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    NYC HOMELESS BLACK MAN CHOKED BY MARINE! WHAT THE MEDIA ISN'T TELLING YOU! | Louder with Crowder

    enMay 04, 2023

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    • Understanding the Complexity of the NYC Subway IncidentMisinformation can lead to damaging consequences. It's crucial to seek accurate information and avoid spreading falsehoods.

      The New York City subway incident, which has been portrayed as a lynching by some, is a complex issue with misinformation circulating on both sides. The incident highlights the need for accurate information and the potential consequences of spreading falsehoods. The media has attempted to label this incident as a lynching, but it's essential to understand the ins and outs of what happened and how it affects us. The absence of police officers in the face of crime can lead people to take matters into their own hands, but it's crucial not to ruin someone else's life based on a lie. The Bud Light sales are down, and Florida has banned pronouns, which sparks controversy. The question of the day is whether listeners will permanently boycott Bud Light products. The incident also brings up the topic of self-defense and the importance of accurate information in a time where misinformation can be damaging.

    • Recent developments for conservative streaming services and earnings from OnlyFansCheck emails for free streaming service codes and consider potential income from platforms like OnlyFans, while debates continue over business partnerships and societal norms.

      There have been recent developments regarding free subscriptions for those who signed up to certain conservative streaming services prior to May. These individuals should check their emails for a code to receive three months of free service, regardless of their current memberships elsewhere. Additionally, a woman shared her experience of earning significant income through a platform like OnlyFans, sparking conversations about modern relationships and the potential financial implications. The discussion also touched upon the controversy surrounding Bud Light's partnership with Dylan Mulvaney and the significant decline in sales. The former VP of marketing, Alyssa Hinerstein, defended the decision, and the left is arguing that Bud Light should have continued the partnership. Overall, these topics highlight the intersection of business, relationships, and societal issues.

    • Understanding the Complexities of the NYC Subway IncidentAvoid jumping to conclusions based on partial information or sensationalized labels, and understand the nuances of the NYC subway incident to prevent further harm and misunderstanding.

      The ongoing controversy surrounding a recent incident in the New York City subway involves complex issues that go beyond initial perceptions. The incident, which resulted in the death of a man during an attempted subdual, has been labeled as a "lynching" by some, but this characterization oversimplifies the situation. It's essential to understand that the man who died was holding another individual in a choke hold, and it appears he may have applied the hold incorrectly, leading to the tragic outcome. The lack of police presence during the incident also contributed to the situation's escalation. It's crucial to separate fact from fiction and avoid jumping to conclusions based on partial information or sensationalized labels. The truth matters, and understanding the nuances of this incident can help prevent further harm and misunderstanding.

    • Proper police training crucial in handling dangerous situationsProper training can prevent escalating situations and ensure safety, even for individuals with a history of violence.

      The incident on the New York City subway involving Jordan Neely and the unidentified marine highlights the importance of proper police training in handling potentially dangerous situations. Despite the marine's military background, he was not trained in subduing individuals and instead used a choke hold, which can be fatal if held for too long. The discussion also touched upon the complex issues of crime in the city, the challenges of dealing with individuals in distress or behaving erratically, and the potential consequences of inaction. It's crucial to remember that individuals with a history of violence, like Jordan Neely, can pose a threat, but proper training and understanding of the situation can help prevent escalating situations and ensure the safety of all involved.

    • Context of larger societal issues: homelessness, mental health, response time, and media reportingSocietal issues of homelessness, mental health, slow response times, and inaccurate media reporting can lead to unpredictable behaviors and feelings of vulnerability, requiring balance between public safety and compassion

      The incident on the New York City subway involving the death of Jordan Neely and the actions of a Marine veteran should be viewed in the context of larger societal issues. Homelessness and mental health are complex issues that can lead individuals to behave in unpredictable ways, but that does not excuse harming others. The response time of emergency services in the subway system is concerning, leaving people feeling vulnerable and uncertain of how to protect themselves and those around them. The increase in crime and the lack of resources for self-defense in New York City add to the sense of unease. The media's reporting on the incident has been incomplete or inaccurate, potentially fueling misunderstandings and fear. Ultimately, the importance of ensuring public safety and allowing individuals to defend themselves must be balanced with compassion and understanding for those who are struggling.

    • Complexities of the Jordan Neely Case: Race, Homelessness, and the Application of the LawThe Jordan Neely case highlights the importance of objective law, due process, and avoiding hasty judgments based on incomplete information. It also underscores the need for nuanced discussions on issues related to homelessness and mental health.

