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    From the Vault: Demogorgon

    enAugust 13, 2020

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    • The Demogorgon: A Monster Straddling Humanoid and Bestial TraitsThe Demogorgon, a creature from Dungeons and Dragons, is a powerful demon lord known for its ability to travel between dimensions and terrifying appearance.

      The Demogorgon, as depicted in the Netflix show Stranger Things, is a fascinating and terrifying creature that straddles the line between humanoid and bestial. Its ability to travel between dimensions makes it an elusive and dangerous predator. The Demogorgon's appearance in Stranger Things is inspired by its role in the tabletop game Dungeons and Dragons, where it is a powerful demon lord with a long history dating back to 1976. In the game, the Demogorgon is depicted as a two-headed, tentacle-armed creature with chicken feet and baboon heads. Despite its crude illustrations in early editions of the game, the Demogorgon remains a formidable opponent that is typically saved for high-level campaigns. Overall, the Demogorgon's ability to traverse dimensions and its terrifying presence in both popular culture and tabletop gaming make it a memorable and enduring monster.

    • The Demogorgon's Appearance and Titles Changed in D&DThe Demogorgon, a demon lord in D&D, has undergone changes in appearance and titles throughout different editions, from a reptilian demon to a cover bad guy, but remains a highly intelligent and evil creature.

      The Demogorgon, a demon lord in Dungeons and Dragons, has undergone various changes in appearance and titles throughout different editions of the game. The original description from the 1976 supplement depicts the creature as a giant, reptilian demon with twin snake-like necks, forked tail, and heads resembling evil baboons or mandrills. It has tentacles instead of arms and commands cold-blooded creatures. The Demogorgon's appearance and title underwent a rebrand during the moral panics surrounding supposed satanism in the 1980s, and it was known as The Tenari instead of a demon. However, the demonic entities returned, and the Demogorgon is now back as a cover bad guy in the game. It is not only fearsome physically but also highly intelligent, with an intelligence score of 20. Despite its impressive intelligence, the Demogorgon uses it for evil purposes and is known as the sibilant beast and the master of the spiraling depths. Its two heads, Ama'ul and Hatharadia, have distinct names, but it is unclear if players can communicate with one head or the other.

    • Demogorgon's Origins: A Blend of Mythology, Folklore, and Pop CultureDemogorgon, a central figure in DnD, embodies chaos and disorder, with influences from various sources including Greek mythology, Roman mythology, pop culture, and folklore. Orcus, another demon lord, also has roots in Roman mythology.

      The Demogorgon, a central figure in Dungeons and Dragons lore, embodies chaos and disorder, representing the accumulated runoff of human inequity. This demon lord, with its two heads, is a perfect demon for modern times and has prominent rivals such as Orcus, the demon lord of undeath, and Grazit, the demon lord of perversion. Orcus, also a demon lord, comes from Roman mythology, while Demogorgon's name might suggest Greek origins, but it is not found in ancient Greek mythology. Instead, Demogorgon's origins can be traced to various influences, including pop culture, mythology, and folklore. The name Orcus also appears in John Milton's Paradise Lost, further highlighting the interconnectedness of these influences in Dungeons and Dragons. Overall, the game is a rich tapestry of various influences, blending fantasy and science fiction works with mythology and folklore to create its unique worlds.

    • The Demogorgon's origins in literature and mythologyThe Demogorgon's roots can be traced back to Christian mythology through John Milton's Paradise Lost, but its development in fantasy role-playing games like Dungeons and Dragons has also been influenced by Eastern religions and original fantasy creations.

      The origins of the Demogorgon, a monster from Dungeons and Dragons, can be traced back through literature, particularly in Christian mythology. John Milton's Paradise Lost is a key example, where the Demogorgon is mentioned as the "terrible and fateful power" that leads Satan to rebel against God. However, it's important to note that the influence of Eastern religions and myths on fantasy role-playing games, including Dungeons and Dragons, cannot be ignored. Authors like M. A. R. Barker have contributed significantly to the creation of original fantasy religions and creatures, including the Demogorgon. Overall, understanding the literary and historical context of the Demogorgon can provide valuable insights into its meaning and significance in fantasy worlds.

    • Exploring the Complexity of Satan in 'Paradise Lost'Milton's 'Paradise Lost' portrays Satan as a complex, sympathetic character, and explores sin as a misguided path, making him a tragic figure. The poem introduces various demon names and adds dramatic details, influencing Western theology and literature.

