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    Kenneth Cole: Kenneth Cole

    enNovember 16, 2020
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    • Innovation and advancement in organizations and travelDetermination, teamwork, and adaptability lead to success in entrepreneurship. Organizations and individuals can benefit from continuous innovation, AI-driven collaboration, and flexible rewards.

      Innovation and advancement are key priorities for organizations like the National Security Agency, offering exceptional careers and benefits. Meanwhile, businesses and individuals can maximize their travel experiences with flexible and rewarding credit cards. Kenneth Cole's success story from How I Built This highlights the importance of determination, teamwork, and adaptability in entrepreneurship. Atlassian, a leading software company, emphasizes the power of AI-driven collaboration and productivity to help teams achieve the impossible. Overall, these examples illustrate the significance of continuous innovation, adaptability, and teamwork in both personal and professional growth.

    • Building a business through company culture and taking a standCompanies that align with consumer values and causes can build a loyal customer base and increase revenue. Tools like Insparity and Canva can help businesses build strong company cultures and create compelling presentations.

      Company culture and taking a stand on important issues can significantly contribute to business growth. As shown by the example of Kenneth Cole, companies that align their brand with values and causes that resonate with consumers can build a loyal customer base and increase revenue. Additionally, tools like Insparity and Canva can help businesses build strong company cultures and create compelling presentations, respectively. Kenneth Cole, born in Brooklyn in the 1950s, started out with dreams of becoming a baseball player but ended up selling peanuts at Shea Stadium and eventually joining his father's shoe business, El Greco. From there, he turned Kenneth Cole into a successful fashion label by taking a stand on controversial issues and building a strong company culture. Meanwhile, tools like Insparity's HR services and Canva's design platform can help businesses build a strong company culture and create effective presentations, respectively.

    • Unexpectedly joining the family shoe businessAn unexpected summer job led the speaker to discover a passion for craftsmanship and instilled a strong work ethic.

      The speaker's father, a World War II veteran and determined businessman, unexpectedly drew the speaker into the family shoe business when the superintendent resigned. Initially, the speaker had planned to become a lawyer, but the summer experience at the factory piqued his curiosity and led him to learn the intricacies of shoe-making. The speaker's father, though proud, pushed him to work hard and strive for excellence. The speaker's fascination with the sample room and the craftsmanship behind shoe-making ultimately led him to commit to the business and make it his career. The experience not only deepened the speaker's understanding of his father's work but also instilled a strong work ethic that he passed down to his own children.

    • Identifying successful business models abroadRecognizing opportunities outside your current business model can lead to growth and independence, even if it means leaving your family business.

      Identifying opportunities outside of your current business model can significantly grow a company. In the discussed scenario, the speaker identified a successful business model in Europe, importing and selling shoes, which led to the conversion and growth of his father's domestic shoe factory. However, after six years of working for his father, the speaker felt the need to strike out on his own and start his own shoe company due to differences in opinion and a desire for independence. Despite initial resistance from his father, the speaker's determination and newfound confidence led him to leave and pursue his dream. Ultimately, this decision led to the success of both his father's business and his own.

    • Building a business with limited resourcesLeverage connections, be resourceful, and build relationships to start and grow a business with limited resources.

      Starting a business with limited resources requires creativity, determination, and strategic partnerships. Kenneth Cole started his shoe company with minimal funds by leveraging his connections in Italy and finding an agent with credibility in the marketplace. He also used open accounts with factories and sold shoes to department stores, some of which were previously untapped by his father's business. Cole's co-founder, Sam Edelman, joined him in creating the brand and business plan in their apartment. Through hard work and strategic partnerships, Cole was able to create a successful business and establish himself as a designer, despite not seeing himself in that role before. This story highlights the importance of building relationships, being resourceful, and believing in oneself to start and grow a business.

    • Starting a business involves making tough decisionsAdaptability, resourcefulness, perseverance, and quick thinking are crucial when starting a business. Avoid trademark issues, rent a factory, and meet deadlines to debut your collection.

      Starting a business involves making tough decisions and adapting to uncertainty. Kenneth Cole shared his experience of starting his shoe company in the 1980s, when he had to figure out the number of constructions and colors for his shoes, as well as the name and production process, all while working within tight deadlines and limited resources. He recounted how he called his company Kenneth Cole to avoid trademark issues and rented a factory in Italy to produce his collection. Cole's determination and quick thinking allowed him to meet his deadline and debut his collection at the Market Week shoe show in New York, despite the challenges he faced. This story highlights the importance of being adaptable and resourceful when starting a business, as well as the value of perseverance and hard work.

