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    Mike Murphy on Plan B for 2024

    enAugust 07, 2023

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    • Discussing potential plan Bs for Democrats and RepublicansNational polls should not be overinterpreted in the context of primaries, focus on general election data for accurate candidate assessments.

      The question of a potential plan B for both the Democratic and Republican parties is a topic of conversation due to the uncertainty surrounding the current front runners, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, respectively. Mike Murphy, a political strategist and analyst, discussed this topic on the Call Me Back podcast. He highlighted the New York Times Sienna poll that showed Biden and Trump tied at 43%, causing anxiety among political observers. However, Murphy emphasized the importance of not overinterpreting national polls, especially in the context of primaries, and focusing on the general election data for a more accurate assessment of the candidates' strengths and weaknesses.

    • Challenges for Biden as an Incumbent and Trump's Base ResilienceDespite low approval ratings, Biden faces challenges as an incumbent due to economic anxiety, perceived inadequacy, and age-related concerns. Trump maintains a strong base with around 43% support due to the GOP's economic advantage.

      The current political landscape shows incumbent President Joe Biden struggling to secure more than 43% of voter support, despite being the known figure in the race. This weakness can be attributed to economic anxiety, perceived inadequacy on handling the economy, and age-related concerns. Meanwhile, Trump, despite having a lower approval rating, maintains a strong base with around 43% of the support due to the Republican Party's brand advantage on economic issues. The election is still over a year away, and both candidates have the opportunity to improve their standing. However, the current situation highlights the challenges Biden faces as an incumbent and the resilience of Trump's base.

    • 2024 Presidential Race: A Close Contest Between Biden and TrumpThe 2024 presidential race is expected to be a close contest between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, with key issues including the economy, Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision, and the Republican primary outcome.

      The 2024 presidential race between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump is expected to be close, with both candidates facing challenges. The economy and the Supreme Court's decision on Roe v. Wade are key issues that could sway voters. Biden has the potential to gain ground if the economy improves and interest rates decrease, while Trump may struggle to grow from his current support. The abortion issue could also be a significant factor, particularly among younger voters. The Republican primary race is also uncertain, with Trump currently leading but vulnerable if he loses in Iowa and New Hampshire. The outcome of these early states could determine the nominee. Additionally, the dynamics of the Republican primary have shifted, with a larger number of voters who have not yet made up their minds. Trump's popularity among Republican voters remains strong, but there is an open market for other candidates to gain support. Overall, the 2024 presidential race is shaping up to be a closely contested battle between two polarizing figures.

    • Iowa caucuses may see larger turnout due to Democratic and anti-Trump sentimentDeSantis leads Republican nomination race but faces criticism and lackluster charisma, while COVID-19 success sets him apart

      The Iowa caucuses could see a larger turnout due to both dedicated supporters of Democrats and those opposed to Trump wanting to participate. The race for the Republican nomination is currently led by DeSantis, but his campaign has faced criticism for lackluster charisma and a perceived inability to out-Trump Trump. DeSantis' rise in the polls can be attributed to media attention and his appointment as the early front runner, but his campaign has faced backlash from the media and a perceived lack of ground game in Iowa. Despite this, DeSantis' performance at recent events has been better than expected, and he still has a chance in the race. However, his downslide in the polls is a significant development, and other Republican contenders may gain momentum as the race heats up. DeSantis' importance in the political landscape stems from his successful handling of COVID-19 in Florida, distinguishing himself from many other leaders during the pandemic.

    • DeSantis' handling of COVID-19 and its impact on his political imageDespite criticism for his handling of COVID-19, DeSantis' decisions have been largely vindicated. He used this perceived victory to take on new challenges, but his unconventional campaign tactics and media focus on Super PAC infighting have damaged his image as a viable alternative to Biden.

      During the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic, politicians like Tony Fauci, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom held significant influence over the public. Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, was criticized for his handling of the virus, particularly for reopening schools. However, in hindsight, his decisions have been largely vindicated. DeSantis used this perceived victory to take on new challenges, including criticizing the Walt Disney Company and engaging in cultural battles. Despite his unconventional campaign structure, where he moved much of the ground game infrastructure to his Super PAC, DeSantis' unconventional tactics have raised questions about his ability to effectively challenge Biden in the Republican primary. The media's focus on the super PACs and their infighting has further damaged DeSantis' image, making it difficult for him to present himself as a viable alternative to Biden.

    • Super PACs overshadow candidate campaignsIn the modern political landscape, Super PACs, led by strategists like Christian Kowski and Jeff Roe, have become a significant force, focusing on expenses other than paid media, while candidates benefit from campaign discounts.

      In the modern political landscape, Super PACs have become a significant force, often overshadowing the candidate campaigns themselves. This was highlighted in the discussion about Ron DeSantis's presidential campaign, where most of the action is happening at the Super PAC level, led by Christian Kowski and Jeff Roe. The logic behind this is that the candidate gets a discount on paid media through their campaign, so they focus on that while the Super PAC handles other expenses. However, the ease of raising Super PAC money, which isn't limited like federal campaign funds, can lead to a surplus, creating the need for effective use. The rules regarding coordination between campaigns and Super PACs are murky, leading to a game of legal gray areas. The ultimate goal is to maintain a public strategy while trying to outmaneuver opponents through aggressive tactics, such as public Twitter announcements and phony press releases. The efficiency of this system is questionable, but it's the current reality of the political fundraising landscape.

    • Tensions between a presidential campaign and its Super PAC can impact campaign successRon DeSantis' campaign and Super PAC face misaligned strategies, ineffective advertising, and a lack of coordination, hindering his national narrative and leaving him struggling against other contenders. Tim Scott also faces challenges as a state office holder running for president.