      In John Milton's epic poem "Paradise Lost," the character of Satan is portrayed as more complex and sympathetic than traditional conceptions of the devil, making him a captivating and tragic figure. Milton explores sin as a misguided path rather than an indefinable miasma of horribleness. Satan's ultimate goal is to corrupt God's favorite creation, humans, and he succeeds in doing so. The poem also introduces various demon names, some of which appear in the Bible, and adds dramatic details, such as the forging of a powerful sword for the archangel Michael by God. Milton's work, which includes names like Demogorgon, is often seen as biblical fan fiction and has influenced Western theology, particularly regarding the concept of purgatory. The Demogorgon, mentioned in "Paradise Lost" and other works, is used as texture to establish a sense of abandonment and wretchedness.

    • The Demogorgon: A Symbol of Unholiness and Chaos in LiteratureThe Demogorgon, a character originating in older religious texts, has been interpreted as a symbol of unholiness and chaos in literature due to its association with pagan deities and its role as a representation of darkness and evil in works like 'The Faerie Queene,' 'Orlando Furioso,' and 'Prometheus Unbound'.

      The Demogorgon, a character mentioned in various 15th to 16th century literary works, has been interpreted as a representation of unholiness, chaos, and infernal demons from a Christian perspective. This interpretation stems from the fact that the Demogorgon was initially considered a pagan deity in older religious texts, as documented in Giovanni Boccaccio's 14th century encyclopedia, "Genealogia Deorum Gentilium." As literature evolved, the Demogorgon continued to appear in works like Edmund Spenser's "The Faerie Queene" and Lodovico Ariosto's "Orlando Furioso," where it served as a symbol of darkness and evil. Percy Bysshe Shelley's "Prometheus Unbound," published in 1820, offers an intriguing and complex portrayal of the Demogorgon as a chaotic and destructive force, further solidifying its status as a symbol of evil in literature.

    • Mythological figures defying gods to bring advancements to humanityMyths depict figures like Prometheus and the Chinese fire driller, who disobeyed gods to bring advancements to humans, leading to both rewards and consequences

      In various mythologies, there exists a theme where a deity or a figure defies the gods to bring knowledge, power, or technology to humanity. The Greek myth of Prometheus illustrates this, as he stole fire from Zeus and gave it to humans, despite Zeus' intention to keep it from them. This act of defiance led to both humans and Prometheus facing consequences, with humans experiencing hardships and Pandora's box being opened, and Prometheus being punished with an immortal torment. This theme can also be found in Chinese mythology with the fire driller. The figure of Prometheus and Satan share similarities, as both act as disruptors, encouraging humans to challenge divine authority.

    • The power of love challenges JupiterIn Shelley's 'Prometheus Unbound', the Demogorgon reveals Jupiter's vulnerability to love and ultimately brings about his downfall, showcasing love's power to challenge even the mightiest of authorities.

      Key takeaway from the discussion of Shelley's play "Prometheus Unbound" is that even the most powerful deity, Jupiter, is subject to the power of love. The Demogorgon, a mysterious and powerful being, reveals to Prometheus' sympathetic sisters Asia and Panthea that Jupiter himself is not all-powerful and that love is the only thing that transcends all other forces. The Demogorgon, who is neither male nor female, ultimately brings about Jupiter's downfall and Prometheus' freedom, highlighting the power of love to challenge even the greatest of authorities. Shelley's portrayal of the Demogorgon as a passive yet powerful force of fate and nothingness adds to the abstract and philosophical nature of the play, emphasizing the themes of revolution, disruption, and the power of love to transform the world.

    • The Demogorgon: A Symbol of Complexities and ContradictionsThe Demogorgon, an ambiguous figure from Shelley's 'Prometheus Unbound,' represents the complexities and contradictions of the human experience and natural world, embodying both terror and liberation.

      The Demogorgon, a figure from Percy Bysshe Shelley's play "Prometheus Unbound," is depicted as both an infernal phantom and a liberating force. This ambiguous character, whose gender is not specified in the text, is believed to have roots in Greek mythology, with the name Demogorgon meaning "the people's terror" or "the people's Gorgon." Shelley, a supporter of the French Revolution, may have seen this "terror" as an inevitable force that brings about change, even if it contains a dark and uncontrollable element. In Voltaire's "Plato's Dream," the Demogorgon is presented as a genie who helps create the world, and defends the imperfections of his creation, suggesting that even the best intentions can lead to imperfections and complexities. Overall, the Demogorgon can be seen as a symbol of the complexities and contradictions inherent in the human experience and the natural world.