    • Creative marketing stunt using a truck on a busy NYC cornerFiling for a fake film permit and using a truck as a mobile billboard attracted attention and buzz for a new shoe company

      When faced with a challenge in marketing his shoe company, the founder, Kenneth Cole, came up with a creative solution by renting a truck and parking it on a busy New York City corner to showcase his shoes. He managed to secure the permit by filing for a fake film permit and even had police presence as part of the security detail. Although there was some filming involved, the main objective was to attract crowds to the trailer using a banner and personal invitation from the founder. This unconventional marketing strategy generated buzz and attracted attention to the fledgling company.

    • Adapting to changing consumer trends and market demandsKenneth Cole's success in footwear industry came from his quick adaptation to trends, large quantities of shoes with flexible designs, and record-breaking delivery times, leading to consumer demand for unique products and growth during recession.

      Kenneth Cole's success in the footwear industry during the early 1980s was due to his ability to adapt quickly to changing consumer trends and market demands. He committed to buying large quantities of shoes but kept the specific designs flexible, allowing him to adjust the supply chain based on sales at fashion shows. This resulted in record-breaking delivery times and a strong desire from consumers for his unique, high-heeled pumps and convertible boots. Additionally, during a recession in the late 1980s, Cole saw opportunities to innovate and re-engage with consumers, leading to further growth for his brand. Overall, his success can be attributed to his agility, creativity, and ability to anticipate and respond to market shifts.

    • Identify unique market gaps and cater to customers' desiresSuccessful entrepreneurs observe people, understand their needs, and offer unique products to differentiate their brand from competitors. Listen to customers and offer products that don't exist in the market to resonate with consumers and set your business apart.

      Successful entrepreneurs like Manolo Blahnik identify unique market gaps and create products that cater to customers' desires, rather than dictating what they should want. Blahnik's insights came from observing people and understanding their needs, which helped him differentiate his brand from competitors. He also emphasized the importance of listening to customers and offering products that don't exist in the market. By 1982, Blahnik's brand was selling nationally, and he expanded into men's shoes, women's handbags, and leather goods to cater to the same customer base without compromising the brand's essence. This approach led to a successful business that resonated with consumers and set Blahnik apart from competitors.

    • Designer Steve Madden uses fashion as a platform for social change during the AIDS crisisDesigner Steve Madden utilized his fashion brand to raise awareness about AIDS during the 1980s, using public ad campaigns and self-expressive trends to spark conversation and combat stigma.

      During the 1980s, designer Steve Madden recognized the potential of fashion as a platform for social change. He noticed the growing trend in men's fashion and saw an opportunity for self-expression. However, the AIDS crisis was a significant issue consuming the nation, especially in New York and San Francisco. Although one of his designers, David Bregnoli, was living with HIV, it was not openly discussed. Madden, recognizing the importance of addressing this issue, launched an ad campaign to raise awareness about AIDS. Despite the stigma surrounding the disease, Madden remained committed to making a difference, using his fashion platform to bring attention to a crucial cause. The campaign featured fashion models and was widely publicized, contributing to the ongoing conversation about AIDS.

    • Annie Leibovitz campaign for Kenneth Cole's age researchKenneth Cole's bold barefoot campaign with top models launched his career, sparked social missions, and raised hundreds of millions for AIDS research.

      Annie Leibovitz helped launch Kenneth Cole's career by photographing a campaign promoting awareness for age research, with top models like Kristi Brinkley, Paulina Periscova, and John Severns participating barefoot. Cole made a bold statement by having the models go barefoot and kept his brand discreetly hidden in the sponsor list. The campaign, which aimed to break the silence around stigma, ran in 23 magazines and became a turning point for Cole, leading him to focus on social missions and become involved in various causes, including becoming the chair of Amfar and raising hundreds of millions of dollars for AIDS research. This early campaign showcased Cole's commitment to making a difference and using his platform for good.

    • Kenneth Cole's Strategic Move to Maintain Brand ControlTo maintain brand control and avoid being overshadowed, Kenneth Cole took his business public, then bought it back privately, allowing him to control distribution channels and remain independent.