      The recent incident involving the death of Jordan Neely on the subway and the subsequent media coverage highlights the complexities and nuances of various issues, including race, homelessness, and the application of the law. The NYPD's handling of the situation and the initial reaction from some media outlets and individuals on the left raised questions about systemic racism and the treatment of unhoused individuals. However, the situation may have extenuating circumstances, and it's essential to differentiate between various terms, such as homicide, murder, and manslaughter, to understand the situation accurately. The use of language and semantics can shape perceptions, but it's crucial to base our understanding on facts and evidence. The case serves as a reminder of the importance of objective law, due process, and avoiding hasty judgments based on incomplete information. The incident also underscores the need for a nuanced discussion on issues related to homelessness and mental health, rather than simplistic labeling and stereotyping.

    • Social Media and Hasty Judgments: A Dangerous MixPublic figures should avoid making definitive statements on social media before investigations are complete to prevent misunderstandings, legal issues, and potential danger.

      The use of inflammatory language and hasty judgments on social media can have serious consequences, potentially leading to misunderstandings, legal issues, and even danger for those involved. The discussion revolves around Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's tweet labeling a man as a murderer before the investigation was complete. Eric Adams, the mayor of New York City, criticized her for this, citing the importance of allowing law enforcement to conduct their investigations without interference. The text also touches upon the broader issues of housing, rising rents, and the treatment of the homeless in the city. While there is agreement on the disgusting nature of the situation, the debate centers around the responsibility of public figures to avoid making definitive statements before all the facts are known.

    • Complexities of the Jordan Neely incidentThe Jordan Neely incident highlights the need for nuanced discussions and understanding the full context of incidents, rather than oversimplifying or reducing them to racial or black-and-white narratives.

      The discussion revolves around the death of Jordan Neely on a subway and the subsequent reactions from various perspectives. Some individuals criticized the actions of those who attempted to subdue Neely, who was experiencing a mental health crisis and was homeless, labeling it as an unwarranted act of violence against a black man. Others argued that Neely's criminal history and mental health issues should be taken into account, and that the incident should not be simplified into a racial issue. Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley shared her thoughts on the matter, expressing concern for the safety and well-being of black men in society, but also acknowledging the complexities of the situation and the need for nuanced discussions. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the importance of understanding the full context of incidents and avoiding oversimplification or reductionist narratives.

    • Assessing Threat Levels: Beyond Criminal RecordsCriminal records alone do not determine an individual's threat level or propensity for violence. Consider mental health, homelessness, and nature of crimes committed.

      The number of arrests or criminal history of an individual should not be the sole determinant of their threat level or propensity for violence. The discussion highlights the complexity of assessing a person's behavior and intentions based on their criminal record. While some may argue that a high number of arrests could indicate a pattern of violent behavior, it is essential to consider other contextual factors, such as mental health, homelessness, and the nature of the crimes committed. The conversation also emphasizes the importance of not vilifying individuals for taking actions to ensure their safety and the safety of others, such as subduing a potentially threatening person and waiting for law enforcement to arrive. Ultimately, it is crucial to approach each situation with a nuanced understanding and avoid making assumptions based on limited information.

    • Mental health crisis and crime rates in NYCAddressing root causes of crime like homelessness, mental health, and drug addiction, while ensuring violent offenders are kept away from public, is crucial for public safety.

      The ongoing mental health crisis and rising crime rates in New York City, particularly in the subway system, have led to growing concerns about public safety. These issues are compounded by the high number of repeat offenders, including those with mental health issues, who are released back into society without proper support or housing solutions. The lack of police presence and extended response times have left people feeling vulnerable and anxious, regardless of their race or ethnicity. It's important to address the root causes of these problems, such as homelessness, mental health, and drug addiction, while ensuring that violent offenders are kept away from the general public. The role of government in protecting its citizens, particularly women and other vulnerable populations, should not be overlooked. The ongoing crime wave in New York City is not only affecting the mental wellbeing of its residents but also making nonviolent people capable of violent thoughts and actions.

    • Bernie Goetz case: A symbol of crime and violenceThe Bernie Goetz case showcased the ongoing debate about crime, punishment, and individual rights, with some seeing him as a vigilante and others a law-abiding citizen. The incident highlighted the complexities of the criminal justice system and the potential consequences of tolerating violent criminals.

      The culture of crime and violence, as depicted in the Bernie Goetz case three decades ago, still resonates with many people, especially the younger generation. The case involved Goetz, who was assaulted on the subway and later shot four teenagers who threatened him. While some condemned his actions as vigilantism, others saw him as a law-abiding citizen pushed too far. Al Sharpton, a prominent civil rights activist, criticized the incident and warned against the toleration of vigilantism. However, the public's perception of the case was complex, with many expressing sympathy for Goetz's plight and understanding his actions. The incident highlights the ongoing debate about crime, punishment, and individual rights, and the potential consequences of tolerating violent criminals. The speaker emphasized the importance of keeping violent criminals in prison to prevent further harm to law-abiding citizens.

