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    Midwives and Reproductive Justice

    enFebruary 12, 2023
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    About this Episode

    Ashlee Hernanz Alvarez was 18 when she had her first daughter, Mimi. She was on Medicaid, and went to the only public hospital in Southern Nevada. She was not treated well. The labor and delivery nurses were understaffed, her doctor was not around, and when a fill-in doctor walked in, he treated her as if she was disturbing his night. Ashlee describes the birth as "savage." For her second birth four years later, Ashlee turned to a midwife. Her experience was far better. She got to watch comedy when her labor started, so she would be distracted by laughter. She got to use her oils and her birthing ball. And she caught her baby herself, as the midwife was cupping her hands as a back-up. 

    These choices are not ideal for everyone, but birthing at home used to be the norm. Until professional medicine took over. We talk to Ashlee, her midwife, Jollina Simpson, and sociologist Alicia Suarez about the history of home birth, and why and how it's making a comeback.

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    American Dreams: Reproductive Justice is co-executive produced and hosted by Erika Washington, powered by Make It Work Nevada. The podcast is co-executive produced, written, and edited by Carrie Kaufman of Overthinking Media LLC. Music by Wil Black of Black Gypsy Music, with The Flobots. Artwork by Brent Holmes.

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    American Dreams: Reproductive Justice is co-executive produced and hosted by Erika Washington, powered by Make It Work Nevada. The podcast is co-executive produced, written, and edited by Carrie Kaufman of Overthinking Media LLC. Music by Wil Black of Black Gypsy Music, with The Flobots. Artwork by Brent Holmes.

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    Ashlee Hernanz Alvarez was 18 when she had her first daughter, Mimi. She was on Medicaid, and went to the only public hospital in Southern Nevada. She was not treated well. The labor and delivery nurses were understaffed, her doctor was not around, and when a fill-in doctor walked in, he treated her as if she was disturbing his night. Ashlee describes the birth as "savage." For her second birth four years later, Ashlee turned to a midwife. Her experience was far better. She got to watch comedy when her labor started, so she would be distracted by laughter. She got to use her oils and her birthing ball. And she caught her baby herself, as the midwife was cupping her hands as a back-up. 

    These choices are not ideal for everyone, but birthing at home used to be the norm. Until professional medicine took over. We talk to Ashlee, her midwife, Jollina Simpson, and sociologist Alicia Suarez about the history of home birth, and why and how it's making a comeback.

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    American Dreams: Reproductive Justice is co-executive produced and hosted by Erika Washington, powered by Make It Work Nevada. The podcast is co-executive produced, written, and edited by Carrie Kaufman of Overthinking Media LLC. Music by Wil Black of Black Gypsy Music, with The Flobots. Artwork by Brent Holmes.

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    American Dreams: Reproductive Justice is co-executive produced and hosted by Erika Washington, powered by Make It Work Nevada. The podcast is co-executive produced, written, and edited by Carrie Kaufman of Overthinking Media LLC. Music by Wil Black of Black Gypsy Music, with The Flobots. Artwork by Brent Holmes.

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    American Dreams: Reproductive Justice is co-executive produced and hosted by Erika Washington, powered by Make It Work Nevada. The podcast is co-executive produced, written, and edited by Carrie Kaufman of Overthinking Media LLC. Music by Wil Black of Black Gypsy Music, with The Flobots. Artwork by Brent Holmes.

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    American Dreams: Reproductive Justice is co-executive produced and hosted by Erika Washington, powered by Make It Work Nevada. The podcast is co-executive produced, written, and edited by Carrie Kaufman of Overthinking Media LLC. Music by Wil Black of Black Gypsy Music, with The Flobots. Artwork by Brent Holmes.

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    Chi Chi Okwu, who you heard in episode 1, starts us off by pointing out that the likelihood that you will have a healthy pregnancy, which includes the postpartum experience, is embedded in the history of our country. And it can mostly really be described with one word: Racism.

    "Like a lot of things in our country it was founded on racist ideology," said Okwu, executive director of EverThrive Illinois. "A lot of research was done on slaves, and in ways that were really harmful."

    Historian Alicia Suarez of DePaw University in Indiana notes that Black women are - still - seen as being "obstetrically hardy" and that "they don't feel pain."

    Tufts University researcher Ndidiamaka Amutah-Onukagha breaks it down even further, noting that almost every gynecological procedure we used today was "tested" on enslaved Black women, often without anesthesia.

