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    From the Vault: Carl Zimmer on Heredity's Power

    enMay 11, 2019

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    • Our connection to ancestors through DNA is more complex than we thinkOnly about half of our ancestors from 10 generations ago have a genetic link to us, but we're still connected through shared ancestral mutations

      Learning from this conversation with Carl Zimmer is that our understanding of heredity is more complex than we might think. While we may feel a deep connection to our ancestors and believe that we carry their genetic information within us, the reality is that the DNA we inherit is subject to a stochastic process that means only a fraction of our ancestors' DNA is passed down to us. According to Zimmer, if we go back about 10 generations, only about half of our ancestors have a genetic link to us. This counterintuitive finding was further explored by mathematician Joseph Chang, who discovered that despite this apparent loss of genetic information, we are still connected to our ancestors through shared ancestral mutations. These discoveries challenge us to broaden our perspective on heredity and recognize that it's not just about specific bits of DNA, but rather the complex interplay of genetic and environmental factors that shape who we are.

    • Human ancestry folds in on itselfDespite having countless ancestors, we can trace a common one within the last few thousand years due to shared lineage

      Despite the vast number of ancestors we all have if we were to trace our lineage back through simple branching, human ancestry actually folds in on itself due to common ancestors. This means that it's possible to trace a common ancestor for everyone on Earth within the past few thousand years. This realization, as Joseph Chang discovered, ties us all together, and it's quite likely that many famous figures from history are ancestors to a large portion of the population. However, ancient thinkers did not contemplate heredity in the same way we do today. They didn't understand the concept of genetics and inheritance as we do now. Instead, the term "heredity" referred to inheriting material possessions, such as land or houses. It wasn't until much later that the concept of genetic inheritance began to emerge. An interesting example is Montaigne's essay from around 1580, where he pondered the inheritance of a medical condition, kidney stones, from his father. He wondered how this could be, as his father didn't have the condition when Montaigne was born. This shows that the understanding of heredity has evolved significantly over time.

    • Ancient thinkers focused on environment's impact, not heredityBefore the 1700s, agricultural thinkers didn't consider heredity as a factor in farming and breeding, instead emphasizing the environment's influence.

      The way we think about heredity and its influence on farming and breeding is a product of the modern age. Ancient thinkers like Aristotle and Albertus Magnus did not discuss the possibility of hereditary traits passing down through generations in their writings about agriculture. Instead, they focused on the environment and its impact on crops and animals. It wasn't until the 1700s that there was a push to use heredity to enrich nations, leading to the selective breeding of animals and crops. This new focus on heredity laid the foundation for the work of Gregor Mendel and the discovery of genetics.

    • The history of heredity and genetics: From Darwin to eugenicsThe history of genetics involves discoveries leading to advancements, but also the misuse of knowledge in eugenics.

      The history of understanding heredity and genetics is a complex one filled with excitement, discovery, and eventual misuse. The modern concept of heredity began to emerge in the late 1800s, with Charles Darwin's theory of evolution leading scientists to question how traits are passed down from parents to offspring. However, it wasn't until after Darwin's death that the science of genetics was truly born, with the discovery of chromosomes and the rediscovery of Mendel's laws. Unfortunately, this newfound knowledge was later misused in the form of eugenics, which emerged from the belief that certain groups of people were inherently inferior and that their traits could be bred out. This belief system ultimately led to the horrors of the Third Reich. It's important to remember that the history of science is not always a straight line from discovery to application, and that the potential for misuse must always be considered alongside the potential for good.

    • The misuse of scientific research in genetics and eugenics can have devastating consequencesHistorical examples of sloppy or fraudulent research in genetics and eugenics, such as Henry Goddard's work, can lead to harmful beliefs and policies, including forced sterilization and mass murder. It's crucial to remain humble in the face of complexity in human biology and avoid letting old biases and prejudices be reinforced by new discoveries.

