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    Pigeons: Homing, Passenger, Carrier and Otherwise

    enAugust 18, 2015

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    • Capital One Venture X Card vs Kroger Brand ProductsThe Capital One Venture X Card offers unlimited 2X miles on purchases and premium travel benefits, while Kroger brand products provide high-quality, affordable options for consumers. Carrier pigeons, a type of pigeon, are descended from rock pigeons and have distinctive wattles.

      The Capital One Venture X Card offers unlimited 2X miles on all purchases and comes with premium travel benefits like airport lounge access and a $300 annual travel credit. Meanwhile, Kroger brand products provide proven quality at affordable prices, guaranteed for customer satisfaction. Switching gears, during a recent podcast episode, Chuck, Josh, and their guest discussed the differences between various types of pigeons, specifically focusing on carrier pigeons. Contrary to popular belief, not all pigeons are the same, and carrier pigeons are actually descended from rock pigeons. However, unlike their wild counterparts, carrier pigeons are bred for their ornamental features, most notably their distinctive wattles, which look like a walnut on their beaks. Despite their similarities, thoroughbred horses and pigeons differ significantly in terms of recorded history and lineages. Thoroughbred horses have extensive records, while pigeon lineages are less documented. The discussion also touched on the misconception that all pigeons are carrier pigeons, which is not accurate, as most carrier pigeons are actually descended from rock pigeons. In summary, the Capital One Venture X Card offers impressive travel benefits, while Kroger brand products provide high-quality, affordable options for consumers. The world of pigeons is more complex than one might think, with various types and distinct features, such as the wattle on carrier pigeons.

    • Distinctive waddles on carrier pigeons' billsCarrier pigeons, especially homing pigeons, have distinctive waddles on their bills, a defining feature, and can fly up to 60 mph and navigate long distances.

      Carrier pigeons, particularly those used for racing, have distinctive waddles on their bills which are a source of pride for fanciers. These birds, which can fly at an average speed of 40 miles per hour and reach up to 60 miles per hour, are capable of navigating long distances to return to their nests. Homing pigeons are specifically bred for this ability and are raced by releasing them from a distant location and observing which one returns home first. The waddles are not just found on the top of the bill but can appear all around it as the bird matures. While some may find these waddles unappealing, they are a defining feature of these birds and a point of pride for those who breed and race them. Pigeon racing, which began in the US in the late 1800s, is still a popular hobby and the fastest type of pigeon for this purpose is the Homing pigeon.

    • Homing pigeons use multiple methods for navigationHoming pigeons may use the sun, Earth's magnetic field, established roads or smells to navigate, and recent research suggests they might also use infra sound.

      Homing pigeons have been selectively bred by humans to have exceptional homing abilities, which may involve using a combination of natural cues such as the sun, Earth's magnetic field, and possibly established roads or smells. The magnetic theory, which suggests that pigeons use magnetic lines in the Earth's magnetosphere to navigate, has gained significant support due to research showing that their compass abilities are quite strong. However, it seems that different theories may not be mutually exclusive, and pigeons may use multiple methods depending on the situation. For instance, they might rely on smell when the magnetic field is weak. Recently, the idea that pigeons use infra sound, or low-frequency sounds that humans can't hear, to navigate has also gained attention. Ultimately, the complex nature of homing pigeon navigation may involve a combination of various cues, making it an intriguing example of how animals can adapt and use their environment to find their way.

    • Pigeons use subsonic sounds to navigate homePigeons can hear subsonic sounds, as low as 0.05 hertz, to navigate and find their way home. A scientist created a sound map for pigeons, allowing them to 'hear' their home. Blind people also use sound to navigate.

