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    Losing ZDadd, MOC is Dumb, Medical Masking

    enApril 29, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • The VPZD Show Returns with Renewed Focus After 14-Month HiatusThe VPZD Show, a popular medical podcast, returned after a 14-month hiatus due to the pandemic and personal reasons. The hosts remained friends and continued to provide valuable medical insights, despite conspiracy theories about their relationship. Vinay's father passed away during the hiatus, and the podcast will discuss his personal loss.

      The VPZD Show, a popular medical podcast, took a 14-month hiatus due to the pandemic and personal reasons. During this time, the hosts, Vinay and Zubin, faced various conspiracy theories about their relationship. However, they remained friends and returned with a renewed focus. The podcast was a source of comfort and validation for many listeners, including academics, who joined research teams based on the discussions. Vinay's father, Rustam Dimania, passed away during the hiatus at the age of 84. The VPZD Show is back, and they plan to discuss various topics, including Vinay's personal loss. The podcast was born out of necessity and provided a sense of sanity during uncertain times. Despite speculation, the hosts did not part ways due to conflict but chose to take a break and regroup. The VPZD Show continues to be a source of medical news and insight for its audience.

    • Having open conversations about end-of-life wishesHaving honest conversations about end-of-life wishes with loved ones can provide a sense of purpose and bring clarity and understanding.

      Having open and honest conversations about end-of-life wishes with loved ones can be a blessing and provide a sense of purpose. The speaker shared a personal story about his experience with his father's illness and how they had deep conversations about life and the importance of continuing to help others, even when retired. The speaker's father, a doctor himself, expressed that the sense of purpose he gained from practicing medicine was what motivated him every day. The speaker realized that he too found this sense of purpose in his work, and they both understood each other's perspectives. The speaker emphasized that having these conversations can be difficult, but they are essential and can bring clarity and understanding to both parties.

    • Clear communication between medical professionals and family membersEffective communication between medical professionals and loved ones during critical health situations is essential for understanding the condition and respecting wishes.

      Effective communication and respecting a loved one's wishes are crucial during critical health situations. In this story, a son's experience with his father's deteriorating health highlights the importance of clear communication between medical professionals and family members. The son was able to understand his father's condition through a doctor-to-doctor conversation and ensured his wishes were respected by relaying them to the medical team. Despite the emotional distress, the son found peace in being present with his father during his passing and experiencing a sense of gratitude for the peaceful outcome.

    • Unexpected feelings of relief and gratitude after losing a loved oneLosing a loved one can bring relief and gratitude due to smooth passing and cherished memories, but addressing end-of-life conversations and wishes is crucial.

      The experience of losing a loved one can bring about unexpected feelings of relief and gratitude, rather than immediate sorrow. This relief comes from the realization that the passing went as smoothly as it could have, considering the potential for complications. The speaker's father had prepared for his death and made his wishes known, which alleviated the stress and uncertainty that can often accompany the end of life. Additionally, the speaker found solace in the connections and memories shared with their loved one, which provided a sense of comfort and equanimity during a difficult time. Furthermore, the speaker emphasized the importance of addressing end-of-life conversations and wishes, as well as challenging societal taboos surrounding death. By acknowledging and embracing the complexities of loss, we can find meaning and peace in the face of grief.

    • Embracing the limits of knowledgeContinuously seek to improve understanding, acknowledge limitations, have end-of-life conversations, avoid dwelling on regrets, and learn from experiences.

      Understanding and accepting the limitations of our knowledge is crucial in various aspects of life, particularly in medicine. We should continuously question and seek to improve our understanding, but also acknowledge that there are things beyond our control. The importance of having conversations about end-of-life care and having a trusted advocate is also emphasized, as these discussions can prevent unnecessary suffering and ensure that wishes are respected. Additionally, it's essential to avoid dwelling on regrets and what-ifs, as focusing on the past can cause unnecessary suffering for both the individual and the deceased. Instead, learning from past experiences and applying that knowledge to future situations is a more productive approach.

    • Navigating the complexities of loss with community supportThe collective human experience can provide comfort and guidance during the grieving process, especially when practical logistics and emotional support are needed.

      The process of losing a loved one can be complex and challenging, involving not only emotional grief but also practical logistics. Despite the difficulties, the speaker found comfort in the support of others and the sense that the collective human experience could help navigate the complexities of loss. The speaker's father had expressed a wish to spend his final days at home, and his death unfolded in a way that allowed him to do so. Though the aftermath involved many practical tasks and logistical challenges, the speaker and his mother found solace in the collective support of the community and the knowledge that they were not alone in their grief. The speaker also expressed gratitude for the opportunity to see his father's final wishes fulfilled and for the memories they shared. Ultimately, the speaker recognized the interconnectedness of all people and the importance of leaning on one another in times of need.

