Episode 3:08: Scaling the Alpine

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Coming up in this episode 1. We're diskless 2. We take a LEAF out of the history book 3. We climb the Alpine mountain 4. Pick a very small editor 5. And we don our hoodies Youtube Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W4NiS70bDU) Support us on Patreon! (https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace) 0:00 Cold Open 1:30 No Disks for You! 10:35 1997, LRP 11:43 2000, No More Money 13:09 2001, LRP Struggles 13:59 2003, LRP Put to Rest + LEAF and GNAP 14:58 2004, GNAP v0.5 15:04 2005, A Linux Powered Integrated Network Engine 16:18 2006, Alpine 1.4 | 2007, Alpine 1.5 and 1.6 16:37 2008, Alpine 2.0 Added Busybox 16:54 2009, Alpine 1.8 and 1.9 17:13 2010, Alpine 1.10 and 2.0 18:05 2011, Alpine 2.2 and 2.3 18:28 2012, Alpine 2.4 and 2.5 18:51 2013, Alpine and the Container Renaissance 20:11 2014, Alpine 3.0 and musl libc 20:43 2015, Alpine 3.2, 3.3 and Some Restructuring 21:19 2016, Alpine 3.4, 3.5 and OpenSSL 21:55 2017, Alpine 3.6, 3.7 and PostmarketOS 22:39 2018, Alpine 3.8 and Raspberry Pi 3 Support 23:01 2019, Alpine 3.9, 3.10 and 3.11 24:08 2020, Alpine 3.12 and the Last LEAF 24:28 2021, Alpine 3.13, 3.14 and 3.15 25:10 2022, Alpine 3.16 and the End of the History 26:45 What is Alpine, Really? 41:34 Our Thoughts on Alpine 1:04:07 Next Time! More Text Ed and a New Distro 1:13:58 Stinger Banter Disks! They're dead, Jim. Dan's 3TB Seagate - not noted for reliability but was reliable. Leo's 240GB Adata SU630 Announcements Give us a sub on YouTube (https://linuxuserspace.show/youtube) You can watch us live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode drops. If you like what we're doing here, make sure to send us a buck over at https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace Alpine Linux the History Back in 1997, Dave Cineage created the Linux Router Project, or LRP. (https://web.archive.org/web/19981212030604/http://www.linuxrouter.org/) The Linux Embedded Appliance Framework, or LEAF project was started (https://web.archive.org/web/20010702160257/http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=13751) Oxygen (https://web.archive.org/web/20010702153509/http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=47922) EigerStein (https://web.archive.org/web/20011101024349/http://leaf.sourceforge.net:80/content.php?menu=9&page_id=2) The Linux Router Project was done (https://web.archive.org/web/20060421174527/http://www.linuxrouter.org/) The LEAF project was still there (https://lwn.net/Articles/37894/) August of 2005, Natanael Copa, while working (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5n_5Idlxvo) for a non-profit company on VPNs and firewalls, announced (https://web.archive.org/web/20110615024325/http://osdir.com/ml/linux.leaf.devel/2005-08/msg00039.html) a new distribution on the linux.leaf.devel mailing list. Alpine originally stood for (https://web.archive.org/web/20100508011627/http://www.alpinelinux.org/wiki/About) A Linux Powered Integrated Network Engine. The earlier versions are a little cloudy, but we see (https://web.archive.org/web/20081013232448/http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page) Alpine 1.4 being developed in 2006, 1.5 in 2007, Alpine 1.6 released on April 30th of 2007 and the switch to development of 1.7 in the days after. Alpine 2.0, the then development branch, first commit "added busybox" (https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/commit/645531103b2ee8ef54d53a58eca3b52f7d3fb9ac) Alpine 1.9 (https://web.archive.org/web/20091103100326/http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/w/index.php?title=Release_Notes_for_Alpine_1.9.0) - OpenRC shipped and able to install on hard disks. A new website is launched (https://web.archive.org/web/20101212021228/http://alpinelinux.org/wiki/Main_Page) Alpine Linux 2.0 is released (https://web.archive.org/web/20100821094210/http://www.