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    Live From the Comedy Cellar: Comedy, Free Speech, and Why the Last 10 Years of American Life Have Been So Uniquely Stupid with Jonathan Haidt, Greg Lukianoff, and Rikki Schlott

    enFebruary 09, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • A decade of societal shifts: technology, education, and the impact of social mediaStay informed and adapt to technological advancements, new skills, and societal changes to thrive in the future.

      The last decade has seen significant societal shifts, particularly in the realm of technology and education. Lisa Schneider's future transformation from an office worker to a dog rescue leader showcases the importance of continuous learning and adapting to new skills, made possible by programs like AARP's reskilling courses. Meanwhile, the influence of social media and its impact on society, as discussed by Ricky Schlotz and Jonathan Heights, has been compared to the fall of Babylon. These changes have affected various sectors, including education and the workplace, with Gen Z entering the office scene. The last 10 years have been marked by these transitions, leaving some feeling overwhelmed and unsure of their place in this rapidly evolving world. It's essential to stay informed and adapt to these changes to thrive in the future.

    • The Threat to Free Speech in Modern Society and Historical ParallelsUniversities' attempts to regulate student speech through bias response teams and speech codes have led to a culture where offense is easily taken and reported, over-policing harmless jokes, and a chilling effect on open dialogue. We must promote healthy discourse and prevent the destruction of our communities and institutions.

      We are living in a time where free speech is under threat and the consequences of this can be seen in various aspects of society, particularly on college campuses. The Tudor dynasty's experience with the printing press serves as a historical parallel, as this invention led to an increase in censorship and unrest. Today, universities have implemented bias response teams (BRTs) and speech codes in an attempt to regulate student speech, leading to a culture where offense is easily taken and reported. The consequences of this can be seen in the over-policing of harmless jokes and the chilling effect it has on open dialogue. The situation may seem dire, but it's important for us to navigate these challenges in a way that promotes healthy discourse and prevents the destruction of our communities and institutions. The experiences of Gen Z, who have grown up in this environment, are particularly noteworthy as they are on the front lines of this issue. The coddling of the American mind, as described in the book of the same name, has led to a culture where speech is medicalized, and individuals feel unsafe due to differing viewpoints. It's crucial that we acknowledge these issues and work towards fostering a culture of open and respectful dialogue.

    • The impact of social media on girls' mental healthSocial media use by girls aged 11-13 can lead to anxiety, interpersonal strife, and a toxic environment due to comparison, exposure to issues, lack of trust, and cancel culture. Limiting screen time and prioritizing real-life interactions can help.

      The use of social media, particularly by girls between the ages of 11 and 13, can have a significant negative impact on their mental health and well-being. The pressure to compare themselves to others and the constant exposure to the world's issues can lead to anxiety and interpersonal strife. Additionally, the lack of interpersonal trust and potential for public shaming through cancel culture can create a toxic environment for teenagers. It's important to recognize and address these issues in order to protect this vulnerable age group and help them develop resilience. The speaker, who wrote a book on the topic, emphasizes the need to limit screen time and prioritize real-life interactions during this critical period of development.

    • Social media's shift from connection to competitionThe introduction of likes, shares, and virality on social media has led to increased divisiveness and a toxic online environment, making it difficult for large democracies to remain stable.

      The introduction of social media features like the like and share buttons in 2011 and threaded comments in 2013 significantly changed the way we use these platforms, leading to increased divisiveness and competition for engagement. This shift from connection and communication to a focus on likes, shares, and virality has made it easier for harmful comments and misunderstandings to spread, leading to a toxic online environment. The result is a hyperviral world where everyone is fighting everyone, making it difficult for large, secular, and diverse democracies to remain stable. It's important to recognize this as a problem of divisiveness rather than just tribalism, as social media not only enhances tribalism but also fragments it, making it harder for widely-shared stories to emerge.

    • The Social Media Landscape Post-2009: A Fragmented SocietyThe Overton Window has shifted, leading to cancel culture, fear of expressing opinions, and a society where mistakes in youth can have permanent consequences.

      The social media landscape after 2009 has led to a significant imbalance, causing a fragmented society that is unsustainable. The Overton Window, which represents the acceptable range of public discourse in a society, has shifted, or even shattered into a thousand shards. This has resulted in an increase in cancel culture, where people are fearful of expressing their opinions due to potential backlash. Even children as young as middle schoolers are becoming politically active and forming strong identities, which can limit their growth and flexibility. The numbers of attempts to get professors fired for their views have surpassed the McCarthyism era, and the consequences of mistakes made during formative years can now be permanent. It's crucial to acknowledge these trends and consider their impact on individuals and society as a whole.

    • Social Media Use Among Girls and Mental Health CrisisSocial media usage among girls during middle school years is linked to increased rates of anxiety and depression. Platforms that promote community over personal connections may be especially harmful. The cultural narrative of coddling young people may exacerbate the problem, and more serious steps are needed to address it.

