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    Government pressures tech behind the scenes, says former Facebook employee. It’s called jawboning.

    enMarch 28, 2024

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    • Government Communication with Tech Companies: Persuasion or Coercion?The line between government persuasion and coercion of tech platforms is blurry, with frequent communication between tech companies and the government raising concerns for potential censorship.

      The line between government persuasion and coercion of tech platforms can be blurry. According to Lili Jamali from Marketplace Tech, there is frequent communication between tech companies and the government, which is generally seen as positive. However, the question arises as to when this communication shifts from persuasion to coercion or even censorship. This was a topic of discussion at the Supreme Court last week, with two states alleging the Biden administration illegally coerced social media companies into blocking conservative content. Matt Perrault, who used to work in policy at Facebook, shared his experience of being "jawboned" by the government while at Facebook. This occurred frequently, with both Republican and Democratic offices in the US, as well as foreign governments, applying pressure on tech companies. For instance, one representative's office attempted to ban the use of data for voter segmentation and targeting through tools like Facebook's custom audiences. Overall, the distinction between persuasion and coercion is a complex issue that continues to be debated.

    • Government Pressure on Tech CompaniesGovernment officials can put pressure on tech companies through legislation, hearings, and public statements, leading to complex relationships and contentious disputes.

      The relationship between government officials and tech companies can be complex and contentious. In this specific instance, there was a public dispute between Nancy Pelosi and Facebook over a manipulated video of Pelosi. The video remained up on Facebook, leading Pelosi to make comments about potential antitrust cases and tax breaks for tech companies. While there was no direct link between the two events, the pressure from government officials on tech companies is a common occurrence. Companies like Facebook face various tools at the disposal of the government, including legislation, hearings, and public statements. It's important to note that Pelosi's subsequent comments were not necessarily a direct retaliation for Facebook's decision not to remove the video. However, the potential for government action is a constant consideration for tech companies in their content moderation decisions. The interplay between government officials and tech companies is an ongoing and intricate dance, with each side attempting to navigate the complexities of the other's interests and priorities.

    • Government pressure on tech companies: Balancing intervention and transparencyGovernment pressure on tech companies can lead to productive discussions and collaborations, but it's crucial to ensure transparency and accountability in these private conversations to uphold democratic values.

      While government pressure on tech companies, also known as "jawboning," can have negative consequences, it also has educational and informational benefits. When governments communicate their concerns to tech companies, they can work together to address important issues such as election disruption and law enforcement matters. This communication can lead to productive discussions and collaborations. However, the challenge lies in the lack of transparency and public scrutiny in these private conversations between government officials and tech employees. It's essential to balance the need for government intervention with the protection of the First Amendment and democratic processes. Overall, the goal should be to ensure that these interactions are conducted in a way that benefits the public and upholds the values of transparency and accountability.

    • Balancing transparency and private communicationPrivate communication between governments and tech platforms can lead to productive dialogue and exploration of solutions, but transparency is also important for accountability. Striking a balance between the two is crucial for effective decision-making.

      While transparency is important in public decision-making, there are benefits to allowing for private communication and educational exchanges between governments and tech platforms. The speaker emphasized the need to preserve such communication, as it can lead to productive dialogue and the exploration of various solutions. They also noted that in some cases, keeping certain documents out of the public eye can support deliberative processes. The speaker shared personal experience from their time at Facebook, where they observed that leaks and public scrutiny could short-circuit important discussions and limit the range of potential solutions. Ultimately, they argued for a balance between transparency and the value of private communication in informing and educating stakeholders.

    • Exploring the impact of government pressure on tech employeesFormer Facebook employee Matt Perrault shares his unique perspective on the day-to-day impact of government pressure on tech employees through the concept of 'jawboning'.

      The experience of working at tech companies can vary greatly, and it's important to share personal perspectives to add depth to the conversation. Matt Perrault, a former employee at Facebook, shared his experience with indirect pressure from governments on tech companies, which he found intriguing and wanted to explore further. When he learned of the term "jawboning," he saw an opportunity to contribute to the discussion by focusing on the day-to-day impact of such pressure on employees, rather than just the legal and policy mechanics. By sharing their experiences, Perrault and his colleague aimed to add a unique perspective to the ongoing debate. This conversation highlights the importance of diverse voices in understanding complex issues.

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