      Kenneth Cole, a business leader married into the prominent Cuomo family, deliberately stayed away from politics in his brand messaging despite being married to a political figure. In the 1990s, he noticed a shift in the retail landscape, with consolidation and department stores considering eliminating middlemen like him. To remain relevant and fund his growth plans, Cole decided to open retail stores and take his brand public, but later took a significant financial loss to buy it back privately. This strategic move allowed him to maintain control over his brand and distribution channels, avoiding being overshadowed by larger retailers and their private labels.

    • Managing Metabolic Health with Cygnos' TechnologyCygnos' CGM and AI-app provide real-time glucose insights, helping individuals manage metabolic health and develop healthier habits. Kath Cole grew his business from $5M to $85M by opening stores in aspirational markets and going public.

      Understanding and managing one's metabolic health is crucial for optimal health and weight management. Many people, even those who eat healthy and exercise regularly, may be unaware that they have prediabetes. Cygnos, a technology company, offers a solution through its Continuous Glucose Monitor (CGM) and AI-driven app that provides real-time glucose insights, removing the guesswork and helping individuals develop healthier habits. The CDC estimates that over 96 million American adults have prediabetes, and over 80% are unaware. Kath Cole, a successful entrepreneur, also understood the importance of having a direct relationship with customers and expanding his business through controlling distribution and going public to raise funds for expansion. By opening stores in aspirational markets, he grew his business from a $5 million operation to an $85 million one by 1994. Today, Cygnos offers a discount to listeners who want to take control of their metabolic health with its innovative technology. Additionally, the book "How I Built This" is a great read for anyone looking for inspiration and wisdom from successful entrepreneurs.

    • Licensing to mass market retailers impacted Polo brand valueLicensing to mass market retailers can dilute a fashion brand's reputation and esteem, emphasizing the importance of maintaining brand values and reinventing to stay relevant.

      Licensing the Polo brand to mass market retailers, like Liz Claiborne, in the late 90s was a successful short-term decision for the company, but it ultimately diluted the brand value and took it downmarket. Ralph Lauren, as the chairman of a public company, was under pressure to drive sales and make money, but he acknowledges that this deal negatively impacted the brand's reputation and esteem over time. To maintain a fashion brand's relevance and aspirational image, it's essential to keep reinventing and not compromise the brand's values. Ralph Lauren's net worth reached over half a billion dollars in 2006, but the financial crisis and the need for a more accessible and focused leader led him to step down as CEO, only to return a few years later to fix the business and bring it back to its former glory.

    • Going Private: Regaining Control with Complexity and ControversyGoing private allows a company to regain control and make necessary adjustments, but the process is complex, expensive, and can face resistance from shareholders.

      Going public can come with significant pressures and limitations, making it difficult for a company to make necessary changes and shrink in size. The executive in question decided to take their company private to regain control and make the necessary adjustments. However, buying back shares from shareholders to go private is a complex and expensive process, requiring a lot of financing and potentially facing resistance from shareholders. Despite this, the executive was able to do it using their own shares and traditional bank financing. Some shareholders may have been unhappy with the buyback price, but a premium was offered, and the process was lengthy, leading to a lower offer. The executive was quoted as calling lawyers who filed class action suits extortionists, but it's possible that some shareholders felt legitimately aggrieved. Ultimately, the decision to go private gave the company the flexibility to make changes and grow, but it came with challenges and controversy.

    • Kenneth Cole goes private for long-term focusGoing private enabled Kenneth Cole to prioritize long-term strategy and brand development, resulting in a business overhaul, rebranding, and a focus on in-house shoe production and licensed clothing lines.

      Going private allowed the Kenneth Cole brand to focus on long-term strategy and brand development, rather than short-term profits. This led to a significant overhaul of the business model, including the closure of most stores and a rebranding effort in 2015. The rebrand was aimed at delivering a consistent point of view across all products and executions, and the company is now focusing on running the shoe business in-house while licensing out the clothing lines. The personal financial risk assumed by the owner also allowed for more risks and exploration of new paths. Despite the high prices of their shoes, they are not considered designer or fast fashion, but rather aspirational.

    • Creating value through design and innovationKenneth Cole focuses on creating valuable products that not only look good but also feel comfortable and timeless, even during the pandemic, by innovating and staying relevant.