      The relationship between a presidential campaign and its affiliated Super PAC can significantly impact the campaign's success. In the case of Ron DeSantis, tensions between his campaign and the Super PAC have led to misaligned strategies, ineffective advertising, and a lack of coordination. This infighting has crippled DeSantis' national narrative and left him struggling to gain traction against other Republican contenders. Additionally, the complexities of running for president on a national stage can be challenging for candidates who have only previously held state office, as Tim Scott is currently experiencing. The Iowa caucus remains a crucial battleground for candidates, with the potential to damage or boost their campaigns significantly. However, the unpredictability of the primary process and the evolving political landscape make it difficult for anyone to accurately predict the outcome.

    • Winning Both Iowa and New Hampshire is Key to Defeating TrumpTo defeat Trump, candidates must win both Iowa and New Hampshire, not just one, and demonstrate broader appeal.

      To defeat Donald Trump in the Republican primaries, a candidate needs to win both Iowa and New Hampshire, not just one. The speaker argues that a narrow focus on Iowa, where Scott is hoping to win with Christian voters, could lead to a Pyrrhic victory. Trump has a history of performing poorly in Iowa but then rebounding in later primaries. To truly defeat Trump, a candidate must outperform him in both states and demonstrate broader appeal. The speaker suggests that Scott could learn from George W. Bush's strategy in 2000, which involved being friendly with Christian voters in Iowa but also running a wider campaign. Additionally, the speaker mentions Vivek Ramaswamy as a potential dark horse candidate in the race.

    • Major parties' primaries: A high-stakes money gameCandidates need funds to compete effectively in primaries, while the ability to adapt to media spotlight is crucial. Fluid polls make significant shifts common.

      The Republican primaries are a high-stakes money game, with candidates vying for funds to secure their place in the race. Some candidates, like Doug Burgum, have struggled to adapt to the national media spotlight and have not been able to secure the necessary funds to compete effectively. Others, like Scott Walker, have been able to outspend their competitors and are well-positioned for the upcoming Iowa caucus. Additionally, primary polls are more fluid than general election polls due to the herd instinct of voters, making significant shifts in the polls not uncommon. In the end, the candidate with the most money and the ability to adapt to the media spotlight is likely to emerge as the frontrunner.

    • Joe Biden's Personal Investment in the PresidencyBiden needs honest feedback from a trusted advisor about the risks and challenges of running for re-election, or consider stepping down for a younger candidate to take on Trump.

      Joe Biden, despite being an effective president from a Democratic point of view, may be hesitant to give up the presidency due to the emotional and personal investment that comes with reaching the highest office. The speaker argues that Biden needs a trusted friend or advisor to provide him with honest feedback about the risks and challenges of running for re-election, especially in the face of a formidable opponent like Donald Trump. The speaker also suggests that Biden could consider stepping down and letting one of the younger, more energetic candidates take on Trump in the primary. The historical trend of primaries shows that voters' opinions can shift significantly in the final weeks leading up to an election, and the speaker believes that this could be an opportune moment for a new candidate to emerge and challenge Trump effectively.

    • Democratic Dilemma: Should Biden Run Again?The Democratic Party faces a dilemma over Biden's potential re-election bid, with some advocating for a primary challenger, third-party candidate, or Biden stepping aside for a fresh nominee.

      The Democratic Party is facing a dilemma with President Biden's potential re-election bid against Donald Trump. Some believe that a serious primary challenger could provide a fresh perspective and potentially save the country from another divisive election. However, the incumbent president's control over the party machinery and the loyalty of key voting blocs make it an uphill battle. The idea of a third-party candidate or a no labels movement may seem appealing to some disillusioned voters, but it could ultimately benefit Trump by siphoning off votes from the Democratic nominee. Ultimately, the decision rests with President Biden, who must weigh the potential risks and rewards for himself and the country. Despite the skepticism, some prominent Democrats are urging him to consider stepping aside if he feels he's not the best candidate for the job.

    • Navigating Political Complexities and Technical ChallengesBiden's administration invests in EV infrastructure while young engineers tackle technical challenges, but political complexities and compatibility issues persist

      The political landscape is increasingly focused on self-expression and virtue signaling, with both Democrats and Republicans adopting different strategies. Biden has given up on some dissatisfied voters, particularly college-educated Republicans and independents, allowing them to express their discontent through organizations like No Labels. Meanwhile, the push for electric vehicles (EVs) represents a new technical challenge that young engineers are tackling with enthusiasm, drawing comparisons to the Apollo program. Biden's administration is investing heavily in EV infrastructure, but the charging network still faces significant challenges due to the need for compatibility across different car brands. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of addressing these technical challenges while also navigating the complexities of modern politics.

    • Finding Purpose and Community Leads to Excitement and HappinessDiscovering a sense of purpose and being part of a community can ignite excitement, engagement, and overall happiness. Look for challenging projects and innovative environments to foster a strong sense of mission and competition among teams.

      Having a sense of purpose and being part of a community can lead to excitement, engagement, and overall happiness. The speaker shared his experience of working on challenging projects, from defense to technology, and how the sense of mission and competition among teams brought about a strong sense of community and passion. He contrasted this with his observation of engineers in the auto industry who lacked excitement due to cost cuts and lack of innovation. The speaker also emphasized the importance of community and passion in various aspects of life, including his observation of young people and his appreciation for the spirit of Israel. He encouraged listeners to find their own sense of purpose and community, and to follow Mike Murphy on Twitter or subscribe to his newsletter for more insights.

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