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    'It's Like a War.' Revisiting Dr. Fabiano Di Marco.

    enJuly 14, 2020

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    • Italy's healthcare system overwhelmed by COVID-19 casesDuring the early weeks of the pandemic, Italy's hospitals were overwhelmed with severe respiratory cases from COVID-19, with an average of 50-70 patients arriving daily, and the US was warned to prepare for a similar situation.

      The situation in Italy during the early weeks of the COVID-19 pandemic was dire, with hospitals like Papa Giovanni Ventitresimo in Bergamo overwhelmed by severe respiratory cases caused by the virus. Doctor Fabiano DiMarco, the head of the respiratory unit at the hospital, described his reality as a "war," with an average of 50 to 70 patients with severe respiratory failure due to COVID-19 arriving every day. The hospital, which has 1,000 beds, was struggling to cope with the influx of patients. Italy became the new epicenter of the pandemic, with nearly 30,000 infections and over 2,000 deaths, and the US was warned it could be heading in the same direction. The conversation serves as a stark reminder of the challenges faced by healthcare systems during the pandemic and the importance of taking aggressive measures to mitigate the spread of the virus and lower mortality rates.

    • Transforming surgery wards into coronavirus unitsAmidst the COVID-19 pandemic, Italian hospitals faced unprecedented challenges, requiring non-respiratory specialists to learn coronavirus treatment, emotional toll on staff, and significant staff absences due to sickness or quarantine.

      The COVID-19 pandemic has required unprecedented changes in healthcare organizations to accommodate the influx of severe pneumonia patients. Dr. Rossi, an Italian hospital director, shared how they transformed surgery wards into coronavirus units, teaching non-respiratory specialists how to treat these patients. The emotional toll on staff, including admitting colleagues as patients, has been significant. On a single day, they had over 44,000 nurses at home due to sickness or quarantine. The situation is dire, with 20 deaths in one hospital in a day. Relatives are not allowed in the hospital to prevent further spread of the virus. The emotional burden of treating colleagues and friends is a unique challenge for healthcare workers. Dr. Rossi's chief of department was recently admitted with COVID-19, adding to the fear and uncertainty. These challenges underscore the immense impact of the pandemic on healthcare systems and the emotional resilience of healthcare workers.

    • COVID-19 Crisis: Doctors Face Difficult Decisions in Overwhelmed HospitalsDoctors in Europe struggle to prioritize ICU beds, need to consider both risk of death and likelihood of benefit for fair patient care decisions.

      During the COVID-19 crisis, hospitals in Europe, specifically in Italy, are facing extreme challenges due to a lack of personal protective equipment and insufficient ICU beds. Doctors are forced to make difficult decisions about who receives treatment based on their current scoring system, which prioritizes those with the highest risk of death. However, this system needs to be adjusted to also consider a patient's likelihood of benefiting from ICU treatment, a calculation that hasn't been established yet. The situation is unprecedented, and it's challenging for doctors to tell patients that their age alone may not be enough to secure an ICU bed. This crisis requires new tools and approaches to make fair and effective decisions about patient care.

    • Learning from Italy's COVID-19 ExperienceDoctors and healthcare systems should analyze Italy's COVID-19 response, be proactive, and communicate with Italian colleagues to prepare for potential overwhelmed hospitals and save lives.

      In the face of a crisis like the COVID-19 pandemic, drastic measures are necessary to reduce the rate of infection and save lives. This means changing the way people live and work, even if it comes at the cost of economic hardship. For doctors and healthcare systems, preparation and quick action are key. The situation can change rapidly, and it's essential to learn from places like Italy, which have been hit hard by the virus. Doctors in the US and other countries should take note and be prepared for the possibility of similar circumstances. The speaker emphasized the importance of analyzing the situation in Italy and being proactive to avoid reaching a point where hospitals are overwhelmed. He also encouraged doctors to speak with their Italian colleagues for insights into this new reality. The speaker himself found it difficult to imagine his life before the pandemic, and he urged everyone to take it seriously and make the necessary sacrifices to protect public health.

    • Balancing family and crisis during a pandemicDoctors, like everyone else, face tough decisions to protect loved ones while maintaining normalcy, even during a crisis. Precautions and adaptations are necessary to keep everyone safe.

      Making difficult decisions, especially during a crisis, can be challenging and impactful. The speaker, a doctor from Bergamo, Italy, shares his experience of balancing the need to protect his family from COVID-19 while maintaining a sense of normalcy for his children. He had to make the tough decision of not wearing a mask around his children, despite being a respiratory physician, to avoid scaring them. The crisis in Bergamo has begun to subside, but the doctor remains cautious for a potential second wave. The virus continues to take lives, and California has recently announced a rollback of its reopening plans due to rising infections. It's important to remember that the virus is not going away anytime soon, and we must continue to take necessary precautions and make difficult decisions to keep ourselves and our loved ones safe. The doctor's dedication and bravery during the crisis were recognized with a knighthood from Italy's president.

    • California Schools Abandon In-person Classes and Record-breaking Job LossesCalifornia schools abandon in-person classes for fall, 5.4 million Americans lost their health insurance due to pandemic-related layoffs, hardest hit states include Texas, Florida, New York, North Carolina, and California.

      The COVID-19 pandemic continues to disrupt various aspects of American life. Two of California's largest public school districts, Los Angeles and San Diego, have announced their plans to abandon in-person classes in the fall. Additionally, a new study reveals that a record-breaking 5.4 million Americans have lost their health insurance between February and May due to pandemic-related layoffs. The hardest hit states include Texas, Florida, New York, North Carolina, and California. These developments underscore the far-reaching impact of the pandemic and the challenges that lie ahead.

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