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    JRE MMA Show #45 with Justin Wren & Rafael Lovato Jr.

    en-usOctober 15, 2018

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    • From diverse martial arts background to BJJ black belt and MMA fighterRafael Lovato's journey from exploring various martial arts to becoming a BJJ black belt and successful MMA fighter showcases the importance of a diverse training background and unwavering dedication.

      Rafael Lovato's martial arts journey began with a diverse background in various disciplines, including Jeet Kune Do, boxing, Muay Thai, Escrima, Wing Chung, and Pinchak Si Lot, before he discovered Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as a teenager. Despite becoming a highly accomplished Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt and the first American father and son to earn the title, Lovato always considered himself a martial artist first and foremost, with the goal of eventually competing in MMA. This ambition was influenced by BJ Penn, who won the World Championships in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and then transitioned to MMA. Lovato's passion for the full spectrum of martial arts, coupled with his dedication and perseverance, led him to become a formidable competitor in both Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and, later, MMA.

    • From BJJ to MMA: Seeking New ChallengesThe monotony of competing in the same tournaments and facing the same opponents led a BJJ practitioner to explore MMA for its new challenges and evolving striking styles.

      The interviewee's experience in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) pushed him to be a trailblazer and strive for excellence, but eventually, he felt the need for a new challenge and was drawn to MMA. The monotony of competing in the same tournaments against the same opponents year after year had lost its motivation for him. He had started wrestling and kickboxing as supplements to his BJJ training and eventually met his MMA coach, Marisio Amado, in Coratiba. Amado's Muay Thai style, specifically designed for MMA, was a game-changer for the interviewee, and he fell in love with it. The difference in the striking style was not just about the smaller gloves but the overall movement and strategy. The interviewee's passion for martial arts led him to have one MMA fight as a tribute to his past and to explore new challenges. Throughout his BJJ career, he had trained various martial arts, but it was the evolution of Muay Thai into MMA that ultimately called him to switch.

    • The interconnectedness of offense and defense in MMAThe speaker's relationship with Manisu and his team allowed him to fully utilize his skills and adapt to various situations in MMA, leading to personal growth and a successful career.

      The interconnectedness of offense and defense in martial arts, specifically in the context of MMA, allows individuals like the speaker to fully utilize their skills and adapt to various situations. This was particularly beneficial for the speaker, who found a perfect fit in working with Manisu and his team. The relationship between them extended beyond training, with Manisu playing a significant role in the speaker's MMA journey and eventually becoming a close friend and mentor. The speaker's commitment to training in Brazil for camps is a testament to the impact Manisu had on his career and personal growth. Additionally, the speaker's father, who had a fear of flying, made an exceptional effort to support his son's passion for martial arts, even driving long distances for training and eventually overcoming his fear to travel to Spain for the famous Camino de Santiago pilgrimage.

    • The importance of passion and support in martial artsFollow your passion for martial arts, have the support of loved ones, and commit to intense training for success.

      The passion for martial arts and the support from family are crucial elements for a successful martial arts journey. The speaker's friend's determination to complete the Appalachian drill and the speaker's own experiences of training under influential martial artists and competing in Brazil during the early days of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in the US, all highlight the importance of following one's passion and having the support of loved ones. The speaker's experiences in Kudachiba, Japan, where sparring is intense and considered an essential part of training, demonstrate the commitment and dedication required to excel in martial arts. The unique camaraderie and non-personal nature of the sparring sessions in Kudachiba also show that the martial arts community is a supportive and celebratory one.

    • Impact of Training Camps on Fighter's PerformanceFighters can choose between reducing sparring for technical work and conditioning or opting for high-intensity training camps depending on their strengths, weaknesses, and fighting style.

      The structure and intensity of training camps can greatly impact a fighter's performance. Some fighters, like Cowboy Cerrone and Tony Ferguson, have found success by reducing their sparring and focusing on technical work and conditioning. This approach allows them to avoid injuries and perform at their best come fight night. However, other fighters, like Conor McGregor, may benefit from more traditional high-intensity training camps to prepare for high-stakes fights. Ultimately, each fighter's approach to training depends on their individual strengths, weaknesses, and fighting style. Additionally, external factors such as injuries and opponent matchups can also influence a fighter's training regimen and fight outcome.