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Release_Notes_for_Alpine_2.0.0) The team announced the Alpine Linux Forum. (https://web.archive.org/web/20160531153546/http://www.alpinelinux.org:80/posts/Alpine-Linux-forums.html) Alpine 3.0 is released, and uClibc is dropped (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.0.0-released.html) in favor of musl libc. Alpine 3.2 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.2.0-released.html) and included the MATE desktop. Alpine 3.3 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.3.0-released.html) with big renames of the editions that already existed. Alpine 3.4 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.4.0-released.html) with support for running within VM's, better DNS support and running on the Linux Kernel's Long Term Support release 4.4. Alpine 3.5 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.5.0-released.html) and this marks the first version to drop OpenSSL for LibreSSL. Alpine 3.6 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.6.0-released.html) with support for 64-bit PowerPC and IBM z Systems. Alpine 3.7 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.7.0-released.html) and now supports EFI and GRUB. Alpine 3.8 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.8.0-released.html) a bit behind schedule and marks the only release of the year. Alpine 3.9 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.9.0-released.html) improved GRUB support, initial support for the newish ARMv7 and the switch back to OpenSSL. Alpine 3.10 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.10.0-released.html) with lightdm for login and display management, which shows a renewed interest in running Alpine on the desktop. Alpine 3.11 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.11.0-released.html) with Raspberry Pi 4 support, initial Gnome and KDE Plasma support and the addition of Vulkan, DXVK and the Rust programming language. Alpine 3.12 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.12.0-released.html) with support for the D programming language. Alpine and others just do it better, so LEAF sees (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LEAF_Project) its last stable release at 7.0.1 Alpine 3.13 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.13.0-released.html) and comes with official cloud images for services like AWS, cloud-init and better wifi support on the software side. Alpine 3.14 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.14.0-released.html) with fail2ban taking a back seat to sshguard because it... failed... to ban... and ClamAV is now community supported. Alpine 3.15 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.15.0-released.html) with kernel module compression using gzip, Gnome 41 and Plasma 5.23 land, and disk encryption is now supported right in the installer. Alpine 3.16 is released (https://alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-3.16.0-released.html) as the last release of this history with better NVMe support, adding SSH keys at boot, a new admin user creation process and a new setup-desktop script for desktop environment installation. More Announcements Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, contact@linuxuserspace.show Alpine Linux Links Alpine Linux Web Page (https://www.alpinelinux.org) Alpine Wiki (https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/) Alpine user handbook (https://docs.alpinelinux.org/) Alpine Linux on Twitter (https://twitter.com/alpinelinux) Alpine Downloads (https://www.alpinelinux.org/downloads/) Alpine Linux Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux) Housekeeping Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) Next Time We will discuss GNU Nano (https://nano-editor.org) and the history. We also hope to have a couple of topics and some feedback. Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned and interact with us on Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge our top patrons. Thank you for your support! Producer Bruno John Dave Co-Producer Johnny Sravan Tim Contributor Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Jill and Steve LiNuXsys666 Nicholas Paul sleepyeyesvince

