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    From the Vault: Of Humans and Squids, with Martin Wallen

    enAugust 05, 2023

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    • Exploring the lesser-known aspects of our world: Kakadu plum, AI, and the natural worldDiscover the world's hidden gems like Kakadu plum, embrace the future with AI, and explore relationships with animals through the lens of Martin Wallen's 'Squid'.

      There are fascinating stories and knowledge to be discovered about the lesser-known aspects of our world, such as the Australian native superfood, Kakadu plum, which contains 100 times more vitamin C than oranges but remains relatively unknown. Meanwhile, in the realm of technology, artificial intelligence is expected to play a significant role in shaping the future. Another intriguing topic is the exploration of the natural world and our relationships with animals, as exemplified in Martin Wallen's book "Squid." Wallen's interest in cephalopods stemmed from his earlier works on foxes and dogs and his curiosity about engaging with creatures that are more alien to us. These diverse topics remind us to seek out new discoveries and perspectives, whether it's through superfoods, technology, or the natural world.

    • Aristotle's groundbreaking observations of squidsAristotle's inaccurate yet influential descriptions of squids formed the foundation of modern science, despite cultural misconceptions and limited understanding of offshore varieties.

      Aristotle's observations and descriptions of squids, though not perfect, were groundbreaking for their time and formed the foundation of modern natural philosophy and science. He got many physical details right, despite some cultural misconceptions, such as describing squids as bloodless or having imperfect eggs. Aristotle's observations were primarily based on inshore squids, and he didn't delve deeply into the differences between inshore and offshore varieties. The ancient Greeks had an ambivalent view of seafood, including squids, due to a general fear of the sea as a dangerous and unpredictable environment. Despite this, squids were still consumed for food.

    • Ancient Greek Attitudes Towards Squids: A Terminological MuddleThe ancient Greeks were uneasy about consuming squids due to philosophical objections and moral qualms, leading to inconsistent terminology and confusion that persisted for over a thousand years. Not all creatures labeled as 'squids' were technically squids or even cephalopods.

      The ancient Greeks had complex attitudes towards eating and classifying squids and other cephalopods. Aristotle's vague descriptions and the confusion of later commentators led to a long-lasting terminological muddle. The Greeks were uneasy about consuming squids, despite doing so, possibly due to philosophical objections and moral qualms. The lack of clear visual depictions of squids in Greek art further supports this unease. Additionally, Aristotle's grouping of all cephalopods under the term "malakoi" and his inconsistent use of terms for different species added to the confusion. This confusion persisted for over a thousand years, with later encounters revealing that not all creatures labeled as "squids" were technically squids or even cephalopods. For instance, the vampire squid is not a true squid but an octopod. This historical muddle highlights the challenges of accurately classifying and understanding complex marine life based on limited knowledge and information.

    • Ancient Roman philosopher Pliny believed larger marine animals due to abundant nourishmentPliny believed marine life grows larger and more diverse due to sea's direct nourishment, modern tech keeps personal belongings in top shape

      According to ancient Roman philosopher Pliny the Elder, the abundant nourishment in the aquatic world leads to larger and more varied marine animals. Pliny believed that every form of life on land had a counterpart in the sea, but since the sea is more directly nourished by precipitation, its inhabitants grow to larger sizes and take on more diverse shapes. This theory is reflected in the illustration of the Vampire Squid, which appears as a skull-like creature due to its black color and upside-down position, and is a fanciful rendition of this idea. In modern times, technology and resources allow us to keep our personal belongings, like cars, in top shape, just as nature nourishes marine life. For example, eBay Motors offers a wide range of parts to ensure your vehicle runs smoothly, and Astepro provides fast-acting relief for nasal allergy symptoms.

    • Pliny's sea monsters and the mysterious squidsPliny's writings on sea monsters, including squids, reflected ancient fascination with the unknown depths of the sea and the existence of strange creatures. Modern scientific studies began in the 19th century when Steenstrup identified the giant squid as the source of sea monster tales.