    • USC Incident: A Dangerous Turn of EventsThe USC incident between McGregor and Nurmagomedov highlighted the importance of maintaining control, preventing physical altercions, and celebrating human spirit and perseverance.

      The incident at USC between Conor McGregor and Khabib Nurmagomedov was a dangerous and unfortunate turn of events, with both parties involved in physical altercions. While some people, like Khabib, seemed relatively unfazed by the situation, others were concerned about the potential consequences, including possible injuries, suspensions, and damage to the sport's image. The incident also highlighted the importance of security and communication in preventing such incidents, as well as the inspiring stories of individuals who overcome adversity through determination and resilience, such as Nick Santonastasso, who lost his arms and legs but continued to pursue his passion for wrestling. Ultimately, the incident serves as a reminder of the importance of maintaining control and avoiding unnecessary violence, while also celebrating the human spirit and perseverance.

    • Dedication to a Goal, Even Extreme, Can InspireNick's friend Neil's extreme dedication to wrestling despite a toe amputation inspires, but the UFC's violent incidents can disappoint, reminding us that actions in the ring don't always reflect true character.

      Commitment to one's goals, no matter how extreme, can lead to inspiring stories. The story of Nick and Neil, two wrestling enthusiasts, illustrates this idea. Nick's friend Neil had his toe amputated to continue training, showing an unwavering dedication to his dream. However, the line between inspiration and disappointment can be thin. Witnessing a violent incident at a UFC fight left some attendees feeling disappointed, especially when contrasted with the respect and discipline typically associated with martial arts. Ultimately, the extracurricular violence and hype surrounding the UFC fights can overshadow the core values of martial arts. It's essential to remember that the actions of fighters during fights may not represent their true character and values.

    • Emotional warfare between Khabib and McGregorKhabib's response to McGregor's trash-talk led to increased aggression, overshadowing his post-fight message about respect.

      The UFC 223 fight between Khabib Nurmagomedov and Conor McGregor showcased the intense emotional and mental warfare that can occur between opponents, with Khabib's determination to talk and fight leading to a surprising outcome. While McGregor is known for his trash-talking abilities, his words had the opposite effect on Khabib, who took the taunts personally and responded with increased aggression. This moment, which went against Khabib's usual respectful demeanor, added to the excitement of the highly-anticipated matchup. However, the emotional intensity also overshadowed Khabib's post-fight message about respect and sportsmanship, limiting its reach to a smaller audience compared to the record-breaking pay-per-view numbers. Ultimately, the fight served as a reminder of the complex psychological dynamics that can influence the outcome of high-stakes competitions.

    • Cultural sensitivity is key when travelingBe aware of and respect local customs to avoid misunderstandings and conflicts during travel

      Cultural sensitivity is crucial when traveling to new places. An incident involving a laser pointer and a car attempting to run them down forced a change in accommodations during a visit to Dagestan. Whistling and showing the bottom of one's feet are considered disrespectful behaviors in this part of the world. The tension between Khabib Nurmagomedov and Conor McGregor escalated, leading to a violent altercation. The promotion of this incident by the UFC, despite its illegality and potential harm, shocked some observers. Ultimately, it's essential to be aware of and respect the cultural norms of the places we visit to avoid misunderstandings and potential conflicts.

    • The use of controversy and trash talking in MMA fights boosts financial successControversial moments and trash talking add entertainment value and generate buzz, leading to increased pay-per-view sales and social media following in MMA fights.

      The use of controversy and trash talking in promoting high-stakes MMA fights, such as Conor McGregor vs. Floyd Mayweather, can significantly increase the financial success of the event. This is a departure from the more respectful and less commercialized martial arts tournaments of the past. For many fans, including the speaker, the initial draw to martial arts was the desire to learn how to fight and test oneself, without the emphasis on money and promotion. However, moments like Conor McGregor's dolly-throwing incident and Derek's Lewis's post-fight interview antics add entertainment value and generate buzz, leading to increased pay-per-view sales and social media following. The speaker's favorite moment of the night was Derek Lewis's knockout victory and his hilarious post-fight interview, which showcased the lighter side of MMA and provided a refreshing contrast to the more serious and commercialized aspects of the sport.