      The increasing use of social media, particularly by girls during their middle school years, is contributing to the mental health crisis among young people. This is supported by studies showing a significant increase in rates of anxiety and depression starting around 2012 or 2013, which is around the time social media usage became more widespread. The author suggests that social media platforms like Tumblr, which allow users to form communities based on shared interests rather than personal connections, may be especially harmful. The author also believes that the cultural narrative of coddling young people, which can inadvertently reinforce the idea that they are fragile and easily harmed, may be exacerbating the problem. The author wishes that more serious steps would be taken to address this issue and empower young people rather than disempowering them with messages of fragility and hopelessness. The author struggles with finding the line between compassion and coddling in their role as a professor.

    • Empowering Gen Z through open communication and shared understandingTo effectively manage and mentor Gen Z, foster open communication, provide constructive feedback, and promote a shared understanding of concepts like antifragility and emotional resilience.

      Addressing the challenge of effectively managing and mentoring Gen Z employees or students requires a collective effort. Individuals may have ideas, but without organizational support and a common understanding of concepts like antifragility and emotional resilience, it's difficult to implement them. Managers and educators must foster open communication and provide constructive feedback to help young people grow. The fear of giving feedback and the prevalence of reporting culture can hinder this process. By promoting a shared understanding of these concepts and encouraging open dialogue, we can create "pockets of rationality" that empower Gen Z to face challenges and grow stronger.

    • Moral dependency and mob mentality in education and corporationsMoral dependency can lead to reliance on figures of authority to solve conflicts, while mob mentality can result in public shaming and ruin lives. The importance of free speech and individual responsibility is crucial in addressing these issues.

      Moral dependency and mob mentality are major issues in both educational and corporate environments. Moral dependency refers to relying on others to solve moral conflicts instead of solving them independently. This can lead to a reliance on figures of authority to adjudicate interpersonal conflicts, which can be problematic in a corporate setting where two individuals are expected to resolve issues. Mob mentality, as discussed in relation to social media and college campuses, can result in public shaming and ruin lives. The speaker expressed concern over the increasing intolerance towards free speech from both sides of the political spectrum, making it difficult for comedians and professors to navigate these spaces. The speaker's work, including the documentary "Can You Take a Joke?" and his book "Unlearning Liberty," aim to address these issues and raise awareness about the importance of free speech and individual responsibility.

    • Impact of prioritizing impact over intent on humorIn today's society, humor is subject to cancel culture, leading to a loss of playfulness and good ideas, with only comedians pushing boundaries, due to the subjective line between free speech and hate speech.

      Humor, an essential part of society, has been impacted by the shift towards prioritizing impact over intent. Freud's theory that jokes contain elements of sex or aggression explains why some jokes elicit real laughter. However, in today's society, where humor is subject to anyone taking offense, there are only two stable equilibria: complete humorlessness or a society where comedians are the last bastion for pushing boundaries. This dynamic, fueled by social media, has led to a rise in cancel culture and a loss of playfulness and good ideas. The line between free speech and hate speech is subjective and cannot be clearly defined without considering the broader context of a pluralistic society that values free expression.

    • Understanding the nuances of free speech on campusThe First Amendment is crucial, but campus debates should consider the purpose of each institution and establish norms for speech to meet its goals, beyond just free speech

      While the First Amendment is an essential part of our country's foundation, the ongoing debate about free speech on college campuses may be missing the mark. Stanley Fish, a longtime critic of the First Amendment, argues that there are exceptions and that the concept of hate speech is too subjective. However, the introduction of speech codes in the 1970s and 1980s, which were later defeated in court, showed how these policies can be abused. Recent incidents, such as students throwing bags of shit at attendees of a controversial movie screening, highlight the current challenges with free speech on campus. Instead of focusing solely on free speech, it's crucial to consider the purpose and function of each institution and establish proper norms around speech to help it meet its goals. While the First Amendment is essential, the ongoing conversation about free speech on campus could benefit from a broader perspective that includes the importance of free inquiry and academic freedom.

    • Promoting authentic interactions and good faith debatesFocus on authentic interactions and good faith debates to create a more constructive and truth-seeking society. Distinguish between good and bad faith arguments and call for more spaces for direct engagement. Address the role of social media algorithms in amplifying divisiveness and consider implementing authentication requirements for users.

      Promoting good faith debates and authentic interactions is crucial for productive discussions and truth-seeking in society. The speakers emphasized the importance of distinguishing between good and bad faith arguments and called for more spaces where people can engage with each other's arguments directly, rather than resorting to ad hominem attacks or distractions. They also discussed the role of social media algorithms in amplifying divisiveness and suggested implementing authentication requirements for users to participate in online debates. By focusing on authentic interactions and good faith debates, we can create a more constructive and truth-seeking society. Additionally, the speakers touched upon the need to address the issue of international audiences and find ways to authenticate users without compromising their privacy.

    • Navigating the Gap Between Social Media and Higher EducationEmbrace diversity and complexity in social media and education, be open-minded to diverse perspectives, and consider exploring less conventional fields in higher education.

