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    Jerusalem - Rafah - Washington - with Nadav Eyal

    enFebruary 13, 2024

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    • Biden administration's stance on Israel-Hamas conflict shiftingThe Biden administration is urging Hamas to lay down arms and criticizing Israel's actions, signaling a potential shift in US policy towards the Israel-Hamas conflict.

      The Biden administration's approach towards Israel's conflict with Hamas may be shifting, as indicated by recent comments from administration officials criticizing Israel's actions and urging Hamas to lay down its arms. This change in tone marks a departure from the administration's previous stance of supporting Israel's defensive actions against Hamas and condemning the group for hiding behind civilians. The shift could be linked to the administration's efforts to broker a larger peace agreement in the Middle East and the ongoing prisoner swap negotiations in the south. Israeli leaders may be concerned about the implications of this change in US policy, particularly given the administration's previous criticism of Israel's actions in Gaza. The situation remains fluid and will continue to be closely watched.

    • Israeli forces rescue two hostages from HamasIsraeli military successfully rescued two hostages from Hamas in Gaza Strip, demonstrating their intelligence, planning, and operational capabilities.

      Israel's military forces, including the IDF, SWAT teams, Shin Bet operational force, and Israeli Air Force, successfully rescued two hostages, Fernando Merman and Luis Herr, who had been held by Hamas terrorists in Rafah, Gaza Strip, for over five days. The operation involved tracing the location of the hostages through intelligence, practicing for a long time, and identifying a specific operational window. The forces managed to release the hostages unharmed, and no Israeli soldier was seriously injured during the operation. This is the second successful hostage rescue operation for Israel, and it required extensive planning, observation, and organization to wait for the right moment to strike. Despite facing resistance from Hamas terrorists, the forces were able to bring the hostages back to Israel through a sophisticated campaign to divert attention.

    • Israeli military's complex mission to free hostages from Gaza StripIntelligence gathering and careful planning minimize casualties in Israeli military operations to free hostages from Gaza Strip. Human intelligence from captured terrorists leads to crucial discoveries.

      The Israeli military's operation to release kidnapped Israelis from the Gaza Strip is a complex mission that requires extensive intelligence gathering and careful planning to minimize casualties. The IDF has been following intelligence on the hostages' locations and has been assisted by the United States. Decisions to launch such operations are made only when there's a good chance of releasing people without harm. The IDF has been capturing terrorists alive for interrogation, which led to the discovery of a massive data center in Gaza City. Human intelligence, obtained through interrogations, is crucial in such operations, and the Israeli intelligence services have different units focusing on various types of intelligence gathering. Israel employs a significant air presence over the Gaza Strip for intelligence gathering, and the recent operation resulted in the release of two hostages in relatively good condition, who were not hidden in tunnels.

    • Parents of slain IDF soldier express belief in justness of warThe ongoing conflict in Gaza continues to claim lives, touching many Israelis personally. Discussions about Rapha, a border area between Gaza and Egypt, remain a potential flashpoint in US-Israel relations.

      The ongoing conflict in Gaza between Israel and Hamas continues to claim lives, with the recent loss of two IDF soldiers, Adi Al Dor and Alon Kliman, in an anti-tank missile attack. The parents of Adi Al Dor spoke before his funeral, expressing their belief in the justness of the war and the importance of bringing back every kidnapped Israeli. The war, which is the longest in Israel's history, has touched many Israelis personally, including the producer of this podcast, Alon Benatar, who is connected to the family of the other soldier, Alon Kliman. The US-Israel relationship remains a significant factor in the conflict, with ongoing discussions regarding the role of Rapha, a border area between Gaza and Egypt, in the conflict. The future of Rapha and its impact on the broader conflict remains a potential flashpoint in the relationship between the two nations.

    • Significant Hamas stronghold in Rafah, Gaza StripDespite Israeli efforts, Hamas maintains over 100,000 fighters in Rafah, a city in the southern Gaza Strip, making it a crucial target due to its historical role as a major smuggling corridor and Hamas' use of tunnels for weapons and training.