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en-usJanuary 22, 2024

Episode 4:11: Why Don't You Use Linux?

Coming up in this episode * The Linux Desktop is the best! * There are humans on the other end of the Internet. * We do some Browser spectating. * Gentoo loses its mind. 0:00 Cold Open 1:43 Why Not Linux? 25:39 Browser Watch! 55:47 Reverb Focus 1:10:18 Community Focus: DB Tech 1:15:03 Gentoo Focus 1:24:26 Next Time: KDE History 1:26:31 Stinger Watch the video version: https://youtu.be/P6irQ0xyv-U So, why don't you use Linux? The Mastodon post (https://theres.life/@arraybolt3/111681525443443676) that sparked our conversation. It also got posted to Reddit and this was one reply (https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/s/v6zShddD3j) 🚨Warning NSFW language🚨 Announcements This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 Browser Watch Firefox 120 came with some great new features (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/120.0/releasenotes/). Firefox 121 got Wayland by default with a fallback to XWayland (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/121.0/releasenotes/) Vivaldi 6.5 (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-desktop-6-5/) introduces the Sessions Panel, improved syncing, and improved notes. More Announcements Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, contact@linuxuserspace.show OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Reverb Focus Ian Don't forget about Enlightenment which had a recent release (http://www.enlightenment.org/news/2023-12-23-enlightenment-0.26.0). Vidar Big thanks for binging all the back episodes, we hope you stay tuned for more. We might make it to a BSD episode someday. Zgembo121 Too many Gnome extensions is too much. Vanilla is the way. Spacelem Started with Gnome 2.4 then jumped to Cinnamon. Gnome is really different from other desktop environments. Housekeeping Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Community Focus - DB Tech (https://www.youtube.com/@DBTechYT) DB Tech Links (https://dbt3.ch/@dbtech) DB Tech Web Site (https://dbtechreviews.com/) DB Tech YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DBTechYT) Gentoo Focus Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1) FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released. Gentoo Going Binary (https://www.gentoo.org/news/2023/12/29/Gentoo-binary.html) Thanks Bikhu for the reminder Next Time We plan to explore and provide the history of KDE Plasma Desktop (https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim GrouchyM Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Linux User Space

en-usJanuary 08, 2024

Episode 4:10: GNOME in the Home

Coming up in this episode * The Browser Watch Leftovers * The History of GNOME * And Why Gnome is the best desktop * And a little holiday break Timestamps 0:00 Cold Open 1:29 Riding the Lightning 16:45 GNOME History: Pre-GNOME 23:01 GNOME History: GNOME 1.x 25:58 GNOME History: GNOME 2.x 33:22 GNOME History: GNOME 3.x 41:31 GNOME History: GNOME 40 and Beyond 48:01 How'd GNOME Go? 1:15:39 Next Time: Topics & KDE 1:26:18 Stinger Watch the Video! https://youtu.be/PxDELH497Ro Mini Browser Watch October 30, Mozilla announces the nightly Deb packages (https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2023/10/30/introducing-mozillas-firefox-nightly-deb-packages-for-debian-based-linux-distributions/) November 30, Mozilla announces the developer and beta Deb packages (https://hacks.mozilla.org/2023/11/firefox-developer-edition-and-beta-try-out-mozillas-deb-package/) Announcements This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 The History of Gnome The email in 1997 to start it all (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/1997-August/msg00123.html) Development snapshot 0.13 announcement (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/1998-March/msg00002.html) GNOME 1.0 release (https://foundation.gnome.org/1999/03/03/gnome-1-0-released/) GUADEC (https://wiki.gnome.org/GUADEC) GNOME OG website (https://web.archive.org/web/20000407082920/http://www.gnome.org/) GNOME revamped website (https://web.archive.org/web/20000621134911/http://www.gnome.org/) HP's HP/UX and Sun's Solaris announce they would be using GNOME (https://www.computerworld.com/article/2596398/unix-vendors-adopt-gnome-desktop.html) as their default desktops. GNOME Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation) GNOME 2.0 release (https://foundation.gnome.org/2002/06/26/gnome-2-0-released-desktop-environment-boasts-simpler-user-interface-and-a-host-of-powerful-developer-tools/) Ubuntu 4.10 ships GNOME 2.8 (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000003.html) GNOME no longer part of GNU (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00055.html) GNOME was no longer an acronym. (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2010-April/msg00050.html) Gnome 3.0 arrives (https://foundation.gnome.org/2011/04/06/gnome-3-0-has-arrived/) Linus Torvalds noted (https://digitizor.com/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome-for-xfce/) Linus Torvalds, originally critical, returned to using GNOME for his day to day work, but noted that (https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-switches-back-to-gnome-3-x-desktop/) Groupon, the couponing company, decided that they would make a tablet and name it... GNOME (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/s/groupon-gnome-legal-war-almost-080504914.html). Again, the target of litigation (https://www.zdnet.com/article/leave-gnome-alone-this-patent-troll-is-asking-for-trouble/) Rothschild Patent Imaging was stripped of its patent rights (https://blog.opensource.org/gnome-patent-troll-stripped-of-patent-rights/) Gnome 40 (https://forty.gnome.org/) The Gnome 40 announcement (https://foundation.gnome.org/2021/03/24/gnome-40-release/) The Gnome 45 announcement (https://foundation.gnome.org/2023/09/20/introducing-gnome-45/) Original GNOME introduction (https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3139) (~99) The Evolution of the GNOME Project (http://turingmachine.org/files/papers/dmg_wosse2002add.pdf) Using GNOME gmc (https://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=131217&seqNum=12) (GNOME Midnight Commander) "A Brief History of GNOME" Presentation Notes (https://blogs.gnome.org/jrb/files/2017/07/A-Brief-History-of-GNOME-1.pdf) "A Brief History of GNOME" Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUmptI6O2w) GNOME 2.0 - 40 Release Notes (https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/) More Announcements Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, contact@linuxuserspace.show OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Housekeeping Catch all the great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord or Lemmy. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Next Time Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the KDE Plasma Desktop Environment (https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/). We are taking a mini-holiday 🎄 pause, we will see you in the new year. ☃️ We wish you a happy holiday season! ❄️ Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim GrouchyM Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Linux User Space