    • Processing grief and honoring relationshipsAllowing oneself to fully feel emotions during grief and supporting loved ones can help in the healing process. Questioning the necessity and effectiveness of certain requirements, like maintenance of certification, can lead to more efficient use of resources.

      Dealing with grief is a process that becomes easier with time and self-reflection. The speaker shared how, in the past, he would have gotten stuck in his thoughts during moments of grief, but now he allows himself to feel the emotions fully and then moves on. He also emphasized the importance of honoring the relationship and supporting loved ones during this time. The speaker also touched on the topic of maintenance of certification for physicians, which can be a burdensome and costly requirement. He questioned whether these tests truly make better doctors and suggested that there may be more effective ways to ensure the quality of medical care.

    • The High Cost and Questionable Value of Medical CertificationDoctors face frequent testing and high fees for medical certification, with debated benefits for patient care. Critics argue that these requirements prioritize revenue generation over improving patient care or weeding out incompetent doctors.

      The current medical certification system places undue financial burden on doctors through frequent testing and fees, with questionable benefits for patient care. The system, which includes organizations like the American Board of Internal Medicine (ABIM), has evolved over the years, requiring more frequent testing and payments. Critics argue that these requirements do not significantly improve patient care or weed out incompetent doctors, and instead prioritize revenue generation. Additionally, doctors must also renew their medical licenses and complete continuing medical education for their licenses, in addition to the maintenance of certification (MOC) requirements. Some doctors have responded by founding competing organizations that focus on CME as an alternative to MOC. The complex and costly certification process is a significant challenge for doctors, especially considering that medical school and residency do not effectively weed out incompetent doctors.

    • A more collaborative and educational approach to medical certificationImplementing a system like oral boards for peer-to-peer learning, potential coaching, and reflection on handling cases better, but requires significant investment and time

      The current medical certification process is flawed and could benefit from a more collaborative and educational approach. The speaker suggests implementing a system similar to oral boards, where doctors randomly present their cases to a panel of peers for discussion and improvement, rather than a multiple choice exam. This approach would allow for peer-to-peer learning, potential coaching, and an opportunity to reflect on how to better handle cases in the future. However, this system would require a significant investment in human resources and time, making it a costly proposition for the medical industry. Additionally, the speaker acknowledges that there may not always be a clear right or wrong answer in medical cases, and that different approaches may be valid. The aviation industry's mentorship model could serve as an inspiration for this type of system. Ultimately, the goal should be to create a system that focuses on making doctors better, rather than just passing or failing them.

    • Discussing the challenges of MOC exams in hematology and their impact on patient careMOC exams can require doctors to perform tasks outside their specialty, potentially leading to inefficiency and harmful practices. Experts may not always be the best judges of patient care, and clear communication and collaboration among healthcare teams are crucial.

      Maintenance of certification processes can require doctors to perform tasks outside of their specialty, which can lead to inefficiency and potentially harmful practices. The speakers discussed their experiences with hematology MOC exams and the need for doctors to understand specific mutations and conditions, even if they're not directly related to their practice. They also touched on the idea that experts may not always be the best judges of what's best for patients and that attending physicians can feel compelled to follow outdated or unnecessary orders. The speakers expressed relief at gaining the autonomy to make their own decisions as attending physicians and the importance of questioning the status quo when it doesn't make sense. They also highlighted the importance of clear communication and collaboration among healthcare teams to ensure the best possible patient care.

    • The Importance of Human Judgment in MedicineAI and chatbots may provide factual information, but they lack the intuition, empathy, and ability to prioritize that human doctors bring to patient care. Human doctors must use their judgment and the art of medicine to provide personalized care.

      While AI and chatbots can provide factual information and even pass certain tests, they lack the intuition, empathy, and ability to prioritize that human doctors bring to patient care. The speaker shares an experience of questioning a colleague's decision to perform unnecessary tests and eventually influencing others, which highlights the importance of individual judgment and the art of medicine that isn't tested in MOC. The speaker also acknowledges the advantages of AI in certain aspects, such as providing empathy and handling complex cases, but remains skeptical about its ability to replace human doctors in day-to-day practice. The speaker also reflects on the evolution of medical records from paper charts to electronic records and the challenges that came with it. Overall, the conversation underscores the need for a balanced approach to integrating AI into healthcare while recognizing the unique value of human doctors.