      Rafah, a city in the southern part of the Gaza Strip, is a significant stronghold for Hamas, with at least 4 regiments of Hamas fighters remaining untouched by Israeli forces. These regiments have grown into large quasi-military units, numbering over 100,000 fighters in total. Israel's efforts to dismantle Hamas' military presence have led them from the north to the south of the Gaza Strip, but Rafah remains a crucial target due to its historical role as a major smuggling corridor, known as the "Philadelphia route." Hamas has used this area to smuggle weapons and receive training in tunnels. Egypt, who shares a border with Gaza, has played a role in securing the border, but smuggling through tunnels has continued to be a significant issue. Israel's goal is to finish the job of dismantling Hamas' military presence in Rafah and beyond, as it poses a significant threat to Israeli security.

    • Securing the Gaza-Egypt border to prevent Hamas rearmingIsrael crucial to secure Gaza-Egypt border to prevent Hamas rearming, uncertain number of tunnels and capabilities, securing Rafah could be a peace deal bargaining chip

      The destruction of the tunnels between Gaza and Egypt and securing the Philadelphia corridor is crucial for preventing Hamas from rearming and ensuring peace in the region. This issue gained significance during the presidency of Mohamed Morsi in Egypt, who turned a blind eye to smuggling activities. However, the exact number of tunnels and their capabilities are uncertain, making it essential for Israel to assume the worst and secure the area. The current priority for Israel is to finish military operations in Gaza and release kidnapped Israelis, and securing Rafah could be a potential bargaining chip for a peace deal.

    • Biden administration's tone towards Israel's actions in Gaza shiftsThe Biden administration's critical language towards Israel's actions in Gaza could influence Hamas' decision-making and signal a new approach to the conflict, acknowledging the challenges Israel faces in conducting military operations due to Hamas' use of civilian structures.

      The recent shift in language from the Biden administration towards Israel's actions in Gaza marks a significant change in tone and could potentially be used as leverage in negotiations with Hamas. The administration's previous stance, which defended Israel's military actions, has given way to more critical language, including accusations of disproportionality and dehumanization. This change in tone could signal a new approach to the conflict and may influence Hamas' decision-making regarding a potential ceasefire and hostage release. The administration's acknowledgement of the challenges Israel faces in conducting military operations in Gaza, due to Hamas' use of civilian structures for military purposes, adds complexity to the situation and underscores the difficulties of finding a peaceful resolution.

    • US Politics and Israel's Gaza Operation: Influenced by Elections and Voter DemographicsThe upcoming US elections may influence US politics towards Israel's actions in Gaza, as certain voter demographics seek stronger stances on the Israel-Palestine conflict. The White House's concerns about civilian casualties and the potential impact on Biden's base highlight the complexity and sensitivity of the issue.

      The recent shift in US politics towards criticizing Israel's actions in Gaza may be influenced by the upcoming elections and the desire to win over certain voter demographics. The White House's concerns about Israel's planned operation in Rafa, where a large number of Palestinian civilians have been relocated, have raised questions about how Israel intends to carry out the operation without causing further civilian casualties. Some believe that Israel's war in Gaza has become a major issue for Biden's progressive base, who are less enthusiastic about his reelection and are looking for ways to express their frustration. The Arab American community in Michigan, a key battleground state, has also threatened to stay home in 2024 if Biden does not take a stronger stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict. However, the size of this demographic is relatively small, and it remains to be seen whether their absence would significantly impact Biden's chances in the state. Overall, the elections are likely playing a role in shaping US politics towards Israel, but the situation in Gaza remains a complex and sensitive issue that requires careful consideration and diplomacy.

    • Biden administration trying to de-escalate Israel-Hamas tensions in GazaThe Biden administration is working to prevent further conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, pushing for diplomacy and acknowledging military operations are currently impossible.