en-usDecember 11, 2023

Episode 4:09: Giddy Up

Coming up in this episode * Leo makes me a LUSsh 🍻 * Official standings for a browser * We strum some reverberations * Focus on the HQ * Focus on the sounds * Forecast the future Watch the video! https://youtu.be/-b1gHt0v4q8 Timestamps 0:00 Cold Open 2:05 Go to lus.sh 8:38 Fed Up with Ubuntu? 14:20 * Forced Snaps 21:24 * Ads in the Terminal 27:00 * Telemetry?! 29:42 * Ubuntu is Anti-Freedom? 32:21 * Maybe use Linux Mint 34:43 Browser Watch 34:57 * The Vivaldi Flatpak 39:49 * Vivaldi on iOS 42:54 * iOS May Go WebKit Free 47:53 Reverb Focus 48:05 * Ian 53:13 * Dan! 58:26 * TeamLinux01 1:03:16 Community Focus: SteamDeckHQ 1:10:54 Gentoo Focus #5 1:23:46 Next Time: Gnome History 1:26:54 Stinger lus.sh (http://lus.sh) .sh is a common Shell Script file extension .sh is the first two letters in "show" like its bigger domain name brother .sh is also the first two letters in "short" Announcements This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 Why Do We Still Use Ubuntu? TLDR we(Leo and Dan) don't mind some of the choices Ubuntu has made but we can appreciate that there are good alternatives for those that want to go a different way. More Announcements Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, contact@linuxuserspace.show OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Browser Watch! Vivaldi on Flatpak is Officially Unofficial Vivaldi Flatpak on Flathub (https://flathub.org/apps/com.vivaldi.Vivaldi) OMGUbuntu coverage (https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/vivaldi-web-browser-flathub) Vivaldi is also on iOS Vivaldi is on iOS (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-launches-on-ios/) It has great features (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-ios-6-4/) The Chromium devs are developing a Blink version for iOS (https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/04/google-working-on-browser-that-would-break-rules/) Firefox devs are developing a Gecko version for iOS (https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/07/mozilla-developing-non-webkit-version-of-firefox/) Housekeeping Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Reverb Focus Ian comments on YouTube about Ed You can see the comments on this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUCuzkKGHos) Dan commented about Xfce history, Manjaro and KDE Plasma You can watch our Xfce history on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyI3pMqjQvo) Or TILvids (https://tilvids.com/w/6gFtNH1XywyFNd3heKHFro) TeamLinux01 wants to hear about Valve's Linux journey Thanks for the feedback. I think this might just be the push we needed to look into the history of Steam and Linux. We're both big fans so it makes sense. Community Focus - Steamdeck HQ (https://steamdeckhq.com/) Main Website - Steamdeck HQ (https://steamdeckhq.com/) Steamdeck HQ YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI49gT5yWGP7fLn2ql-DlgA) Steamdeck HQ on Mastodon (https://mastodon.world/@steamdeckhq) Gentoo Focus Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1) FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released. Next Time We plan to explore and provide the history of Gnome Desktop Environment (https://www.gnome.org/). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim GrouchyM(New Member🎉) Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Linux User Space