      Creating value is key to selling products, not just price. Kenneth Cole shared his philosophy of designing shoes that not only look good but also feel comfortable and timeless. When rebranding, he aimed to attract customers with great taste, even if it was a bit aspirational. Despite the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic, Cole is focusing on creating innovative products, such as the perfect mask, to give customers a reason to make room in their closets. The fashion industry has been hit hard, but Cole is building resilience by becoming more agile, relevant, and profitable. Additionally, he launched the Mental Health Coalition to raise awareness and remove stigma around mental health issues, acknowledging that many people, including himself, have struggled during the pandemic.

    • Everyone is affected by mental health issuesMental health issues affect everyone, and it's important to create a supportive and stigma-free environment through collaboration and open conversations.

      Mental health conditions are not limited to a select few, but rather, they affect everyone in some way. Whether it's a friend, family member, colleague, or even a pet, mental health issues have become increasingly prevalent, especially in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic. The stigma surrounding mental health remains a significant barrier to seeking help, and there is a need for a more empowering and inspiring narrative to encourage open conversations. Ken Chenault's journey with Kenneth Cole reflects the power of hard work, emotional investment, and a deep understanding of consumer needs. His success is not just a result of luck or brute force, but a combination of these factors. The brand Kenneth Cole, too, has the potential to endure as a symbol of impact and relevance, adapting to the changing times and the evolving needs of consumers. The conversation between the interviewees also underscores the importance of collaboration and coalition-building among various mental health organizations and providers to create a supportive and stigma-free environment. Together, we can work towards breaking down the barriers and creating a more compassionate and understanding society.

    • Brand existence is a privilege that must be earned dailyKenneth Cole emphasizes the importance of hard work, staying relevant, and providing value to consumers to earn brand loyalty. Continuous learning and exploration are also key to success.

      According to Kenneth Cole, a brand's existence is a privilege that must be earned every day. Cole, the founder of Kenneth Cole, discussed the importance of continually proving the value of his brand and the significance of his early film production efforts. He emphasized the importance of hard work and the need to adapt, as seen in his transition from a shoe salesman to a successful brand owner. Cole's perspective highlights the importance of staying relevant and providing value to consumers, even as the market evolves. Additionally, the podcast episode featured mentions of various podcast recommendations, including "How I Built This," "The Cat in the Hatcast," and "Life is Short with Justin Long." These suggestions underscore the value of ongoing learning and exploration, as well as the importance of finding content that resonates with individual interests and perspectives.

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    10:11: Melissa Hartwig Urban, Co-Founder/CEO, Whole30 -- Next up is Melissa Hartwig Urban, the co-founder and CEO of popular 30-day lifestyle program Whole30. Since its launch in 2009, Whole30 has become a cultural phenomenon that has attracted millions of followers, many of whom adhere to its paleo-centric guidelines even after they complete the program. In this clip, pulled from our interview in Ep. 184, Urban explained why most of her work time is spent direct messaging with members of the Whole30 community, the importance of accessibility, and how she’s learned that “you can’t let perfect be the enemy of good.” 

    20:18: Interview: Travis Grillo, Founder/CEO, Grillo’s Pickles -- We continue with Travis Grillo, the founder and CEO of premium pickle brand Grillo’s. From his humble beginnings selling pickles out of a small food cart, Grillo’s has grown into a nationally distributed brand carried at several major chains and one that generates tens of millions of dollars in sales annually. In a clip from our wide-ranging interview with Grillo, which we featured in Ep. 175, he spoke about why he positioned Grillo’s as a lifestyle brand, how he considers new hires and investment and why he’s just as likely to take advice from a homeless person as he would from a billionaire.

    30:42:  Interview: T.K. Pillan, Co-Founder, Veggie Grill/PowerPlant Ventures -- We keep things going with T.K. Pillan, the chairman and co-founder of fast-casual restaurant chain Veggie Grill and investment firm PowerPlant Ventures. Thirteen years since opening its first location, Veggie Grill now has 37 stores and is planning to operate 50 locations by next year. In the following clip, from our interview with Pillan in Ep. 188, he discussed the common theme in all of his businesses, why it’s critical for co-founders to have a clear understanding of roles and complementary skill sets, why he described growth plans as “a double-edged sword” and what it means to be “a good investor.” 