    • Cormier's Wrestling Skills May Give Him an EdgeDespite challenges, Cormier's wrestling skills and entertaining personality make him a popular contender, while the UFC's handling of title fights and the Muhammad Ali Act are topics of debate

      The upcoming fight between Derek Lewis and Daniel Cormier is expected to sell a lot due to their entertaining personalities and impressive fighting skills. However, Cormier's wrestling experience and technique may give him an edge over Lewis' raw power. Despite facing numerous challenges throughout his career, Cormier has gained a large following and is now widely respected for his commentary and humor. The UFC's handling of title fights and contenders has been a topic of debate, with some arguing for a more objective decision-making process. The Muhammad Ali Act, which regulates boxing titles, could be a potential solution for MMA.

    • The Ali Act ensures transparency in boxing through disclosure of bylaws and fee schedulesThe Ali Act promotes fairness and transparency in boxing by requiring organizations to disclose their rules and fees to the FTC, benefiting fighters and fans alike.

      The Ali Act, a professional boxing safety act, specifies that sanctioning organizations must disclose their bylaws, ratings criteria, policies, and general sanctioning fee schedules with the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and make this information publicly available. This act aims to ensure transparency and fairness in boxing, particularly in revenue distribution between promoters and fighters. The act also mentions a symbol for laws, which is a common representation of legal statutes. The speaker expresses a strong belief in favoring fighters due to their high risk and short careers, and criticizes the stripping of Tony Ferguson from a title due to injury. Additionally, the speaker discusses USADA's role in drug testing and its strict penalties, which can significantly impact a fighter's earning potential.

    • Impact of PES issues on MMA fighters' careers and potential solution through tournament formatsTournament formats in MMA offer a solution for determining title contenders efficiently, providing significant earning opportunities and exposure for fighters, unlike the UFC's handling of PES issues which can lead to lengthy suspensions and lost earnings.

      The handling of potential performance-enhancing substance issues in mixed martial arts (MMA) can significantly impact a fighter's career, as seen with the case of Josh Barnett. The UFC's inability to control this independent entity can lead to lengthy suspensions and lost earning opportunities. However, tournament formats, like those used in Bellator and PFL, offer a potential solution for determining title contenders more efficiently. Josh Copeland's recent success in the PFL tournament showcases this, with his impressive performances earning him a million-dollar fight at Madison Square Garden. The million-dollar prize is distributed across various weight classes in these tournaments, with NBC Sports airing the events. The tournaments are intense, with fighters having to compete in multiple fights within a night, as seen with Copeland's brutal two-round and three-round bouts. Despite not training with him regularly, I've met Copeland and can attest to his nice demeanor and impressive dedication to his craft.

    • Josh, a competitive eater, works for BellatorCompetitive eater Josh, known for eating large quantities, now works for Bellator MMA, finding it professional and friendly despite unusual combination with 50 Cent's champagne promotion

      Josh, a competitive eater, holds several records for consuming large quantities of food in short time frames. He famously finished the 72-ounce steak challenge at the Big Texan in under 32 minutes, and later consumed 400 shrimp at Red Lobster. Josh's eating feats earned him a ban from some restaurants, but he has since lost weight and is now training in MMA in Colorado. Meanwhile, 50 Cent, a rapper and entrepreneur, is promoting Bellator's million-dollar tournament by offering his champagne to winners. Despite the unusual combination, Josh enjoys working for Bellator and finds it to be a professional and friendly organization.

    • Meeting Legends: A Brown Belt's Unforgettable ExperienceEmbracing challenges and being open to new experiences can lead to unforgettable moments and valuable learning opportunities.

      Passion and determination can lead to remarkable experiences and opportunities. The speaker shares a story about meeting and training with two Brazilian Jiu Jitsu legends, Salahou Barrow and Seanji, when he was just a brown belt. Despite the intimidation of facing these world champions, he pushed through and even managed to submit one of Salahou's black belts in a tournament. This experience not only boosted his confidence but also provided him with a valuable learning opportunity. The chance encounter led to a deeper appreciation for the sport and the legends who had made it great. It serves as a reminder that being open to new experiences and embracing challenges can lead to unforgettable moments.

    • The value of respect and connection in BJJIn BJJ, it's not just about winning or losing, but also about respect, connection, and sharing knowledge with others.