en-usNovember 27, 2023

Episode 4:08: Cholesterol Free

Coming up in this episode * A little Musing on CDE * A few answers from the man himself * The history of XFce * How it went * And a new journey 0:00 Cold Open 1:29 Ask Olivier 20:04 Xfce History: In the Beginning (1996) 22:08 Enter XFce (1997) 24:47 The XForms Problem (1998) 25:56 The Third (1999) 29:32 The Fourth (2001-2015) 32:59 The Third, Again (2016-2023) 36:22 More Questions! 45:50 How'd Xfce Go? 1:02:25 Next Time 1:09:45 Stinger You can also watch on Youtube https://youtu.be/-tuDFBMJsxE Announcements This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 The History of Xfce Olivier Fourdan posted a question (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1997/0218.html) to a few newsgroups that got things started. XForms toolkit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XForms_(toolkit)) An early release announcement - 2.3.0 (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/0110-a.html) Changelog for 2.4.0 (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/0317-b.txt) which shows changes all the way back to the beginning. XFce 2.4 User Guide (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/xfce-2.4/en/index.html) XFce 3.2 User Guide (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/xfce-3.2/help.html) 2000 Interview - 10 Questions with Olivier Fourdan (https://web.archive.org/web/20001017144724/http://www.linuxorbit.com/features/interview1.php3) 2001 Interview (https://web.archive.org/web/20010603075344/http://www.moongroup.com/stories.php?story=01/05/01/0821338) XFce 4.0 announcement September 25th 2003 (https://web.archive.org/web/20031002123938/http://www.xfce.org/en/press_release_en.html) xfce goes all lowercase (https://web.archive.org/web/20040607035013/http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=news⟨=en) 2007 Interview (https://web.archive.org/web/20070116201506/http://linuxgazette.net/issue43/jacobowitz.xfce.html) 2009 Linux Journal Interview (https://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/xfce-third-man) 2009 Slashgear Interview (https://www.slashgear.com/xfce-creator-talks-linux-moblin-netbooks-and-open-source-0633329/) 2017 Interview with Sean Davis (https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/interview-xfce.html) Xfce 4.4 - 4.18 (https://xfce.org/about/news) More Announcements Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, contact@linuxuserspace.show OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Housekeeping Catch all the great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord or Lemmy. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Next Time Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the Gnome Desktop Environment (https://www.gnome.org/). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Linux User Space