    • Discussing the challenges of epic charts in healthcare and potential solutionsAn AI generating a summarized Wikipedia page for each epic chart in real-time could help users navigate complex healthcare information. The DOJ is investigating potential monopolistic practices in the MOC program, and listeners are encouraged to report the American Board of Internal Medicine.

      The current state of epic charts in healthcare is a complex and time-consuming issue, making it difficult for users to find valuable information. A potential solution to this problem could be an AI, like ChatGPT, that generates a summarized Wikipedia page for each chart in real-time, serving as a helpful blueprint or table of contents. The discussion also touched upon the MOC (Maintenance of Certification) program and its potential monopolistic practices. The Department of Justice is currently taking complaints against such practices, and it was suggested that listeners report the American Board of Internal Medicine (ABIM) for this reason. Additionally, the conversation included a discussion about colon cancer screening and the complexities of fecal immunohistochemical tests. The speaker, Vinay, shared his personal experience with the test and the challenges faced by older adults in completing it. Overall, the conversation highlighted the need for improvements in healthcare documentation and certification processes.

    • Colon Cancer Screening: Choices and RecommendationsColon cancer screenings are crucial, starting at age 45, with options like colonoscopy, Cologuard, and fecal immunohistochemical testing. Informed choices based on benefits and limitations are key.

      Colon cancer screening is an important preventative measure, but the type of test and frequency can vary based on guidelines and individual circumstances. The speaker shared their experience of getting a colonoscopy after their wife encouraged them to do so, despite initial hesitation due to concerns about the procedure and its potential risks. They mentioned that insurance typically covers the cost every 10 years, but there are other options like Cologuard or fecal immunohistochemical testing that may be covered more frequently. The American Cancer Society now recommends starting colon cancer screenings at age 45, but the strongest evidence supports flexible sigmoidoscopy (FLLEX sig) due to its proven reduction in death from colon cancer and fewer risks compared to colonoscopy. The speaker also mentioned the importance of being informed about the different screening options and their benefits and limitations.

    • Balancing Colon Cancer Screening OptionsIndividuals must consider benefits, risks, values, and preferences when choosing between invasive colonoscopies and less invasive, cost-effective non-invasive tests for colon cancer screening. Healthcare policies also impact screening recommendations and utilization.

      The decision to undergo colon cancer screening, whether through a colonoscopy or a non-invasive test like Flexsig or FIT, depends on individual preferences and values. While colonoscopy is considered the gold standard with strong data supporting its effectiveness, it's also more invasive and expensive. Non-invasive tests like Flexsig and FIT have weaker evidence but are less invasive and cost-effective. However, these tests may not catch all colorectal cancers and require follow-up colonoscopies if positive. Moreover, it's important to consider that colorectal cancer is only one cause of death among many. Some argue that focusing on one type of death may overlook other potential health risks and quality of life issues. Ultimately, the choice between screening tests should be based on an individual's risk factors, personal values, and preferences. Additionally, the quality and accessibility of healthcare policies play a significant role in shaping screening recommendations and utilization. The US, for instance, prioritizes colonoscopies due to financial considerations, despite the stronger evidence for Flexsig. In conclusion, the decision to undergo colon cancer screening involves balancing the benefits and risks of various tests, considering individual values and preferences, and recognizing the role of healthcare policies in shaping recommendations.

    • Whole body MRIs: More than meets the eyeWhole body MRIs have potential risks and uncertainties, including false positives, unnecessary procedures, and overdiagnosis of indolent cancers. Rigorous studies are needed to assess their impact on health outcomes.

      While whole body MRIs are marketed as the ultimate preventative measure for early cancer detection, their benefits are not as straightforward as they seem. These scans could lead to false positives, unnecessary procedures, and even overdiagnosis of indolent cancers. The tech community's enthusiasm for this technology overlooks the complexities of the human body and the limitations of our current understanding of cancer. To truly assess the impact of whole body MRIs on health outcomes, rigorous studies need to be conducted, similar to those done for colonoscopies and flexible sigmoidoscopies. Until then, it's crucial to consider the potential risks and uncertainties associated with these scans.

    • The over-reliance on diagnostic tests and procedures can lead to significant costs without improving health outcomesOver-relying on diagnostic tests and procedures can result in increased costs, anxiety, and stress without necessarily improving health outcomes. A more targeted approach based on individual risk factors could lead to better outcomes and cost savings.