      The misuse of scientific research, particularly in the field of genetics and eugenics, can have devastating consequences. The origins of the American Eugenics Movement, as discussed in the context of Henry Goddard's work, serve as a cautionary tale. Sloppy or fraudulent research can contribute to the propagation of harmful beliefs and policies, such as forced sterilization and even mass murder. It's essential to remain humble in the face of complexity in our biology and recognize the potential dangers of bad science combined with existing prejudices. As we continue to make advances in genetics and genomics, it's crucial not to let our old biases and prejudices be reinforced by new discoveries. Instead, we should learn from history and strive for a better understanding of the complexities of human biology. Additionally, the scientific concept of race, which developed during the same time period, has been complicated and, in some ways, undermined by modern discoveries in genomics. It's essential to recognize the limitations of the concept of race and avoid using it as a justification for discrimination or harm.

    • The scientific understanding of race has evolvedOld ideas of race and heredity, based on inherent inferiority, have been challenged by genetics and epigenetics, leading to a focus on more complex ways to understand population genetics and ancestry.

      The concept of race, as it was understood in the past, does not align with modern scientific understanding. Old ideas of race, based on inherent inferiority, have been challenged by genetics and the discovery of epigenetics. Genetics provided a major answer to the scientific question of heredity in the 1800s, but it is now clear that heredity is more complex than just the transmission of genes. Epigenetics, the study of molecules that control genes, is a major area of exploration in understanding how each generation is connected to the previous ones. Epigenetic changes, influenced by experiences, can be inherited, but the extent to which this occurs and how it impacts future generations is still an open question. The old ideas of race and heredity are no longer sufficient, and scientists are now focusing on more complex ways to understand population genetics and ancestry.

    • Exploring the Impact of Environment on Gene Expression (Epigenetics) and Non-Genetic Inheritance (Culture and Microbiology)Epigenetics is a fascinating area of research in plants, but its significance in humans remains debated. Culture and microbiology, however, are proven forms of non-genetic inheritance, shaping civilizations and revolutionizing our understanding of human health through the study of the microbiome

      The field of epigenetics, which explores how environmental factors can influence gene expression without altering the DNA sequence, is an exciting area of research, especially in plants. However, its significance in humans remains controversial, with some scientists questioning its importance due to limited evidence and the prevalence of epigenetic-related trends in popular culture. On the other hand, culture and microbiology are two other forms of non-genetic inheritance that have a profound impact on humans. Culture, as a means of passing down knowledge, beliefs, and customs, plays a crucial role in shaping civilizations. Microbiology, specifically the study of the microbiome, has revolutionized our understanding of the inner world of bacteria living on and in us. Through advanced DNA sequencing techniques, scientists have discovered the presence of thousands of species in our guts and on our skin. A fascinating example of this is the discovery of unique bacteria in belly button lint, which challenges our understanding of the microbiome and its potential impact on human health.

    • Our understanding of heredity is more complex than previously thought due to the influence of microbes on our geneticsDiscoveries of symbiotic relationships between animals and bacteria, human essential bacteria with their own DNA, and ongoing genetic exchange during pregnancy challenge traditional views of heredity and individual identity

      Our understanding of heredity is more complex than previously thought, as our bodies host a diverse range of bacteria and other microbes that can influence our genetics and be passed down through generations. For instance, certain animals like cockroaches have symbiotic relationships with bacteria that are essential for their survival and are even passed down from parents to offspring. Similarly, humans have bacteria in our bodies, such as mitochondria, that have their own DNA and are essential for our survival. These discoveries challenge our traditional understanding of heredity and raise questions about what it means to be an individual and where biological boundaries lie. Additionally, the ongoing exchange of genetic material between a mother and fetus during pregnancy can result in a condition called chimerism, where cells from the fetus persist in the mother's body after birth. Overall, these findings demonstrate that our bodies are not isolated entities, but rather complex ecosystems shaped by a constant interplay between our genetics and the microbes around us.

    • Discoveries of chimerism and contagious cancer challenge our understanding of genetics and individualityChimerism, where an individual's body contains cells from another twin, and contagious cancer, which spreads from one organism to another, challenge our ideas about heredity and individuality, revealing a more complex and fascinating world of genetics

      Our understanding of genetics and individuality is constantly being challenged by discoveries of phenomena like chimerism and contagious cancer. Chimerism, where an individual's body contains cells from another twin, is more common than we think and challenges our ideas about heredity. Contagious cancer, which is caused by cancer cells spreading from one organism to another, challenges our understanding of what constitutes an independent organism. This contagious cancer, which has been found in various species including dogs, Tasmanian devils, and even clams, behaves like an infectious disease and has its own unique genome. These discoveries remind us that the world of genetics is far more complex and fascinating than we often imagine.