      The value of respect and connection in the world of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu goes beyond the mat. During a competition, the speaker faced a skilled opponent and although he lost, the opponent's kindness and respect towards him left a lasting impression. Later, when the speaker had the opportunity to train with this opponent in Brazil, he was welcomed with open arms and learned invaluable techniques and skills. This experience showed the speaker that the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu community is not just about winning or losing, but also about respect, connection, and sharing knowledge. The speaker's journey highlights the importance of maintaining relationships and learning from others, regardless of the outcome of a competition.

    • Training with Saulo Ribeiro and Seanji in Toledo, OhioIntensive daily training with experienced martial artists like Saulo Ribeiro and Seanji, along with the use of an Aerodyne bike, can significantly improve one's guard game and lead to earning a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

      Intensive training with experienced martial artists, like Saulo Ribeiro and Seanji, can significantly improve one's guard game. The speakers in this conversation shared their experiences of training in Toledo, Ohio, with these two Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu masters. They described how they were constantly challenged and destroyed in their guard due to the lack of length and framing skills. To help them push through, they used an Aerodyne bike during training, which required them to maintain a certain pace while their partners were in a scrum. This intense, daily training helped the speakers progress in their guard game and ultimately earn their black belts. Another influential figure mentioned in the conversation was Mark Lehman, who had a deep understanding of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu techniques and had a significant impact on their training. Despite some setbacks, such as injuries, the speakers emphasized the importance of dedicated training and the influence of experienced mentors in mastering the art of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

    • Shifting to a balanced approach in strength conditioningFocus on clean movement, health, and awareness for sustainable and effective strength training. Incorporate various techniques like deadlifts with a trap bar, kettlebell workouts, and yoga for mobility and recovery.

      Effective strength conditioning doesn't have to be about pushing yourself to the point of injury. The speaker shares how they used to believe that destructive workouts were necessary, but their coach helped them shift to a more balanced approach focusing on clean movement, health, and awareness. This includes exercises like deadlifts with a trap bar, kettlebell workouts, and even yoga for mobility and recovery. The speaker emphasizes the importance of listening to your body and incorporating various techniques into your routine, rather than relying on one harsh training method. This approach allows for a more sustainable and effective training regimen.

    • Learning from Masters: Justin's Journey to ImproveActive recovery and proper self-care are vital for optimal training and performance. Seek guidance from masters to enhance skills and gain unique coaching styles.

      Active recovery is crucial for optimal training and performance. Luke taught Justin the importance of taking care of his body through activities like walking, stretching, and yoga on rest days. Overtraining can lead to weakness and exhaustion, and it's essential to make training a lifestyle that includes proper nutrition, movement, and mindset. Raphael, a modern-day samurai and Brazilian jiu-jitsu master, inspired Justin to improve his jujitsu skills and learn from his unique coaching style. Raphael's approach to teaching, which breaks down techniques inch by inch, helped Justin grasp the concepts and become a more proficient fighter. Justin's decision to move to Oklahoma to train with Raphael was influenced by personal and professional connections, as well as the opportunity to learn from the master himself.

    • The impact of a mentor's trust and dedication in Jiu-JitsuTrusting a mentor's expertise and committing to regular training with the gi leads to growth and expansion of knowledge in Jiu-Jitsu, fostering a sense of community and family.

      Trust and dedication are essential elements in the journey of learning and mastering Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. The speaker shares how his mentor, a heavyweight MMA fighter, has significantly impacted his growth as a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner through small adjustments and guidance. Despite initial skepticism, the speaker's trust in his mentor's expertise led to a deep appreciation and expansion of his knowledge in the sport. The use of the gi, or kimono, was a crucial aspect of their training, as it required a greater focus on technique and attention to detail. The speaker emphasizes that becoming part of the Jiu-Jitsu community and family is vital, and one cannot fully experience its benefits without committing to regular training and wearing the gi. The speaker's unique experience with his mentor is a testament to the transformative power of trust and dedication in the world of martial arts.

    • Oklahoma wrestler Rafael's journey to Brazilian Jiu-JitsuRafael's adaptability, open-minded attitude, and eagerness to learn helped him excel in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and his success extended beyond the mat as he used his platform to make a difference in the community.