    • Perceived biases and mishandling of justice fuel mistrust in institutionsThe broad definitions of crimes and selective application of justice, along with perceived biases and mishandling of information, contribute to a lack of trust in institutions like elected representatives and the media.

      The lack of trust in institutions, such as elected representatives and the media, stems from perceived biases, mishandling of information, and selective application of justice. Using the example of the Bernie Getz case, where those involved were only charged with criminal mischief despite injuring him severely, and the ongoing trial of the Proud Boys for seditious conspiracy, the broad definitions of crimes like sedition and illegitimacy can lead to confusion and mistrust. The media's role in shaping public opinion and the entertainment industry's influence on societal norms also contribute to this issue. Trust can only be rebuilt through transparency, fairness, and accountability.

    • People seek attention in crowded areas for personal reasonsIndividuals may engage in unusual behaviors in crowded areas for personal satisfaction, but consequences can be severe

      Some people may seek out crowded areas, such as the subway, to engage in behaviors that give them attention or satisfaction due to the anonymity and large audience present. This behavior, while unusual, is often driven by individual motivations rather than necessity. However, it's important to note that such actions can have serious consequences, including criminal charges and negative public perception. The discussion also touched upon the idea that certain environments, like New York City, can present unique challenges and experiences, both positive and negative. Ultimately, it's essential to respect individual expression while acknowledging the potential impact on others and the broader community.

    • Debates on gender and education policiesThe US passed a bill restricting discussions on gender and sexual orientation in schools, sparking controversy over free speech and child protection. Australia's Premier criticized it as hate speech and advocated for inclusive education.

      There are ongoing debates and controversies regarding gender and education policies in different parts of the world. In the United States, Florida's legislature recently passed a bill restricting discussions on gender and sexual orientation in schools. Critics argue that it infringes on free speech and is hateful, while supporters claim it protects children. Meanwhile, in Australia, Premier Daniel Andrews criticized Florida's bill as hate speech and expressed support for inclusive education. The discussion also touched upon the importance of understanding and respecting different perspectives and the potential consequences of divisive policies. It's essential to remember that these issues are complex and involve various stakeholders with diverse viewpoints.

    • Governments limiting exposure of LGBTQ issuesCountries debate role in shaping societal norms, protecting children vs individual freedoms; Florida's stance against 'woke ideology' in schools and corporations sparks controversy

      Several countries, including South Korea and Hungary, are taking steps to limit the exposure of LGBTQ issues in schools and public spaces, citing the protection of children as a primary concern. These actions have sparked debates about the role of governments in shaping societal norms and the potential impact on individual freedoms. Florida, under Governor Ron DeSantis, is also making headlines for its stance against "woke ideology" in schools and corporations. While opinions on these issues vary widely, it's clear that the conversation around sexuality and education is a complex and contentious one.

    • A lively discussion about literature and banned booksThe group explored various literary works, debated their merits, and discussed the controversy surrounding banned LGBTQ grooming books in Florida, all while keeping the conversation light-hearted and engaging.

      The conversation touched on various topics including ornithology, literature, and banned books. A humorous exchange occurred when the group discussed a misconception about birdwatchers and race. They also debated the merits and accuracy of certain literary works, such as "Of Mice and Men" and "A Farewell to Arms." Additionally, they discussed the controversy surrounding banned LGBTQ grooming books in Florida and the importance of understanding literary context. The conversation was filled with jokes and references, but the underlying theme was a celebration of literature and its ability to provoke thought and discussion. Despite some challenging topics, the group managed to keep the conversation light-hearted and engaging.

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    From undercover cop to acting in Breaking Bad, Lou Pimber has done ALOT!  Really fun interview taking us through his law enforcement career and into the world of acting.  Lou's path to get to where he is was not an easy one but he says he wouldn't change a thing.  Check out his popular book below. #LouPimber #BreakingBadly
     
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    Lou Pimber is a Mexican immigrant, former
    U.S. Soldier, Combat Medic, and retired UC law enforcement
    officer, having served as a member of the Arizona State Gang
    Task force & HIDTA Counter Narcotics Unit, now turned actor
    and entrepreneur. Lou retired medically after having sustained
    career-ending injuries during an Undercover assignment. Lou has
    been featured in films, television shows like Breaking Bad &
    Gang Related, and numerous local and national commercials. He
    has been a nationally sought-out key-note speaker on leadership
    in business, police undercover work, post-traumatic stress, life
    post-retirement for law enforcement officers, and the American
    Dream.
     

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