    41:41: Sam Calagione, Founder, Dogfish Head Brewery -- Next we have some words of wisdom from Sam Calagione, the founder of iconic craft beer brand Dogfish Head. We spoke with Calagione in Ep. 189 and in the following clip, he reflected on his experience building Dogfish Head, which in May merged with Samuel Adams maker The Boston Beer Co. in a deal valued at $300 million. He also discussed why “goodness” is a pillar of Dogfish Head’s business philosophy, why he refers to employees as “co-workers” and why he urges entrepreneurs to figure out how “small their businesses can possibly be.”

    47:44: Alix Peabody, Founder/CEO, Bev -- Last, but not least, we have Alix Peabody, the founder of Bev, a wellness-focused canned wine brand that aims to change the narrative around how women are projected and perceived by the alcohol industry and redefine traditional ways of doing business in a space long dominated by men. In this clip pulled from Ep. 191, Peabody explained why, despite very challenging times, she never thought to quit, how she made inroads to tech investors and how she attempts to redefine “old school” ways of doing business. 

    Brands in this episode: Whole30, Grillo’s, Veggie Grill, Dogfish Head, Bev

    Insider Ep. 103: What Makes A ‘Hot’ Brand? It’s Personal.

    Insider Ep. 103: What Makes A ‘Hot’ Brand? It’s Personal.

    Jing Gao’s mission to “bring uncensored Chinese flavors to the table” has made her brand a hot commodity.

    An award-winning chef and former restaurant owner, Gao is the founder and CEO of Fly By Jing, an innovative brand of Sichuan-inspired sauces and seasonings that launched in 2018 and is known for its modern take on Chinese cuisine.

    In recent months, Gao has overseen a massive spike in demand for the brand’s products, which include a chili crisp, dumpling sauce and mala spice. The surge, driven partly by a New York Times article praising the versatility of the chili crisp, along with the brand’s rabid fan base -- Fly By Jing has over 25,000 Instagram followers -- has put Gao in the enviable, albeit complex, position of managing a very fast-growing company. 

    In an interview included in this episode, Gao discussed the origins of her passion for Chinese food culture and why she set out to create a brand that could elevate consumers’ expectations for the cuisine’s flavors while increasing Americans’ accessibility to high quality Sichuan-inspired condiments. She also discussed the company’s customer acquisition and marketing strategies, the thought process behind  its upcoming rebrand, managing shortfalls in production and how she addressed racist comments posted on the brand’s Instagram page.

    Show notes: 

    0:31: “Star Trek Supernova” > Blue Steel; The Best Of 2020 and Cycling Through A Trademark Battle -- The hosts riffed on Jacqui’s athletic prowess, why you shouldn’t cut your own hair and how entrepreneurs can take the first steps toward winning a BevNET or NOSH Best Of 2020 award. They also discussed why Peloton is angry at Peloton, the upcoming deadline to participate in New Beverage Showdown 20 and Pitch Slam 9, why a recent rebrand had Mike seeing stars and rainbows and why Ray could chug an entire bag of drizzled popcorn.

    20:13: Interview: Jing Gao, Founder/CEO, Fly By Jing -- Gao spoke with BevNET CMO Mike Schneider about why she changed her name from Jing to Jenny and then back again, how her travels to China ignited her interest in traditional Chinese cooking and led her to transition out of the corporate world and into a career in food. She also discussed Fly By Jing’s origins as an underground restaurant concept, the decision to launch a consumer brand and why she was intent on using high quality ingredients for the products, and how she leaned on her network in the U.S. and Canada to achieve the highest funded Kickstarter campaign for a craft food product and build a foundation for its consumer base. Later, she spoke about the company’s success in landing widespread media coverage, launching the brand via e-commerce, facing production and logistical challenges that arose from crushing demand, why creating packaging that was “approachable” was key to the rebrand and what’s next for Fly By Jing. 

    Brands in this episode: Fly By Jing, Don Ciccio & Figli, Solento Tequila, Sweet Chaos, Honey Mama’s, Nuun, Huy Fong

    Ep. 161: The Decisions That Almost Derailed Mamma Chia's Mission

    Ep. 161: The Decisions That Almost Derailed Mamma Chia's Mission

    As Mamma Chia was sprinting to runaway success, an error in judgment nearly caused its demise.

    Up until that point, the company’s star was on a steady rise. Within a year of its market debut in 2010, its innovative chia-based beverages were distributed in thousands of stores, including nationally at Whole Foods. A few months later, founder Janie Hoffman was highlighted in a widely-read New York Times article about growing consumer demand for chia. Mamma Chia has since evolved into a platform brand that also markets snacks and other foods and is one of the leading brands in the chia space.