    • Exploring AI's Role in Various Sectors: Medicine, Retail, Entertainment, and Personal ComputingAI's potential uses span from curing hereditary diseases to ethical concerns in human embryos, with CRISPR technology leading the way in genetic editing.

      Artificial intelligence (AI) is set to play a significant role in shaping the future of technology. Intel, through its podcast "Technically Speaking," is exploring the potential uses of AI in various sectors, including medicine, retail, entertainment, and personal computing. AI holds the promise of curing hereditary diseases, but its use in human embryos raises ethical concerns. The CRISPR technology, which can edit DNA, has the potential to rewrite the genetic code and cure diseases, but it also opens up the possibility of altering future generations. The use of CRISPR in human embryos has already begun, and a global conversation is needed on its safety, ethics, and accessibility. The Michigan Chronicle Digital Daily, the voice of NASCAR, and Xumo Play are other topics discussed in the podcast. Stay informed and connected with these advancements and conversations.

    • Navigating Ethical Considerations in CRISPR Gene AlterationOpen societal discussions and regulations are crucial for guiding CRISPR gene alteration, preventing unregulated use, and ensuring careful consideration of advantages, risks, and ethics.

      As CRISPR technology advances and allows for gene alteration, ethical considerations and regulations become crucial. The potential for altering traits beyond treating hereditary disorders raises questions about comfort levels and detectability. Some suggest leaving a "watermark" in the genome to indicate gene alteration, but the long-term implications and potential mutations of such markers are uncertain. The best way to guide CRISPR use, according to the speaker, is through open societal discussions and regulations, like those in England, which allow for careful consideration of advantages, risks, and ethics before implementation. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of preventing unregulated use of gene alteration technology, which could lead to unequal access and potentially harmful outcomes.

    • Understanding the Limits of Genetic EngineeringGenetic engineering holds promise but expectations should be grounded in reality, recognizing the complexity of traits and potential unintended consequences.

      While genetic engineering holds great promise, it's important to remember that biology has limitations and our expectations should be grounded in reality. The speaker warns against the dystopian possibilities of overestimating the power of genetics to create desired traits in humans, leading to unrealistic expectations and potential harm. The speaker also emphasizes the complexity of traits like intelligence and height, which are influenced by both genes and environment. A classic example of this theme can be found in Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World," where the author explores the implications of genetic engineering in a fictional context. Overall, the conversation underscores the importance of approaching genetic engineering with a nuanced understanding of its potential and limitations.

    • Genes and environment shape who we areOur genes influence certain aspects of our lives, but environmental factors and societal influences also play significant roles in shaping who we are, and we have the power to shape our own lives regardless of our genetic inheritance.

      Our genes and environment work together to shape who we are. While our genes can influence certain aspects of our lives, such as height or predisposition to certain conditions, they do not define us. Environmental factors, like nutrition and disease, also play a significant role in our development. Furthermore, societal and cultural influences can impact how we perceive our genetic makeup. Some people may use their genetic information for self-identification, while others may see it as a separate force from themselves. However, it's important to remember that our genes are not our entire identity, and we have the power to shape our own lives regardless of our genetic inheritance. Additionally, advancements in technology and science continue to reveal new insights into the complex relationship between genetics and human development.

    • Genetics and lived experiences shape us as individualsOur genetic makeup provides some insights, but lived experiences and upbringing have a greater impact on who we are as individuals

      Key takeaway from this conversation with Carl Zimmer is that while our genetic makeup can provide some insights into our heritage and potential health conditions, it is our lived experiences and upbringing that shape who we are as individuals. Carl shared that looking at his own DNA hasn't given him deep insights about himself, but rather, his experiences as a child, being married, and being a father have been more meaningful to him. He emphasized that the details of the genome we inherit from our parents matter less than the lived experiences that shape us as people. This perspective highlights the importance of focusing on our personal experiences and the impact they have on our lives, rather than solely relying on genetic information for self-understanding.

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