      Homing pigeons use their ability to hear subsonic sounds, as low as 0.05 hertz, to navigate and find their way home. This theory, known as the subsonic sound theory, is similar to how echolocation works for bats, but pigeons are not creating sounds and listening for echoes. Instead, they are listening for familiar sounds much like they would follow a trail of odorant molecules. This research was pioneered by a scientist who created a sound map for pigeons, allowing them to "hear" their home much like we see our homes when we approach them. Blind people also use sound in similar ways to navigate their environment. The discussion also touched on a Lifetime movie where Will Ferrell and Kristen Wiig played blind characters, raising questions about whether the performance was comedic or serious. In a different context, the speaker shared their initial reluctance to let their kids use social media, but after discovering Zigazoo, a social network for kids with moderated videos and no comments or messaging, they felt comfortable allowing their children to join. Zigazoo is COPPA certified, ensuring data safety for kids, making it a preferred choice for parents looking for a safe social media platform for their children.

    • Homing Pigeons: Nature's MessengersThroughout history, homing pigeons have been used as natural messengers due to their innate ability to find their way home.

      Homing pigeons, also known as messenger pigeons when they carry messages, have a long history of being used for communication due to their natural homing abilities. These birds have been utilized by various civilizations, including the Egyptians, Phoenicians, Romans, and even Genghis Khan, for sending messages over long distances. Homing pigeons are not bred specifically for carrying messages; instead, it's the messenger pigeon that is a homing pigeon with a message attached. The terms "messenger pigeon" and "homing pigeon" are interchangeable. While the concept of homing pigeons might be confusing, especially with terms like "carrier pigeons," it's important to remember that the primary function of homing pigeons is their natural ability to find their way home, making them valuable messengers throughout history.

    • Role of Messenger Pigeons in WarfareMessenger pigeons played a crucial role in warfare, particularly during World War I, by carrying messages for reinforcements and aerial reconnaissance, saving lives and turning the tide of battles.

      Messenger pigeons played a significant role in warfare throughout history, particularly during World War I. Genghis Khan had a relay system across Asia and Europe using pigeons, and their use continued in Europe with the French, Germans, and Americans. During the siege of Paris, pigeons saved the city by carrying messages for reinforcements. By World War I, there were laws protecting homing pigeons, and they were used extensively for communication, even with cameras attached for aerial reconnaissance. One famous example is the New York Company's pigeon, Cher Ami, who flew through German lines to deliver a message, saving hundreds of men by alerting their commanders to their location. Despite being shot, Cher Ami completed her mission and was later awarded a Croix de Guerre for her service.

    • A tale of love and sacrifice through homing pigeonsThe story of Jeremy, a heroic pigeon, and the extinct passenger pigeons, highlights the power of determination, love, and the importance of preserving nature.

      The use of homing pigeons as messengers during wartime resulted in a remarkable story of love and sacrifice, as demonstrated by the legendary figure of Jeremy, a pigeon who delivered crucial coordinates despite losing a leg and ultimately giving his life for the cause. This incident led to the rescue of 194 men and earned Jeremy a posthumous award. However, it's important to note that not all pigeons share this heroic reputation. Passenger pigeons, for instance, were once abundant in North America but are now extinct. They were social birds that made up a significant portion of the North American bird population, with estimates suggesting they comprised up to 40%. Their large flocks were so numerous that they could darken the sky, and their existence was documented by reputable sources such as John James Audubon. Yet, despite their impressive numbers, passenger pigeons are no longer in existence, serving as a reminder of the fragility of nature. Today, we have safer and more efficient means of communication, but the story of Jeremy and the passenger pigeons serves as a testament to the power of determination, love, and the importance of preserving nature.

    • The Passenger Pigeon: A Cautionary Tale of Overhunting and Habitat DestructionThe passenger pigeon's extinction was caused by a combination of habitat destruction and overhunting, highlighting the importance of balancing human needs with conservation efforts.