      The expectations and realities of social media platforms and higher education institutions can vary greatly, leading to different experiences and challenges for individuals. The speaker shared his personal experiences of encountering vastly different responses to his ideas at public and private universities, which he attributed to class differences and the incubation of orthodoxy in some institutions. He also highlighted the importance of being open-minded and exploring diverse perspectives, even if they challenge one's beliefs. In the realm of social media, the speaker suggested that a solution to the issue of bots and trolls might be a fundamentally different platform with different expectations. He encouraged young individuals navigating higher education to consider exploring less conventional fields and to take risks in their intellectual pursuits. Overall, the discussion underscored the importance of embracing diversity and complexity in both social media and education.

    • Universities failing to curate public intellectuals, opportunity for individualsIndividuals with academic training and good ideas can fill the gap in humanities, remember free speech and respect for all in society

      Universities have failed in their role of curating public intellectuals, and there is a growing opportunity for individuals with good ideas and academic training to step into this void. The humanities, once the domain of being human, are now overlooked, leaving a significant market for those who can engage with these subjects. The discussion also touched on the concern of censorship and the "mind virus" argument, where individuals call for limiting free speech based on exposure to certain ideas. This cultish mentality, present on both the left and right, is a dangerous form of elitism when tied to authoritarianism. It's essential to remember that people are free democratic citizens, not just objects to be controlled by the "smartest" among us. Additionally, the conversation highlighted the importance of restoring trust and unity in movements, like diversity and inclusion, that aim for a fair world. In essence, we must strive for a society where ideas are openly discussed and debated, and individuals are treated with respect and equality.

    • Shift in DEI focus since 2013Since 2013, focus on identity politics in DEI has become divisive and detrimental, leading to harmful practices. Corporate world aims to restore DEI to its original intent, demanding evidence for effectiveness and continuous innovation.

      The progress made in civil rights, diversity, and inclusion in America up until around 2013 was significant, but since then, the focus on identity politics has become divisive and detrimental. This shift, fueled by changes in social media and academic institutions, has led to the weaponization of DEI initiatives and the spread of harmful practices like unconscious bias training. However, there are positive efforts underway in the corporate world to restore DEI to its original intent of bringing people together. It's crucial to demand evidence for the effectiveness of these initiatives before implementing them and to continue innovating in the DEI space to create truly inclusive environments.

    • Understanding the Complexities of Gen Z Identity PoliticsGen Z's diverse demographics challenge traditional identity politics, education plays a crucial role in shaping perspectives, and corporate influence can lead to polarization. Acknowledging these complexities and fostering open dialogue can lead to a more inclusive understanding of individuals and their unique experiences.

      The complexities of individual identities and the diverse demographics of Gen Z may challenge the traditional identity politics, leading to a more nuanced understanding of individuals and their unique experiences. However, the role of education, particularly higher education, in shaping perspectives and providing access to diverse viewpoints, cannot be overlooked. Money and corporate influence in media and education also play a significant role in shaping discussions and can lead to polarization and conflict. To foster productive conversations, it's crucial to consider the personality and moral commitment of educators, the reasons individuals pursue higher education, and the influence of corporate control and money in shaping our world. By acknowledging these complexities and fostering open dialogue, we can work towards a more inclusive and nuanced understanding of the world around us.

    • Frustrations with Higher Education and Social MediaHigher education's bureaucratization leads to increased student debt, while social media use for younger ages may hinder development with long-term consequences. Breaking the higher education system and delaying social media use are suggested solutions.

      Higher education and social media are two areas causing frustration due to their cartel-like behavior and potential negative impacts on development. Higher education has seen an overwhelming increase in bureaucratization and administrative roles, leading to increased debt for students. Social media use, particularly for younger ages, is seen as inhibiting development and damaging, with potential long-term consequences. The comparison is drawn to historical examples, such as the regulation of cigarettes and the importance of allowing children to experience life and gain independence. In the case of higher education, efforts to break the system and reduce bureaucracy are ongoing. With social media, the suggestion is to delay use until a later age when the potential harm is lessened. Additionally, the requirement of diversity statements in job applications was discussed, with evidence suggesting they serve as political litmus tests rather than genuine considerations of viewpoint diversity.

    • Political Conformity in Higher Education: Challenges for ConservativesHigher education faces pressure to enforce political conformity, threatening academic freedom and intellectual diversity. Support open dialogue and promote academic freedom.

      The higher education system in the United States is facing increasing pressure to enforce political conformity, creating additional challenges for conservative students and faculty. This issue is worsening with the implementation of secret tribunals, potential cancellations, and even legislative action to enforce a political litmus test. This is a concerning development as intellectual diversity is crucial for a well-rounded education. It is important to support and promote open dialogue and academic freedom in higher education. Additionally, individuals and organizations can take action by subscribing to platforms that advocate for these values, leaving respectful discussions after events, and exploring opportunities for educational travel and personal growth with organizations like Rhodes Scholar.

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