en-usNovember 13, 2023

Episode 4:07: Monster In The Middle

Coming up in this episode * Buntober? * We Keep the IPs safe * Cryptic greetings * Some feedback * and we get double focused We do video, too! https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q 407 Audio Timestamps 0:00 Cold Open 1:48 Ubuntu Attacks! 17:20 Google Protection? 31:36 Encrypted Client Hello 46:33 Reverb 1:17:15 Gentoo Focus 1:26:42 Stinger We're both on Ubuntu 23.10.... WHAT?! Ubuntu Desktop (https://ubuntu.com/desktop) Ubuntu Flavors (https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours) 23.10 Release Announcement (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-23-10-mantic-minotaur-released/39495) Leo is all aboard on the Wayland hotness on the main Ubuntu desktop and Dan is trying out Xubuntu to pair with our Xfce journey. Announcements This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 Google is protecting our IPs Google Chrome's IP Protection (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-chromes-new-ip-protection-will-hide-users-ip-addresses/) More Announcements Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, contact@linuxuserspace.show OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Cryptic Greetings Encrypted Client Hello (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/encrypted-hello/) HTTPS - RFC 2818 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2818) Server Name Indication (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3546) Firefox 119 release notes (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/119.0/releasenotes/) Housekeeping Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Reverb Focus Stewie on the Gentoo Checkin in episode 405 A decent overview about Swap Space (https://phoenixnap.com/kb/swap-space) Dominic on Telegram Why does everything look like Windows? Windows, Icons, Menus and Panels aka WIMP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIMP_(computing)) is popular and familiar. Nate on Telegram Nate is running Plasma (https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/) in a Wayland session (https://wayland.freedesktop.org/) on openSUSE Tumbleweed (https://get.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/) on his Framework Laptop (https://frame.work/) with success. John A. on Lemmy John recommends keeping our Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) instance limited to Patrons (https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace). Community Focus - Craft Computing Craft Computing YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@CraftComputing) Craft Computing Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/CraftComputing) Craft Computing on X (https://twitter.com/CraftComputing) Craft Computing subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/CraftComputing/) Gentoo Focus Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1) FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released. Next Time We plan to explore and provide the history of XFCE (https://xfce.org). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Linux User Space

en-usOctober 30, 2023

Episode 4:06: Anything But Common

Coming up in this episode * We do a little upgrade * Firefox fixes a tooltip * The History of W, V, X and CDE * How it went * And a new old desktop to explore 0:00 Cold Open 1:42 Lemmy's Upgraded! 10:56 A 22 Year Old Bug 15:50 Install Firefox Correctly 22:22 CDE History: Intro 24:04 CDE History: X 27:33 CDE History: OPEN LOOK 29:25 CDE History: COSE 31:28 CDE History: CDE & Others 34:24 CDE History: The Opening 36:14 CDE History: The Releases 43:02 How'd CDE Go? 1:16:00 Next Time 1:21:29 Stinger Watch the video! (https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q) https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q Banter The LUS Lemmy instance (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) got an update (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/releases/tag/1.2.0). The ansible repo switched to tagged releases. There were ⚠️breaking changes⚠️ that needed to be prepared for (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/blob/main/README.md#upgrading). One of the issues Dan had is likely fixed now. (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/commit/300a261b2a346dd6489f5eb43d6af632633f4059) The Bug (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/22-year-old-firefox-tooltip-bug-fixed-in-a-few-lines-offering-hope-to-us-all/) that's old enough to drink and drive, but hopefully not at the same time! Dan installed Firefox (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-from-mozilla-builds) from the .tar.gz download. Spoiler - it updates just fine because my user is the owner in the /opt directory. Announcements This program was made possible by: * The letters W, V, X, C, D and E * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 The History of The Common Desktop Environment (CDE) (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/) The Andrew Project (https://web.archive.org/web/20120717074939/http://www.cmu.edu/corporate/news/2007/features/andrew/what_is_andrew.shtml) W was a windowing system that was originally written for the V operating system (https://web.archive.org/web/20040522163027/http://eia.udg.es/~teo/sd/documents/articles/p314-cheriton.pdf). In 1984, Robert Scheifler wrote (https://www.talisman.org/x-debut.shtml). X is our “reaction” to W (https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/22949.24053) Ultrix Window Manager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrix_Window_Manager), or uwm Tom's Window Manager, which eventually became Tab Window Manager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm), or twm Open Look Specification (https://archive.org/details/openlookgraphica00sunm) The OSF narrows the search for a User Interface (https://books.google.com/books?id=szsEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=open%20look&f=false). HP (https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Company-Publications/HP-Journal/90s/HPJ-1990-06.pdf) and Microsoft's CXI and DEC's XUI to create the HP OSF/Motif Window Manager. Sun went on to build OpenWindows (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWindows), which was X with OPEN LOOK on top to replace SunView (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunView). COSE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Open_Software_Environment) In 1994, The OSF and Unix International, a body meant to standardize UNIX, merged (https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.osf.misc/c/Q2uTrTvB8bY/m/8SMI8V-JvE4J), and in 96, merged again (https://www.tech-insider.org/unix/research/1996/0214.html) with X/Open into The Open Group. Motif and CDE became one (https://groups.google.com/g/cu.motif-talk/c/xMQ-2cBi9bU/m/_VTikcvANZkJ) KDE enters the scene (https://groups.google.com/g/de.comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ). May of 2000 when Motif was released (https://web.archive.org/web/20131003125200/https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.windows.x.announce/K2LrU6QusnA/5fRzz-NBIrAJ) as OpenMotif. LessTif, because Less is Mo, published an initial statement (https://web.archive.org/web/20000619030034/http://www.lesstif.org/future.html) August 6th, 2012, CDE was relicensed (https://web.archive.org/web/20121124230739/http://devio.us/~kpedersen/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1293) under the LGPL and was available on SourceForge, where it still lives today. After opening it up, 2.2.1 was released on March 1st, 2014 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/32043063/). The final release, at least as of this recording, 2.5.1 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/37715846/), dropped in October of 2022. More Announcements Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, contact@linuxuserspace.show OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Housekeeping Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Next Time Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the Xfce Desktop Environment (https://xfce.org/) Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Linux User Space