      Oklahoma wrestler, Rafael, showed remarkable adaptability and quick learning when he trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) under the guidance of his coach. Despite being uncomfortable with the new techniques and positions, Rafael's open-minded attitude, natural athleticism, and eagerness to learn made the transition smooth. His success in BJJ, which involved finishing fights with submissions instead of just punching, was a result of his ability to embrace the unfamiliar and apply new knowledge. Rafael's story is inspiring, as he not only excelled in martial arts but also used his platform to make a difference in the community. He and his coach launched a bullying prevention campaign, raising over $14,000 through their academy. Rafael's experiences demonstrate the power of a growth mindset and the importance of being open to new challenges and opportunities.

    • Bullying's Impact on Students and the Rise of CyberbullyingBullying affects over 160,000 students daily, leading to depression, addiction, suicides, and school shootings. Cyberbullying intensifies the issue, leaving students feeling helpless and isolated, with severe consequences including suicidal ideation and attempts.

      Bullying is a pervasive issue in schools across the United States, with an estimated 160,000 kids skipping school every day due to bullying. This issue extends beyond the classroom, with students dealing with depression, addiction, suicides, and school shootings at alarming rates. The problem of bullying has intensified due to the rise of cyberbullying, which can occur off-campus and online, leaving students feeling helpless and isolated. The consequences of bullying can be severe, with some students experiencing suicidal ideation or even attempting suicide. In response, initiatives like David's Law, which allows law enforcement and schools to take action against cyberbullying, are being implemented to address this issue. It's important for us to recognize the seriousness of bullying and take action to prevent it, whether through legislation, education, or community support. The psychology of evil, as discussed in a TED talk by Philip Zimbardo, emphasizes the importance of being a "hero" and intervening when we witness bullying, rather than being a "bystander" or "supporter" of such behavior. By taking a stand against bullying and supporting initiatives to prevent it, we can make a difference in the lives of countless students.

    • Martial arts: More than physical combat, it's a character-building disciplineMartial arts instills core values like loyalty, respect, honor, discipline, attitude, and family, shaping individuals into better versions of themselves through continuous learning and self-improvement

      Martial arts is more than just physical combat; it's a character-building discipline. According to our discussion, heroes often come from weak backgrounds and bully others due to their own insecurities. Martial arts provides guidance, discipline, and valuable life lessons, helping individuals overcome challenges and grow. The principles of loyalty, respect, honor, discipline, attitude, and family are core values instilled in martial arts programs. These values, along with the emphasis on continuous learning and self-improvement, set martial arts apart from other sports. Whether it's wrestling, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, or any other martial art, the experience shapes individuals into better versions of themselves. Through partnerships with brands like Century, Zebra, Gameness, and Suples, we can provide access to quality equipment and resources for martial arts training and character development.

    • Partnerships and Individuals Making a DifferenceThrough partnerships and individual efforts, Fight For The Forgotten raises funds to build wells and provides bullying prevention curriculum, impacting thousands of lives.

      Through partnerships with organizations like Cash App and the efforts of individuals, Fight For The Forgotten has been able to make a significant impact in providing clean water to communities in need. For example, with Cash App's help, they have raised over $150,000 to build a well in Tanzania. Additionally, through their Heroes and Waiting crowdfunding tournament, they aim to raise $4,200 to fund wells and provide bullying prevention curriculum to martial arts academies. The tournament also offers incentives like gym renovations and trips to events for the top fundraisers. By involving and motivating individuals and organizations, Fight For The Forgotten is able to make a difference in the lives of thousands.

    • Fundraising Campaign for Clean Water and Bullying PreventionJustin's team organizes a fundraising campaign inviting martial arts schools to join, aiming to reach $4,200 for helpful materials and prizes. The campaign addresses water crisis and bullying prevention in communities affected by natural disasters, with over 100 schools as the goal.

      The discussion revolved around a fundraising campaign for a cause that aims to provide clean water and bullying prevention in communities affected by natural disasters. The campaign, organized by Justin and his team, invites martial arts schools to join and reach a goal of $4,200 to receive helpful materials for their programs. Prizes include a championship belt for the top team and goal medals for individuals reaching the goal. The campaign currently has several teams signed up, including one from South Carolina, where a martial arts instructor named James Wright is unable to return home due to hurricane damage and has set up a fundraiser to teach his community about bullying prevention. The goal is to get 100 schools involved, and the funds raised will not only benefit the schools but also help address the water crisis and promote a cause that brings communities together.

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