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    Ep. 183 - It's Time To Excommunicate Pro-Abortion Catholics

    enJanuary 24, 2019

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    • New York's Controversial Abortion LawThe New York law allowing abortions up to birth is unnecessary, vague, and enables abortions for any reason, contradicting claims that late-term abortions are medically necessary. The extra step of killing the baby during a late-term abortion is gratuitous and amounts to murder.

      The New York abortion law allowing abortions up until birth under the guise of protecting a woman's health is unnecessary and vague, enabling women to get abortions for any reason. Late-term abortions are not medically necessary as a woman in her third trimester can deliver the baby through a C-section without the need for an abortion. The left's argument that late-term abortions are necessary is false, and the extra step of killing the baby during an abortion is gratuitous and amounts to murder. The governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, has not been excommunicated despite the controversial law, and the State of the Union address should be abolished due to its disgraceful and embarrassing nature.

    • No Moral Difference Between Late-Term and Post-Birth AbortionBoth late-term abortion and post-birth abortion are harmful and unnecessary, according to the speaker. They argue that there's no need to directly kill a baby during an emergency C-section, and that all arguments for abortion apply equally to post-birth procedures. The only sensible place to draw the line is at conception.

      There is no moral or practical difference between late-term abortion and post-birth abortion. Both are equally harmful and unnecessary, according to the speaker. They argue that while there are situations where a mother's health requires an emergency C-section, there has never been a case where the baby had to be directly killed during the process. Instead, the baby may not survive despite the best efforts of medical professionals. The speaker challenges pro-choice advocates to come up with arguments against post-birth abortion that don't also apply to late-term abortion, or arguments for late-term abortion that don't apply to post-birth abortion. They claim there are only four main arguments for abortion: autonomy, the fetus is not fully developed, the fetus is dependent on the mother, and overpopulation. The speaker asserts that all these arguments apply equally to post-birth procedures and that the only sensible place to draw the line is at conception.

    • The Debate Over Post-Birth AbortionsThe speaker argues for the legalization of post-birth abortions based on the infant's lack of autonomy, incomplete development, and unwanted status, suggesting that making them illegal would not stop them from happening and that providing a safe and sanitary facility would be a better alternative.

      The distinction between a human entity and a person should be drawn at the point of conception, but if not, there is no clear line to draw. The speaker argues that there is no significant difference between a fetus inside the womb and an infant outside, and the infant imposes a greater strain on a person's autonomy, time, energy, and finances. The speaker also raises the question of what should happen if a mother decides that she no longer wants to be a parent after the birth, and suggests that she should have the right to consult with a physician and make a decision that's best for her. The speaker's arguments are based on the infant's lack of autonomy, incomplete development, and unwanted status, making it a member of an overcrowded category. Post-birth abortions already occur, and making them illegal would not stop them from happening. Instead, providing a safe and sanitary facility would be a better alternative.

    • The slippery slope argument for abortionThe slippery slope argument questions the consistency of pro-abortion stance by raising potential implications for individuals beyond the womb

      The argument for abortion based on fetal development and a woman's autonomy could potentially be applied to justify the termination of the lives of individuals beyond the womb, such as toddlers, disabled individuals, and the elderly. This is known as the "slippery slope" argument, and while it may be considered a fallacy by some, it is a valid concern as it highlights the inconsistency and potential consequences of the pro-abortion stance. If we accept that personhood is based on physical and self-sufficient development, then we must consider the implications for those who do not meet these criteria. This argument should give pause to pro-abortion advocates and encourage a more nuanced and ethical consideration of the issue.

    • New York's Abortion Law: Catholic Bishops' Response is Criticized as InadequateSome Catholic bishops in New York are criticized for not taking stronger action against politicians who use their Catholic faith to support abortion policies, while others call for excommunication as a means of accountability.

      The Catholic Church, specifically the bishops in New York, have expressed sadness over the state's new abortion law, but some argue that their response is not strong enough. The law, which expands access to late-term abortions and removes state restrictions, has been celebrated by Governor Andrew Cuomo, who identifies as Catholic. Some believe that the bishops should take more decisive action, such as excommunication, to hold politicians who use their Catholic faith to advance abortion policies accountable. This is not the first time the Church has taken such action – in 1962, Catholic segregationists were excommunicated for publicly supporting racist policies despite being told to stop. The use of religion to justify morally questionable actions is a scandal for the Church, and some argue that more bold action is needed to address this issue.

    • Criticisms of the State of the Union address formatSome view the State of the Union address as a disgrace due to its excessive pageantry and lack of objective info. Critics want a straightforward statement, not a campaign-style speech with applause lines and theatrics. They also criticize the grand entrance and call for more transparency and accountability.