en-usOctober 16, 2023

Episode 4:05: The Time to Switch Is Now!

Coming up in this episode * You are so far aWAY from me * We are watching out for the browsers * A little reverb focus * Community and GenTOO Timestamps 0:00 Cold Open 1:40 The Wayland Soapbox 20:33 Browser Watch 46:27 Reverb Focus 1:12:02 Community Focus 1:14:46 Gentoo Focus 1:29:30 Next Time: CDE History! 1:31:50 Stinger Watch the Video! (https://youtu.be/ZIL1ssfGx9k) https://youtu.be/ZIL1ssfGx9k Social Soapbox - Wayland Nate Graham's blog post - So let's talk about this Wayland thing (https://pointieststick.com/2023/09/17/so-lets-talk-about-this-wayland-thing/) The Wayland Protocol (https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/) Wayland from the Arch Wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wayland) Wayland from the Gentoo Wiki (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland) Announcements This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 Browser Watch Vivaldi’s Open Letter — Microsoft DMA Compliance (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldis-open-letter-microsoft-dma-compliance/) Deciding for ourselves: 98% of people want a browser choice screen, Mozilla study finds (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/browser-choice-screen-study/) It's time to ditch Chrome and fall in love with Firefox (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/118.0/releasenotes/) again. More Announcements Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, contact@linuxuserspace.show OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Reverb Focus Stewie - Why GRUB? Gentoo Wiki - GRUB (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB) GRUB2 Gentoo Quick Start (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Quick_Start) Dai - Telemetry Fedora considers adding telemetry (https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/10/fedora_privacy_telemetry/) Fedora Wiki on the proposal (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry) Endless OS's optional telemetry (https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2023/07/05/endless-oss-privacy-preserving-metrics-system/) Ganome - Gentoo Switching to the Gnome Profile (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Profile_(Portage)) doesn't install Gnome (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/Guide#Installation) but it is an important step. emerge --ask gnome-base/gnome is what installs the desktop. Rene Wi-Fi Sheep (https://wifisheep.co.uk/) RISC OS Developments Ltd (https://www.riscosdev.com/) RISC OS Open (https://www.riscosopen.org/content/) RISC OS Info (https://www.riscos.info/index.php/RISC_OS) RISC OS at Distrowatch (https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=risc) Plan9 Foundation (https://p9f.org/) leepsvideo YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@leepspvideo) EasyOS (https://easyos.org/) Housekeeping Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Community Focus - Jorge Castro Jorge Castro (https://www.youtube.com/@JorgeCastro) Universal Blue (https://universal-blue.org/) Jorge at GitHub (https://github.com/castrojo) Gentoo Focus Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1) FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released. Gentoo MAKEOPTS jobs (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MAKEOPTS) Next Time We plan to explore and provide the history of CDE or Common Desktop Environment (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince

Linux User Space

en-usOctober 02, 2023

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