      The passenger pigeon, once numbering in the billions, was driven to extinction within a few decades due to a combination of deforestation and overhunting. These birds fed on mast, or hardwood forest nuts, and their large roosting and nesting sites were often destroyed by human activities such as road building and the creation of the first subdivisions. The absence of significant predation from Native Americans after European contact may have contributed to a population boom before the birds were hunted to extinction. This story serves as a cautionary tale about the consequences of unchecked hunting and habitat destruction. Martha, the last passenger pigeon, lived out her days in captivity before dying in 1914. Her remains are now on display at the Smithsonian.

    • Should we bring back extinct species?Bringing back extinct species sparks debate over resource allocation and biodiversity preservation. Unintended consequences of human interaction with birds also need consideration.

      The extinction of species like the passenger pigeon raises ethical questions about whether we should attempt to bring them back. Some argue that resources could be better spent on preserving current endangered species. However, others believe that restoring extinct species could help maintain biodiversity and the collective memory of those species. Meanwhile, there are unintended consequences of human interaction with other bird species, such as the misuse of homing pigeons for drug trafficking and the overfeeding of city pigeons, leading to health and environmental issues. Ultimately, the decisions we make regarding these matters impact the natural world and our relationship with it.

    • Understanding Homing Pigeons' Unique NeedsProvide water, food, and a safe environment for stranded homing pigeons. If they decide to stay, they can make great pets or racing companions.

      Pigeons, especially homing pigeons, have unique characteristics and needs. In the discussed case, a French woman was sued over pigeon poop allegedly coming from her apartment, but her lawyer successfully argued that it couldn't be proven the birds she fed were the culprits. Homing pigeons, which are different from common pigeons, are fascinating creatures. If you find a stranded homing pigeon, provide it with water in a shallow dish, offer it food like rice, popcorn, or seeds, and ensure a safe and comfortable environment. After two days, assess its condition and release it to return home. If a homing pigeon decides to stay with you, it can make a great pet or racing companion. Training homing pigeons is primarily food-based, making it an engaging and rewarding experience.

    • Training Homing Pigeons to a New RoostTo train homing pigeons to fly to a new location, create a new roost and remove their food at the old one. Once they get used to the new location, you can move it further away.

      Homing pigeons have a strong connection to their home base or roost. They spend most of their time there, eat there, and consider it their home. To train them to fly to a different location, you can create another roost and remove their food at the original one. This will make them fly to the new location in search of food. The pigeons have a trap door in their roost that they can enter but not exit unless released. Once they get used to flying to a new roost, you can move it further away. Famous people who have raised pigeons include Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Marvin Hagler, Paul Newman, Joanne Woodward, and even Charles Darwin. However, some people might find it surprising that Lee Marvin was also on the list. A key aspect of studying exoplanets using the Kepler Space Telescope is that we can only detect them if their orbital plane is aligned with our view of the star. If a star's planet system is tilted with respect to us, we won't be able to infer the existence of its planets. This means that there are potentially many planets that we cannot detect with our current technology due to the tilt of their orbital planes.

    • Exploring the Universe's Earth-like Planets and Engaging with AudiencesThe universe may hold billions of Earth-like planets, emphasizing the importance of corrections and engagement, and offering services like Discover Card and platforms like Zigazoo that make individuals feel special and valued.

      The universe may hold a vast number of Earth-like planets, potentially even more than 40 billion in the Milky Way alone. This was discussed during the podcast episode. While making a light-hearted mistake about New Jersey, the speakers emphasized the importance of corrections and engagement from their audience. They encouraged listeners to connect with them through various platforms such as Twitter, Facebook, email, and their website. Another topic touched upon was the importance of feeling special and valued, which Discover Card aims to provide through its services. The card offers 24-7 live customer service and $0 fraud liability, ensuring peace of mind for cardholders. Additionally, the podcast briefly mentioned a kid-safe social media platform called Zigazoo, which is designed to provide a positive and engaging experience for children. The platform is unique in that all community members are verified kids, and all content is fully human moderated. In conclusion, the podcast discussed the potential for numerous Earth-like planets in the universe, the importance of engagement and corrections, and the value of feeling special through services like Discover Card and platforms like Zigazoo.

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