    We also talk to Wanda Irving, whose daughter, Shalon Irving died in January 2017, three weeks after she had given birth. Wanda was featured in an NPR segment by Renee Montagne and a ProPublica story by Nina Martin, and we talked to her for this podcast. Shalon Irving was a CDC researcher in pregnancy mortality. She had two PhDs and two master's degrees. "But yet and still," says her mother, "none of those degrees, experience, awards protected her.

    "I used to think the system failed Shalon," said Wanda. "It didn’t fail her, it operated exactly how it was set up to operate. And she was just one more victim of a system that does not value women, and especially does not value Black women."

    This is echoed by Martin, who found Shalon Irving's story when she was writing about maternal mortality for ProPublica.

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    Martin agrees that it's about race - Okwu and Suarez talk in this episode about the idea of "weathering" in Black women - but she notes "this is about gender."

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    American Dreams: Reproductive Justice is co-executive produced and hosted by Erika Washington, powered by Make It Work Nevada. The podcast is co-executive produced, written, and edited by Carrie Kaufman of Overthinking Media LLC. Music by Wil Black of Black Gypsy Music, with The Flobots. Artwork by Brent Holmes.

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    The voices you heard on today’s program are Chi Chi Okwu from Everthrive Illinois, Las Vegas midwife Jollina Simpson, historian Alicia Suarez, Dr. Toni Bond - who was one of the founders of the Reproductive Justice movement, Tufts researcher Ndidiamaka Amutah-Onukagha journalist Nina Martin, and Wanda Irving, who lost her daughter, Shalon to a postpartum infection that was preventable.

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    In our next episodes, we'll look at how hard it is for women who want children to have them.

    Related Links:
    Our infant mortality rate is a national embarrassment, Washington Post. Sept. 2014
    Maternal Mortality Rates in the U.S. - CDC

    We also want to pay homage to the 12 women who were in the room in 1994: 

    • Dr. Toni M. Bond
    • Rev. Alma Crawford
    • The late Evelyn S. Field
    • Terri James
    • Bisola Marignay
    • Cassandra McConnell 
    • Cynthia Newbille
    • Loretta Ross
    • Elizabeth Terry
    • Rep. ‘Able’ Mable Thomas
    • Winnette P. Willis
    • Kim Youngblood
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    The Birth of a Movement

    The Birth of a Movement

    In 1994, 12 women walked into a hotel room in Chicago. They came out with a blueprint for what would become the Reproductive Justice movement.

    The Mothers of Reproductive Justice - as they are known now - were the only Black women at a conference on universal health care reform held by feminist groups. The meeting took place after a presentation by someone from the Clinton Administration on their universal health care plan. The plan didn't include any coverage of reproductive health.

    As Founder Toni Bond told us, "It was as if women didn't exist."

    We talk to two of those 12 women - Creators & Guests

    • Erika F. Washington - Host
    • Carrie Kaufman - Writer
    • Erika F. Washington - Producer
    • Carrie Kaufman - Editor
    • You're Overthinking It - Producer
    • Make It Work Nevada - Producer
    • Wil Black - Composer
    • Brent Holmes - Designer
    • Loretta J. Ross - Guest
    • Dr. Toni Bond Leonard - Guest
    • Felicia Davis Blakley - Guest
    • Chi Chi (Chinyere) Okwu - Guest
    • Mary Leung, MSM, CNM - Guest
    • Carrie Kaufman - Producer
    Dr. Bond and Creators & Guests
    • Erika F. Washington - Host
    • Carrie Kaufman - Writer
    • Erika F. Washington - Producer
    • Carrie Kaufman - Editor
    • You're Overthinking It - Producer
    • Make It Work Nevada - Producer
    • Wil Black - Composer
    • Brent Holmes - Designer
    • Loretta J. Ross - Guest
    • Dr. Toni Bond Leonard - Guest
    • Felicia Davis Blakley - Guest
    • Chi Chi (Chinyere) Okwu - Guest
    • Mary Leung, MSM, CNM - Guest
    • Carrie Kaufman - Producer
    Loretta Ross. And we talk to women working in the Reproductive Justice space now about what RJ is, what needs to be in place for it to work, and how the concept of Reproductive Justice touches every aspect of our society.

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    American Dreams: Reproductive Justice is co-executive produced and hosted by Erika Washington, powered by Make It Work Nevada. The podcast is co-executive produced, written, and edited by Carrie Kaufman of Overthinking Media LLC. Music by Wil Black of Black Gypsy Music. Artwork by Brent Holmes.

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    In our next episode, we will set our bearings by looking at the history of reproductive INjustice in the U.S.

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    Links: International Declaration of Human Rights - which Loretta Ross talked about basing the framework on


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    As 2023 dawns, women in the U.S. look back on the last year and see one glaring issue: 2022 was the year their right to have an abortion was severely curtailed.

