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    EP: 253 Nefarious with Directors Chuck and Cary

    enJuly 26, 2024
    What is the main theme of the movie 'Nefarious'?
    How did making 'Nefarious' change the directors' belief systems?
    What previous film did the directors create before 'Nefarious'?
    What is 'Believe Plus' and why was it launched?
    How can consumers influence media content according to the discussion?

    Podcast Summary

    • Nefarious directors' spiritual explorationThe directors of 'Nefarious' and 'Unplanned' create thought-provoking films that challenge the modern church's limited view of the supernatural and invite us to consider the reality of the spiritual world.

      The directors of the movie "Nefarious," Chuck and Carey, create thought-provoking films that explore the supernatural reality as Christians. Their film, which deals with demonic possession, faced resistance but has woken up many to the darkness and spiritual battles we face daily. The making of the film changed their belief system and showcased impossible events. Prior to "Nefarious," they produced "Unplanned," a pro-life movie, which faced similar challenges. Their work challenges the modern church's limited view of the supernatural and invites us to consider the reality of the spiritual world.

    • Supernatural challenges in movie productionProducing a movie with supernatural themes can bring unexpected challenges such as shooting in haunted locations, unexplained phenomena, and technical difficulties.

      Producing a movie, especially one with supernatural themes, can come with unexpected challenges. The production of "Nefarious" faced numerous issues from the very beginning, including shooting in a haunted prison and technical difficulties with communication devices. The team encountered unexplained phenomena, such as hearing hundreds of men snoring and brushing in a long-abandoned wing of the prison, despite it being locked down and in disrepair. The team also experienced a barrage of setbacks, including a pastor's emergency appendectomy and technical difficulties with recording interviews. These experiences raise questions about the capabilities of demons and other entities in the spiritual world, which can be difficult to understand and reason with based on personal beliefs. It's important to remember that demons and ghosts are not the same, with demons being fallen angels that existed before mankind and ghosts being trapped spirits.

    • Encounters with demonsDemons have a strong hatred towards humans, desire to cause harm, and ability to manipulate emotions and situations. They cannot be negotiated with or reasoned with, and their goal is to harm our souls. Be cautious and respectful of the spiritual world to avoid unwanted attention from demons.

      Encounters with demons are not to be taken lightly. According to the speaker's personal experiences, demons have an absolute hate for human beings, a palpable desire to cause harm, and the ability to enter our world through various means like Ouija boards or tarot cards. They can manipulate emotions and situations to lead us towards destruction. The speaker emphasizes that they cannot be negotiated with or reasoned with, and their ultimate goal is to cause harm to our souls. Demons are always watching, waiting for opportunities to enter our lives, and they use our weaknesses against us. It's essential to remember that we are not alone in this world, and we have guardian angels watching over us, but demons are a constant presence, ready to pounce at any moment. The speaker's experiences serve as a reminder to be cautious and respectful of the spiritual world and to avoid dabbling in practices that may invite unwanted attention from these malevolent entities.

    • Spiritual warfare on film setUnexplained events on a film set about spiritual warfare were perceived as divine intervention or protection, despite skepticism and resistance

      The production of a film about spiritual warfare between good and evil was met with a series of inexplicable and seemingly supernatural events, leaving the crew with a profound sense of the struggle between faith and fear. From encounters with unexplained accidents and malfunctions to eerie occurrences on set, the team experienced a sense of divine intervention and protection. Despite facing resistance and skepticism, they believed they were called to create a film that would reveal the truth about the occult and the power of faith. The team's experiences served as a reminder that the spiritual battle is real and that the devil, who hides in the shadows, will do all he can to prevent the truth from being revealed.

    • Occult practices, communicating with the deadEngaging with the occult or attempting to communicate with the dead can be dangerous and lead to unwanted consequences, including possession by demons. Skepticism and caution are encouraged, and protecting oneself and loved ones is important.

      Engaging with the occult or attempting to communicate with the dead can be dangerous and lead to unwanted consequences, including possession by demons. The speaker, who has a background in religious studies, emphasizes that it's not a matter of these practices not working, but rather the inherent danger they pose. He shares personal experiences, including a lecture by a Jesuit priest and a book about exorcisms, to illustrate the potential risks. The speaker encourages skepticism and caution, emphasizing that the living are surrounded by the dead, and communing with spirits can lead to the knowledge and influence of those spirits being channeled into the living. The speaker also promotes the importance of protecting one's 4-legged friends and maintaining their health, using Badlands Ranch and Superfood Complete as an example. Overall, the message is to be aware of the potential dangers and consequences of dabbling in the occult and to take steps to protect oneself and one's loved ones.

    • Film production and spiritual possessionHandling unexpected challenges during filming about spiritual possession requires faith and determination from cast and crew, leading to unexpected miracles and healings.