      Pliny's analogy of the unknown depths of the sea and the existence of sea monsters, including squids, reflects his speculative thinking and the fascination with the incomprehensible nature of cephalopods. Pliny's observation about the incomprehensibility of squids resonates with modern experiences of observing these creatures. The name "cephalopod," meaning "head of feet," adds to their alien and mysterious quality. The turning point from squid lore to modern scientific studies came in the 19th century with the work of Japetus Steenstrup. He analyzed various accounts of sea monsters and concluded that they all referred to the same real creature, the giant squid, based on a beaked specimen that had washed up on shore. Steenstrup's work helped bridge the gap between myth and science and paved the way for scientific studies of squids and cephalopods.

    • The Discovery of the Squid's Beak: From Myth to Modern ScienceThe discovery of the squid's beak led to modern scientific study, revealing various species and locations worldwide. Understanding their intelligence remains a challenge due to unique anatomy and quick perception-action response.

      The discovery of the squid's beak by Architeuthis Scammon, also known as the Squid Fisher, marked a significant shift from myth and ambiguity to modern scientific study. This finding allowed for a focused and disciplined investigation of squids, leading to the taxonomy of different genera and species and mapping their locations worldwide. However, understanding the mind of the squid poses challenges due to their unique anatomy and intelligence. Although their brains may not function in the same way as ours, their ability to perceive and respond to stimuli instantaneously sets them apart. The giant axon, a large nerve fiber, enables them to transmit perception into action in a split second. Their intelligence can be described as movement and predation, as they are highly sensitive to their environment and possess various mechanisms for perception beyond our five senses. Squids can change colors and flash brilliantly, using chromatophores and reflectors, which are controlled by their eyes. Despite advancements in scientific study, the mysteries of squid intelligence continue to intrigue us.

    • New research suggests squids use complex communication methodsSquids may use disinformation in communication, challenging traditional views of animal communication as purely informational.

      Squids are intelligent and athletic creatures, despite not being at the top of the food chain. Their quick movements and color changes are governed by impressive nervous systems and brains. A recent discovery by researchers Hanlon and Messenger suggests that squids may engage in more complex forms of communication than previously thought, including the use of misinformation or disinformation. This finding challenges the traditional view of animal communication as purely informational and hints at a higher level of complexity and even a performative quality to squid communication. This research adds to our understanding of squid intelligence and behavior, highlighting their unique place in the marine ecosystem.

    • Squids' potential uses and ethical considerationsSquids, known for their predator and cannibalistic behaviors, offer potential uses beyond food. Their intelligence and complex behaviors could lead to medical discoveries and military applications. However, ethical considerations must be taken into account when exploiting their abilities.

      Squids, despite being major predators and cannibals, may have the capacity for humor or imagination. While they are a promising food source due to their abundant numbers and successful fisheries, there are also potential uses for their intelligence, such as harvesting their giant axons for medical purposes or using their color-changing abilities for military camouflage. However, it's important to consider the ethical implications of exploiting their intelligence and ignoring their potential complexities, as it's a common human tendency to undervalue or dismiss what is different from us. The intelligence of all creatures, including squids, should be recognized and respected. The evolution of squids involves a long history, dating back 500 to 600 million years, and a significant development occurred during their struggle with fish and marine reptiles. While the details are highly speculative, it's believed that this struggle led to the evolution of their complex nervous systems and behaviors.

    • Squids' Survival and Adaptation Throughout Earth's HistorySquids have survived and thrived through Earth's history, growing bigger and faster to prey on fish and move into new habitats. They're highly adaptable and crucial to the ocean ecosystem.

      Squids have undergone significant changes throughout Earth's history and continue to adapt to their environment. Around 450 million years ago, during the Devonian extinction, most life disappeared, but squids, particularly those in the deep oceans, survived and thrived. They grew bigger and faster, allowing them to prey on fish and move into new habitats. Today, squid populations are increasing in various parts of the world due to climate change and the depletion of competing fish species. Squids are highly adaptable and provide essential nutrients to other marine life, making them a crucial part of the ocean ecosystem. Overall, squids' ability to adapt and thrive in changing environments ensures their endurance.