      The over-reliance on diagnostic tests and procedures, driven by well-intentioned efforts to detect and treat diseases early, can lead to significant costs, both financial and emotional, without necessarily improving health outcomes. The discussion highlighted examples of cancer screenings, such as mammograms and thyroid ultrasounds, which have resulted in increased diagnoses but no reduction in mortality rates. The anxiety and stress caused by these tests and the subsequent workups can also lead to additional healthcare costs. Personalized medicine, while a promising concept, is not always applied effectively, with many tests and procedures being applied indiscriminately to everyone. The speaker suggested that a more targeted approach, based on individual risk factors, could lead to better outcomes and cost savings. The speaker also questioned whether certain tests, such as routine skin exams for melanoma, benefit everyone or just specific populations. Overall, the conversation emphasized the need for a more thoughtful and evidence-based approach to healthcare, one that balances the benefits and harms of diagnostic tests and procedures.

    • Masking in healthcare: A contentious issueDoctors and interns have differing opinions on masking during rounds, with some preferring to see their doctor's face for better communication and others prioritizing comfort and safety

      The debate around masking in healthcare settings continues to be a contentious issue. During a discussion, an internal medicine doctor expressed her preference for not wearing a mask while on rounds, arguing that it's essential for patients to see their doctor's face and hear their voice. However, some interns continue to wear masks due to their comfort and training during the pandemic. Katherine Sarskin, a professor at UCLA, argued against the use of masks by interns, stating that it's unprofessional and that patients prefer to see their doctor's face for better communication and comfort. Sarskin also pointed out that there's no concrete evidence to prove that universal masking improves patient outcomes. On the other hand, some believe that it should be the physician's choice to wear a mask, especially if they have OCD tendencies. Overall, the conversation sheds light on the ongoing culture war around masking in healthcare settings and the importance of considering both sides of the argument.

    • Individual perspectives and biases impact mask usageAcknowledging emotional aspects and potential stigma is crucial when addressing mask usage during pandemics to maintain therapeutic relationships, effective communication, and consider the placebo effect.

      The perspectives and biases of individuals, including medical professionals, can significantly influence their stance on certain issues, such as the use of masks during a pandemic. This was discussed in relation to the HIV AIDS epidemic and the current COVID-19 situation. While it's important to consider the rational arguments for and against mask-wearing, it's also essential to acknowledge the emotional and human aspects that come into play. For instance, some people might feel stigmatized or have negative reactions due to past experiences or conditioning. It's crucial to approach such issues with an open mind and consider the potential impact on therapeutic relationships, placebo effect, and communication, especially for those with hearing impairments. Ultimately, finding a balance between safety and human connection is key.

    • Healthcare's stricter rules limit doctor's professional expressionHealthcare's focus on strict rules has led to a loss of intentionality and connection in doctor-patient relationships, impacting trust and confidence.

      The current healthcare environment places strict rules and regulations on doctors and their appearance, with consequences for non-compliance. This includes mandatory mask-wearing and expiring certifications, leaving little room for personal expression or communication through attire. The speaker laments the loss of the ability to challenge peers on their professional appearance or punctuality, seeing it as an essential aspect of building trust and confidence with patients. The healthcare system's shift towards rigid rules and silences on correction has led to a loss of connection and intentionality in the doctor-patient relationship.

    • Society's pressure on perfection in orthodonticsEmbrace individuality, prioritize well-being, and make informed decisions in orthodontic treatments.

      Our society places a high value on perfection, leading to various pressures and scams, such as the orthodontic industry. People often miss appointments due to personal reasons, and the optimal age and length of treatment are subjects of debate. A dentist with a clear pricing policy and no pressure tactics can help make the process less stressful. While getting older may help reduce the concern for societal pressures, it's essential to remember that everyone has unique circumstances and experiences. Ultimately, it's crucial to prioritize individual well-being and make informed decisions based on reliable information.

    • The struggle of creating engaging content as an influencerBuilding an engaged audience takes time, effort, and consistency. Keep creating, engaging, and don't get discouraged.

      Creating content as an influencer can be challenging, and engagement can be hard to come by. Vinay, in the given discussion, expresses his frustration with the lack of interest in his content despite his personal struggles and experiences. He feels like he's begging for support, much like Sally Struthers in her charity commercials. However, he emphasizes that they still appreciate their audience and will continue to create content. The key takeaway is that building an engaged audience takes time, effort, and consistency. It's important to keep creating content that resonates with your audience and to find ways to engage with them beyond just creating content. Building a community takes more than just creating great content; it requires active engagement and a genuine connection with your audience. So, keep creating, keep engaging, and don't get discouraged by the lack of immediate feedback or engagement. Keep pushing forward, and eventually, you'll build a loyal following.

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