      Creating a film about spiritual possession requires careful preparation and respect for the supernatural. The cast and crew experienced numerous challenges, including the unexpected arrival of a baby during filming, which they handled with faith and determination. Actors, like Sean, had to give deeply emotional and nuanced performances, even when portraying a possessed character. The film's exploration of spiritual warfare and the presence of both good and evil forces on set led to unexpected miracles and healings. Overall, the production of this film demonstrated the power of faith and the importance of being prepared when delving into spiritual themes.

    • Evil spirits as parasitic entitiesEvil spirits can invade multiple hosts and open the door to demonic possession, emphasizing the importance of turning to God for redemption and avoiding practices that may invite them.

      The film "Nefarious" effectively conveys the idea that evil spirits are parasitic and can invade multiple hosts, much like how demons function in Christian belief. The film also highlights the importance of turning to God for redemption and the dangers of dabbling in practices that may open the door to demonic possession. Despite the challenges of making a spiritual film with depth and substance, "Nefarious" has resonated with audiences and sparked conversations about faith and spiritual warfare. The film's success demonstrates the potential impact of authentic portrayals of spiritual themes in media. Additionally, the creators of the film have plans for a TV show to continue exploring these themes in a more in-depth and sustained manner.

    • Religious themes, supernatural realityAvoiding heavier religious themes and the supernatural in churches can lead to a lukewarm faith, but approaching them with taste and artistry can inspire and remind us of the spiritual battle we're all a part of.

      The watering down of religious stories and avoiding the discussion of heavier themes like good and evil, hell, and the supernatural in churches can lead people to lose touch with their faith. This compromise for comfort and pleasure has resulted in a lukewarm faith for many. By approaching these topics with taste and artistry, as seen in the film, it can awaken people to the seriousness and reality of their faith, inspiring them to return to church and reject unhealthy practices. The struggle between conservative and liberal beliefs within the church is a global issue, with both sides dealing with the presence of demonic forces in different ways. The supernatural reality can be easily forgotten in our daily lives, but when confronted, it serves as a reminder of the spiritual battle we are all a part of. Making a film about these topics changed the filmmakers personally by driving them closer to their faith and reinforcing the importance of telling the truth in their message.

    • Creating impactful media in a pro-choice worldUnwavering commitment and faith are crucial for creating impactful media, even when facing challenges like FBI investigations and IRS audits. Stay true to your values and use media as a tool to spread light in a darkening world.

      Creating impactful media, especially in the face of adversity, requires unwavering commitment and faith. The filmmakers discussed their experiences creating pro-life movies in a pro-choice world, facing challenges such as FBI investigations and IRS audits. They emphasized the importance of staying true to their values and using media as a tool to spread light in a darkening world. They believe that the devil is panicking and that the power of media, particularly in the form of movies and TV shows, can change lives and bring people back to God. The filmmakers also warned against the danger of a watered-down version of Christianity that lacks authority and called upon Christians to recognize and embrace Jesus' role as an active fighter against evil.

    • Spiritual rules in exorcismsFormal rites of exorcism humiliate and punish demons, forcing them out, while malevolent spirits can influence heavy narcissistic behaviors and lead to deeper possession, emphasizing the importance of staying grounded in faith and being aware of spiritual forces.

      The universe, even when it comes to spiritual matters like exorcisms, has rules and order. The formal rite of exorcism serves to humiliate and punish demons, forcing them to endure a process until they are ejected. Some heavy narcissistic personality traits or behaviors might not be demonic possession per se, but they could be influenced by malevolent spirits working against the intended virtues. These spirits can gain control over people, leading them to deeper levels of possession. The world is filled with evil, and it's essential for Christians to recognize the power they hold and turn to Jesus for protection and guidance. The conversation emphasizes the importance of staying grounded in faith and being aware of the spiritual forces at play, rather than succumbing to fear or disbelief.

    • Media and ReligionConsumers have the power to support good content and promote positive change in the media industry by choosing to engage with and support media that aligns with their values.

      The entertainment industry is expanding its content production to include both religious and secular projects, while also launching a conservative streaming platform called Believe Plus in response to concerns about inappropriate content for children on mainstream platforms. The creators believe it's essential to make a choice between supporting good and evil content and encourage Christians and believers to engage in media creation to spread positive messages and values. The discussion also touched on the importance of being aware of the influence of media on children and the need for alternatives that align with traditional values. The takeaway is that consumers have the power to make a difference by supporting content that aligns with their values and promoting positive change in the industry.

    • Christian communicationAs Christians, it's essential to actively communicate our faith and values, not leaving it to those who don't share them. The 'Blurry Boys' and their work are an example of creating content with a Christocentric worldview.

      As Christians, it's important for us not to leave the communication of our faith and values to those who don't share them. The discussion emphasized the role of "Blurry Boys" and their work in creating content with a Christocentric worldview. The speakers encouraged each other to keep fighting the good fight and expressed gratitude for their collaboration. They also invited prayers for each other and encouraged listeners to go see the film "Nefarious" if they haven't already. The conversation highlighted the importance of being proactive in sharing the message of the gospel and not letting others monopolize its communication to kids, adults, and everyone in between.

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