    • Folklore and Biological Reality of Sea Creatures: The ConnectionThe folklore of sea creatures, like squids, often reflects their real-life characteristics, such as the presence of ammonia for buoyancy. This connection between myth and reality showcases our historical fascination and fear of the sea and its inhabitants.

      The folklore of various sea creatures, including squids, holds significant interconnections with their biological realities. For instance, the Norse Sea Reek, a mythical monster from folklore, might have been inspired by the real-life presence of ammonia in the flesh of giant squids. This ammonia provides buoyancy, preventing the squids from sinking or floating to the surface. The fearsome sea monsters, including the Kraken and the grouper, were believed to emit a reek of ammonia, adding to their terrifying reputation. This connection between folklore and reality highlights the deep-rooted fear and fascination humans have had with the sea and its inhabitants throughout history. Additionally, some cultures, such as Polynesian, have revered squids as guardians and even associated them with deities, reflecting the significance of these creatures in various cultural traditions.

    • Squid in Literature and Poetry: Guardians and MonstersThroughout literature and poetry, squids have been depicted as both guardians and monsters, reflecting the complex relationship between humans and the sea.

      The squid, an ancient marine creature, holds significant cultural and literary importance. In contemporary poetry, Darren Kamali invokes Polynesian traditions and personifies squids as guardians, reconnecting humans to their ancient community with other creatures. Meanwhile, in literature, the giant squid has long captivated imaginations, starting with Jules Verne's "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea." Verne's account of the giant squid, though scientific, transformed it into a terrifying sea monster, perpetuating old myths and instilling modern anxieties. This fearful representation paved the way for later depictions of alien invasions, where the invaders were often squid-like creatures. Another influential work in squid-related weird fiction is William Hope Hodgson's "The Boats of Glen Carrig." In this tale, the narrator John Winterstraw recounts an encounter with strange monsters at sea, which gets his ship, the Glen Kerig, trapped in a seaweed field. Hodgson's expertise in sailing and weird fiction adds depth to this classic maritime horror story.

    • Encountering Intelligent Squid-like Beings in 'The Night Land'William Hope Hodgson's 'The Night Land' raises questions about alien intelligence through the encounter of marooned sailors with advanced squid-like beings, showcasing the value of weird fiction in exploring thought-provoking questions.

      Key takeaway from the discussion of "The Night Land" by William Hope Hodgson is that the novel explores the question of alien intelligence through the encounter of marooned sailors with squid-like beings on an island. These beings display sophisticated intelligence and military formations, suggesting a potential threat and raising questions about their motivations and potential use of humans as resources. The value of weird fiction, as discussed, lies in its ability to explore such thought-provoking questions that other forms of literary or scientific inquiry may not venture into. A particular intriguing squid species mentioned is the Humboldt squid, known for its size and aggressive behavior towards humans.

    • Exploring the strange behaviors of various animalsMartin Wallen's 'Squid' from Reaction's Animal Series delves into the Humboldt squid's aggressive cannibalism and its relevance to human life and culture. Over 100 animals covered in the series, each with unique perspectives.

      Fascinating and often alien behaviors exhibited by certain animals, such as the Humboldt squid and its aggressive cannibalistic tendencies. This adaptability and voraciousness are at the heart of Martin Wallen's book "Squid," which is part of the Reaction's Animal Series. With over 100 different animals covered in this series, each author brings their unique perspective to understanding the relevance of these animals to human life and culture. Wallen's other works include "Whose Dog Are You?" and "A City of Health, Fields of Disease, Revolutions in the Poetry, Medicine, and Philosophy of Romanticism." If you're intrigued by the mysteries and folklore surrounding animals, these books are worth exploring.

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