    But many women did not have access to abortions even before the Dobbs decision. Women on Medicaid, in the same states that are outlawing abortion now. Women who live in rural areas. Women who don’t have access to good doctors, and good advice.

    One thing the popular press doesn’t seem to talk about is how many women and trans men (anyone with a uterus) want to have children, but find that the systems as they are set up in this country mitigate against them.

    You read that right: women want to have children, but don’t because it is so hard to do so.

    How?

    Well, first, you have to have a doctor. A doctor who knows you, and who is looking out for your health as well as your fetus’ health. As we will show in episodes 2 and 3 of this podcast, the U.S. medical system is more focused on the fetus than on the mother - leading to rising maternal mortality rates. Most of those occur after birth - when medical systems seem to shut down. 

    “You have a healthy baby. Goodbye.”

    Women in urban areas - whether they are in poverty or not - have to solve the issue of transportation in order to even see a doctor. Some people live in what Chicago Foundation for Women executive director Felicia Davis Blakley calls “medical deserts,” where the closest OB is three busses away; where people have to take off a day of work, and find childcare, in order to get a monthly checkup.

    As Make It Work Nevada executive director Erika Washington points out in episode 1, there is a corner in North Las Vegas that has five fast food restaurants - and a dialysis clinic. She noted they also have a grocery store, but it doesn’t sell healthy food. It sells, as Erika said, “a variety of covered and smothered meats.”

    Sounds yummy.

    Then there’s the challenge of finding a doctor who will listen to you, and not - as Brenda Zamora shares in episode 4 - yell at you. Or as midwife Jollina Simpson talks about in episode 2, talks down to you. Or just gets medical stuff wrong because they didn’t study your body type in med school.

    Here’s a hint: Black skin doesn’t “pink up.” And if you’re a doctor looking for your patient to be “pale,” you’re going to miss “ashy” on your Black patients.

    In 1994, a group of Black women had a sidebar meeting at a conference in Chicago. The conference was sponsored by the Ms. Foundation for Women and the Illinois Pro-Choice Alliance.  A representative from the Clinton Administration came to talk to the 250 or so attendees about their proposed healthcare plan. Remember that? The one Hillary Clinton was putting together, which outraged members of Congress?

    Anyway, there were 12 Black women at this conference, and they were struck by the fact that the Clinton health plan didn’t have anything about reproductive health. So they met, and they created a framework, which they called Reproductive Justice, which not only exists, but is growing as a movement today.

    The four principles of Reproductive Justice are:

    1. The right to have a child
    2. The right to not have a child (which includes sterilization, which many doctors won’t do)
    3. The right to have a child in a healthy environment and then raise them safely
    4. The right to bodily autonomy and sexuality

    These principles are repeated throughout this podcast, as well as homages to the 12 founders who “gave birth” to the Reproductive Justice movement. 

    Let’s look at what these principles mean. The right to have a child encompasses the ability to get pregnant and survive. It also means having a job that pays a living wage so you can take care of the child or children. It means living in a safe space - without mold, without fear of violence - so you can raise your child safely. It means, as many of our interviewees noted, having healthcare professionals examine their internalized biases.

    Loretta Ross is one of the founders of the Reproductive Justice movement. Her body of work was recently recognized by the MacArthur Foundation with a “genius” grant. She noted in episode 1 how abortions could be avoided if we as a society cared more about women as whole people rather than as vessels for giving birth. 

    “If a woman is suffering from economic insecurity or poor housing or lack of health care or violence in her life, that’s going to affect her reproductive decision making. If she has bad answers to those human rights issues when she’s facing an unplanned pregnancy, she’s likely to terminate that pregnancy, if she can. If she has good answers to those issues - like housing, health care, the ability to stay in school - then she might turn an unplanned pregnancy into a wanted child. So isolating abortion from the pre-existing conditions in women’s lives did not make sense to us.”

    So in a post-Dobbs America, we are exploring what Reproductive Justice means. This means looking at the beginnings of the movement (Episode 1), the injustices people need to overcome (Episode 2) the history and current status of pregnancy criminalization and forced sterilization (Episode 3) women’s experiences with giving birth (Episode 4), the role of midwives and doulas (Episode 5) and the state legislation that affects women’s pregnancy decision making int he U.S. (Episode 6). We’ll end the series with a roundtable of some of the participants.

    I would say “enjoy” - and this podcast is definitely enjoyable. But there are some hard things in here, too. People die in childbirth. Hopefully, this series will give people enough knowledge to make that number a rarity.

    Each American Dreams: Reproductive Justice episode will drop every Saturday for six weeks starting January 7.


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