    But when the addition of several new hires threatened to upend the company itself, Hoffman who joined us for an interview included in this episode, was forced to reassess her approach while steering the brand through a potential crisis.

    “We had gotten to a place where I thought we needed to get to that next step, and I valued experience over cultural fit and [the hires] were absolutely disastrous,” Hoffman said. “They really were. It’s a miracle the company survived it. That’s how damaging those hires were.”

    As part of a wide-ranging conversation, Hoffman spoke about the origins of Mamma Chia and how she created the foundation for its rapid ascent. She also discussed the importance of a supportive professional network and shared a painful lesson about hiring for experience versus cultural fit. Janie also explained her belief that “you can’t teach attitude” and why everyday happiness starts with a joyful spirit.

    Show notes:

    2:47: Interview: Janie Hoffman, Founder/CEO, Mamma Chia -- In an interview recorded at Mamma Chia headquarters in Carlsbad, Calif., Hoffman spoke about her personal experience with chia and how it led the brand’s creation. She also discussed how she evaluated the opportunity for Mamma Chia, why pre-launch market research was critical to her first meeting with Whole Foods and the brand’s early development, and how she attracted Honest Tea co-founder Seth Goldman as an investor and advisor. Later, she explained why hiring experienced professionals who were not fully aligned with the company’s mission caused very serious problems and how the current staffing process resulted in a new president of Mamma Chia. Finally, Hoffman discussed industry competition, why she’s turned down offers to sell the company and why meditation is key to her “spiritual hygiene.”

    Brands in this episode: Mamma Chia, Honest Tea, Beyond Meat

    “It’s Better To Be An Outsider.” How Brett Berish Rewrote The Rules Of Brand Creation.

    “It’s Better To Be An Outsider.”  How Brett Berish Rewrote The Rules Of Brand Creation.

    He’s one of the most successful brand creators in the wine and spirits industry, but, until recently, Brett Berish avoided the limelight. 

    Twenty-two years ago, Berish, whose family has long ties to the spirits business, launched Sovereign Brands, a brand development company that’s responsible for the massively successful super-premium Champagne label, Ace of Spades, and premium cognac D’usse. Hip-hop icon Jay-Z acquired the former in 2014 and also bought a stake in D’usse, which is now co-owned by rum giant Bacardi.

    Sovereign’s reputation for creating winning concepts continued with Luc Belaire, a line of French sparkling wines that, according to measured sales data, is the fastest growing premium sparkling wine brand in the U.S. and the fastest-growing French sparkling wine in the world. The company also owns Bumbu, a critically acclaimed craft rum from Barbados and the best-selling brand in the U.S. premium rum category, as well as McQueen and the Violet Fog, a small-batch gin from Jundiai, Brazil.

    Despite his remarkable success, Berish’s most valuable lessons came from failure. Reflecting upon the gravely  challenging times during his career has motivated him to become a more visible presence in the spirits industry with the aim of mentoring and advising young entrepreneurs about what it takes to persevere amid constant setbacks and struggles.

    In the following interview, Berish chronicled his journey as an entrepreneur, including what he learned from his failed vodka brand, why he urges entrepreneurs to trust their instincts and how innovation and category fit into his philosophy as a brand creator. He also spoke about how he aligned with iconic hip-hop artists, including Rick Ross, to promote and grow Sovereign-owned brands, and why he recently decided to partner with one of the largest wine and spirits companies in the world.

    Show notes:

    0:42: Interview: Brett Berish, Co-Founder, Sovereign Brands – Berish spoke with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif about his family’s lineage in beverage alcohol, his vision of creating 100% agave-based tequila while in high school, the inspiration behind Sovereign and the origins of its name and why he believes the company’s focus has remained the same since its inception. He also discussed why he sold a minority stake in Sovereign to Pernod Ricard, explained why not trusting his instincts led to the demise of his first brand, why hearing “no” motivates him, the importance of establishing  authenticity in celebrity partnerships and why he doesn’t have a specific strategy when it comes to retail channels. Later, he spoke about why he “loves” failure, how he overcame significant financial struggles early into his career and why transparency is the key to communication with his team.

    Brands in this episode: Ace of Spades, D’Usse, Luc Bellaire, Bumbu, McQueen and The Violet Fog