      The State of the Union address as it is currently structured and presented is viewed as a disgrace and a waste of time by some, due to its excessive pageantry and lack of objective information. The speaker expresses disappointment that President Trump, despite suggestions to cancel the address during the government shutdown, ultimately decided to proceed with the traditional format. They argue that the address should be a straightforward statement from the president about the state of the union, rather than a campaign-style speech with applause lines and theatrics. The speaker also criticizes the tradition of the president's grand entrance and the applause that follows, stating that it goes against the American spirit of having a public servant who works for the people. They challenge the notion that every State of the Union address paints an overly positive picture of the country's situation and call for more transparency and accountability in the address.

    • The number of orphans waiting to be adopted is irrelevant to the ethical question of abortionThe ethical question of abortion is not about the number of children in need of homes, but rather about a mother's inherent right to end a pregnancy

      The argument that banning abortion would lead to more orphans waiting to be adopted is both false and irrelevant to the ethical question of whether a mother has the right to terminate a pregnancy. While there are many children in foster care and waiting to be adopted, the reality is that babies are easily adopted in the United States, and there is a line of people waiting to adopt them. This argument is irrelevant because the ethical question surrounding abortion is not about the number of children in need of homes, but rather about the inherent right of a mother to end a pregnancy.

    • Moral and ethical questions about abortion not related to adoptionAbortion's morality not determined by adoptable children or fetus's personhood, moral decay caused by shared beliefs among powerful forces.

      The moral and ethical questions surrounding abortion are not related to adoption, and a fetus's personhood is not determined by physical development. Abortion is considered wrong based on these principles, regardless of the number of adoptable children. Additionally, the nation's moral decay is a result of shared ideologies among powerful forces and institutions, rather than a coordinated conspiracy. These entities do not need to conspire to bring down certain figures or ignore events like the March for Life because they already share the same beliefs and goals.

    • Historical issues require nuanced understandingConspiracy theories oversimplify historical issues and societal norms, requiring nuanced understanding and perspectives

      The spread of cultural influences and the shaping of societal norms often occurs through individual agreements and collective understandings, rather than through coordinated or concerted efforts. Furthermore, conspiracy theories often overestimate the intelligence and competence of those in power. Regarding the topic of land ownership in America, the idea that Europeans stole the land is an oversimplification. With an estimated 50 million indigenous people spread across millions of square miles in the Americas, it's unrealistic to assume that they collectively owned the entire hemisphere. Human civilization was meant to progress, not be confined to one side of the Atlantic. The notion that Europeans were invading as soon as they arrived is also an oversimplification. These complex historical issues require nuanced understanding and perspectives that go beyond simplistic labels and conspiracy theories.

    • Native American land ownership was complexEuropean colonization took land from Native Americans, but their societies and land ownership were complex and nuanced, involving communal use and frequent conflicts among tribes

      The idea of Native Americans collectively owning the entire Western Hemisseas before European arrival is an oversimplification. The concept of land ownership was complex among Native American tribes, who often did not view the land as exclusively theirs but rather used it communally. Furthermore, Native American tribes were not a homogeneous group, and they frequently engaged in conflicts, including land disputes, with each other. European colonization involved the taking of land from indigenous peoples, but it's essential to remember that this was a common practice during that era, not unique to Europeans. Additionally, defending and holding onto large territories was a challenge for most tribes, leading to the loss of land. While acknowledging the hardships and injustices inflicted upon Native Americans, it's important to approach the history of land ownership with nuance and recognize the complexities of indigenous societies and the dynamics of human civilization expansion.

    • The complexities and interconnectedness of human actions in historyThe Aztecs and Spanish conquistadors had similar practices, and it's essential to recognize the complexities of historical events, rather than labeling one side as the sole victim or perpetrator. Open dialogue and respect for diverse perspectives are crucial in educational settings.

      The Aztec civilization, which is often criticized for its barbaric practices like human sacrifices and land theft, was not unique in its actions. The Spanish conquistadors, who later took over the Aztecs, are also accused of stealing land and committing atrocities. However, it's important to note that the Aztecs obtained their land through similar means, and it's unclear who the original owners were. Therefore, it's not productive to label one side as the sole victim or perpetrator in this historical context. Instead, we should recognize the complexities and nuances of historical events and the interconnectedness of human actions. Furthermore, the discussion touched upon the challenges faced by conservative teachers and students in educational institutions. A high school teacher in suburban New York was suspended without pay for showing a Fox News documentary about due process in colleges. This incident highlights the importance of open dialogue and the need to respect diverse perspectives in academic settings. In conclusion, the Aztec civilization's history is a reminder of the complexities and interconnectedness of human actions. Meanwhile, the story of the suspended teacher underscores the importance of fostering an open and inclusive educational environment.

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