      The Biden administration is trying to de-escalate tensions between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip, particularly in Rafah, to prevent further conflict and maintain peace. The administration's approach includes pressuring Israel to engage in diplomatic talks with Hamas and acknowledging that military operations in Rafah, with its large population of Palestinian refugees, are currently impossible. The administration's efforts come amidst tension within the Israeli leadership and concerns about Israel's actions being perceived as sabotaging the administration's efforts. The president's conversation with Netanyahu was seen as an opportunity to clarify the administration's stance and reaffirm support for Israel's response to the October 7th events. Overall, the administration's strategy is aimed at finding a long-term solution to the conflict in Gaza and avoiding further escalation.

    • Israeli Leadership Disagrees on Military Operations and DiplomacyDespite US efforts for truces and prisoner swaps, Israeli leadership disagrees on military action vs diplomacy towards Hamas and Hezbollah, with Netanyahu pushing for swift action and IDF advocating caution. Israel proposes a compromise with Hezbollah, but resolution is uncertain due to complexities and logistical challenges.

      There are significant disagreements within the Israeli leadership regarding military operations and diplomatic efforts, particularly in relation to Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Netanyahu is pushing for swift action, while the IDF advocates for more preparation and caution. The US is attempting to facilitate truces and prisoner swaps, but progress depends on Hamas' willingness to cooperate. Additionally, Israel's proposed compromise with Hezbollah in the north, allowing them to withdraw 10 kilometers from the border, is a significant concession. However, the complexities and dynamics of the situations in Gaza and Lebanon, as well as potential logistical challenges, make a smooth resolution uncertain.

    • US push for Palestinian statehood raises Israeli concernsIsraelis skeptical of US-Saudi push for Palestinian statehood, fearing instability and lack of commitment

      The recent shift in US language regarding a "time-bound and irreversible" path to a Palestinian state has raised concerns in Israel about potential risks and instability in the region. This language marks a departure from past peace processes, which have always been predicated on milestones rather than instantaneous statehood. Israeli officials are skeptical of the Saudi-led push for normalization deals and Palestinian statehood, viewing it as a White House political consideration rather than a genuine demand from Riyadh. Despite the potential benefits of such deals, many Israelis believe that the timing is not right and that the US commitment to the process may not be serious or sustainable. The Israeli government is working to find a viable phrasing that would address both Palestinian aspirations and Israeli security concerns, while also satisfying the Saudis and advancing the broader regional peace process. Ultimately, the success of this effort will depend on the ability of all parties to navigate complex political dynamics and find common ground.

    • Bipartisan support crucial for US-Saudi defense relationshipSecuring bipartisan support for a US-Saudi defense relationship upgrade requires a ceasefire and Israeli political will for peace, but potential Palestinian Independence Day commemoration could complicate matters.

      For any advanced diplomatic defense relationship or defense pact between the US and Saudi Arabia, requiring a 2/3 vote in the Senate, it's crucial to have bipartisan support. This could potentially lead to a significant win for Israel and the US, but it hinges on a ceasefire and political will from leaders like Netanyahu to take risks for peace. However, given Netanyahu's current political situation and lack of trust from the Israeli public, it's uncertain if he'll make such a move. Additionally, the potential interpretation of October 7th as a new Palestinian Independence Day could create domestic political issues in both Israel and the US.

    • Israeli voters not ready for Palestinian statehoodIsraeli voters prioritize domestic issues over Palestinian statehood, making it a risky move for politicians to compromise with Palestinians despite potential diplomatic benefits.

      Israeli voters currently have no appetite for concrete steps towards the formation of a Palestinian state, despite potential diplomatic benefits from normalizing ties with Saudi Arabia. Netanyahu, who understands the political climate, can use the rhetoric of Palestinian statehood as a tool to secure regional alliances while avoiding any real action towards statehood. Israeli voters are aware of Saudi Arabia's lack of genuine concern for the Palestinian cause and are more concerned about domestic issues. This political environment makes it a risky move for Israeli politicians to compromise with the Palestinians, even if it comes with security assurances or US guarantees.

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