise, and new talent in movies, as the focus shifts towards franchise characters instead of actors.

      The current dominance of Marvel movies in Hollywood has led to a situation where the franchise characters become the stars, rather than the actors portraying them. This shift has resulted in a lack of surprise and originality in movies, with many feeling like carbon copies of previous releases. The Marvelization of Hollywood has also led to a decrease in the number of movies featuring new and exciting actors, as the focus has shifted towards these franchise characters. The speaker expresses his disappointment in this trend, as he feels that the element of surprise and the excitement of discovering new talent are essential components of cinema that have been lost in the current era of Marvel movies.

    • Preferring Older Films for DiscussionSpeakers prefer discussing older films for authenticity and honesty, avoiding potential attacks or cheerleading for new releases, and focusing on one unfamiliar film per episode.

      The speakers in this conversation express a preference for discussing and analyzing older films rather than new releases. They believe that discussing new movies can feel like an attack or an ambush, and they don't want to be seen as cheerleading for others' work. Instead, they choose movies for their podcast based on the principle of watching at least one unfamiliar film with each episode, and they provide honest takes on those films. They also share stories about comedians like George Carlin and Don Rickles, who didn't rely on opening acts and instead used humor to interact with their audiences directly. Overall, the speakers value authenticity and honesty in their discussions of films and entertainment.

    • An embarrassing encounter with Martin ScorseseUnexpected encounters with industry legends can lead to cherished memories, even if they don't go as planned. Stay composed and maintain a positive attitude to turn potential embarrassments into valuable experiences.

      Unexpected encounters with industry legends, even if they don't go as planned, can lead to memorable experiences. Quentin Tarantino shares a story about his embarrassing encounter with Martin Scorsese on the set of "Casino," where he was mistaken for a disaster by Don Rickles and the crew. Despite the awkward situation, Tarantino learned that even legends like Scorsese and De Niro have a good sense of humor and can turn a potentially embarrassing moment into a cherished memory. This story illustrates the importance of staying composed and professional, even in high-pressure situations, and the value of maintaining a positive attitude in the face of unexpected challenges.

    • Casting Robert Forster in 'Jackie Brown' before finishing the script impacted missing opportunity to work with Robert De NiroBuilding relationships and considering potential collaborators early in the creative process is important.

      Quentin Tarantino's decision to cast Robert Forster in "Jackie Brown" before finishing the script led to missing an opportunity to work with Robert De Niro on the project. Tarantino, being a man of his word, honored his commitment to Forster, but De Niro expressed disappointment and regret for not being considered for the role earlier. Tarantino recognized Forster in a diner and felt a sense of satisfaction for discovering him before his fame grew. However, this decision prevented him from collaborating with De Niro on the film. This story illustrates the importance of building relationships and considering potential collaborators early in the creative process.

    • A heartfelt conversation about comedy and unread booksGenuine fan interaction and insightful questions can deepen understanding, even without finishing a book.

      The speaker had an interesting conversation with someone about his stand-up comedy career and his unread book. Despite not having read the entire manuscript, the speaker expressed his fandom and asked insightful questions. They also discussed the representation of women's feet in films and the speaker's comedy style. The conversation ended with the speaker agreeing to read the book and the other person expressing appreciation for the conversation. The conversation showcases the importance of genuine fan interaction and the power of good questions to deepen understanding. Additionally, the speaker's humor and unapologetic style were highlighted throughout the conversation.

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