    • Demogorgon's ancient origins in Latin textsThe Demogorgon, a mythological figure often linked to fear and chaos, may have roots in ancient Latin texts, challenging the common belief of its Greek origins.

      The Demogorgon, a legendary creature often associated with fear and chaos, may have origins that predate classical Greek mythology. According to CS Lewis' 1964 book "The Discarded Image," the Demogorgon, or Demiurge, may have been referred to in ancient Latin texts, specifically in Stadeus' epic poem "The Theban Cycle." Early Christian author Latentheus noted that Stadeus was actually referring to the Greek deity Demiorgos. CS Lewis further explains that this demiurge is the creator mentioned in Plato's "Timaeus." This discovery sheds new light on the origins of this intriguing mythological figure and challenges the common perception of its origins. Through exploring the depths of literature and ancient texts, we can uncover new insights and broaden our understanding of the world around us. Tune in to Radi Davlukia's podcast, A Really Good Cry, to delve deeper into personal development and emotional regulation, and join the conversation about the human experience.

    • Misinterpretation of a word led to creation of a new deity DemogorgonA scribal error in a manuscript resulted in the creation of Demogorgon, a deity with various interpretations in religious and philosophical traditions, representing a secret reality or cycle needing to be broken free from.

      A scribal error in a manuscript led to the creation of a new deity, Demogorgon, in later mythologies. The error originated from the misinterpretation of the word Demiurge, which means craftsman in its original Greek context. However, in various religious and philosophical traditions, the Demiurge is a figure that creates the material world but is not necessarily the ultimate creator god or good. It can be portrayed as neutral, bumbling, or even malevolent. For instance, in some strains of Gnosticism, the Demiurge is Yaldabaoth, a foolish, arrogant, and wicked deity who creates the material world and human bodies, and tries to keep humans confused and in the dark to prevent them from discovering the secret knowledge (gnosis) that can lead to transcendence. Despite the complexities and variations, the idea of a secret reality or cycle that needs to be broken free from is reflected in other faiths like Hinduism and Buddhism, where the spark of something more divine is believed to be trapped in the material world.

    • The belief in a false reality and the quest for hidden truthsAncient Gnostic theology posits a hidden truth to the universe and considers the material world an illusion. Obtaining 'gnosis' or secret knowledge is the key to escaping it.

      The human fascination with the concept of a false or illusory reality, often portrayed as a material world created by a malevolent or bumbling deity, can be traced back to ancient Gnostic theology. This belief, which has resurfaced in various forms throughout history and pop culture, posits that there is a deeper, hidden truth to the universe that we are not inherently privy to. The material world we perceive is considered an illusion, and the key to escaping it lies in obtaining "gnosis," or secret knowledge. This idea can be seen in various modern reinterpretations, such as the Demogorgon in Stranger Things, which may be a modern reworking of the demiurge, a deity responsible for creating the material world and hiding the true gnosis from humanity. The ultimate evil power in this belief system is the demiurge or its representative, who keeps us focused on the illusory world and away from the truth. The human quest for understanding reality, therefore, is a gnostic pursuit, using tools such as science and technology to uncover the hidden truths of the universe.

    • The Demogorgon: Ancient Mystery or Human Error?The Demogorgon, a mythical creature, may have originated from a scribal mistake but has become a powerful symbol of the unknown and the holy in popular culture.

      The Demogorgon, a mythical creature with roots in both Dungeons and Dragons and literature, represents the intriguing intersection of ancient mystery and human error. While it holds a place in popular culture as a powerful, worshiped entity, it may have originated from a simple scribal mistake. This enigmatic figure, often tied to the gnostic and primordial, waits in the darkness, symbolizing the unknown and the holy without shape. The exploration of the Demogorgon brings together a diverse range of influences, from Joni Mitchell to Gary Gygax, highlighting the rich tapestry of human imagination. As we continue to delve into the world of monsters, stay tuned for more Halloween-themed episodes, including a potential revisit of the Medusa. Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review our shows, including Invention and Mini Questions, for fascinating insights into human history and creativity.

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