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    Police Reform in America | Tim Scott & Gabrielle Union

    enJune 17, 2020

    Podcast Summary

    • Building community connections during uncertain timesStrengthen communities by helping neighbors and volunteering, while addressing social issues like police reform through open dialogue and action.

      Communities can be strengthened through connections with neighbors and volunteering, even in uncertain times. Neighbor to Neighbor, a California volunteer network, encourages people to build social bonds and prepare for emergencies by helping one another. Meanwhile, in the news, discussions around police reform continue, with calls for change following the killing of George Floyd. President Trump signed an executive order on police reform, but some found his remarks confusing and inconsistent. Despite the calls for change, there remains a strong desire for law and order, with many recognizing the importance of supporting law enforcement while addressing issues of misconduct. Overall, the importance of community connections and addressing social issues is a recurring theme in these discussions.

    • A more nuanced approach to addressing complex societal issuesInstead of relying on symbols or armed forces, it's crucial to address the root causes and find peaceful, effective solutions

      There's a growing movement to reduce the role of armed police in certain situations and instead, send in professionals like social workers to handle them. This approach aims to prevent potentially dangerous situations involving guns. Meanwhile, debates over controversial statues continue, highlighting deeper systemic issues in America. The case in New Mexico illustrates this, as a Spanish conquistador statue became the focus of a violent clash between protesters and an armed civilian militia. These incidents underscore the need for a more nuanced approach to addressing complex societal issues. Instead of relying on symbols like statues or armed forces, it's crucial to address the root causes and find peaceful, effective solutions.

    • The evolving nature of cultural symbols and the need for progressCompanies acknowledging past mistakes and promoting equality is a start, but continuing the conversation and pushing for meaningful change is crucial.

      Our cultural institutions and symbols are constantly evolving, and it's important to reevaluate them in the context of current social issues. The debate around statues and historical figures highlights the need for progress and inclusivity. The NFL's decision to support Colin Kaepernick and the NFL's reversal on their stance towards him is a significant step forward in acknowledging past mistakes and promoting equality. Similarly, companies like Band-Aid recognizing the need for diversity in their products is a step towards inclusivity. However, these actions alone do not solve the underlying issues, but they are a start. It's crucial to continue the conversation and push for meaningful change.

    • Walmart Acknowledges and Addresses Racial Profiling of Ethnic Hair Care ProductsWalmart ends unfair practice of locking up ethnic hair care products, improving shopping experiences for all customers and addressing racial profiling concerns.

      Walmart, and possibly other retailers, have been locking up ethnic hair care products in their stores, creating an unfair and time-consuming shopping experience for customers. This practice, which disproportionately affects urban and less affluent communities, has been met with criticism and concern. Walmart has acknowledged the issue and is now implementing changes to end this policy. This news is significant because it not only addresses the issue of racial profiling but also the added inconvenience and time commitment required for individuals with textured hair to purchase their necessary products. This change will make shopping experiences more equitable and efficient for all customers.

    • Supporting racial justice causes requires effective actionEffective action includes protesting, donating, volunteering, and staying informed to make a real difference in supporting racial justice causes.

      Engagement and action are crucial in supporting racial justice causes. The conversation between Jaboukie Young White and Michael Costa emphasized the importance of going beyond symbolic gestures and taking effective action. The avocado industry, like the Black Lives Matter movement, requires dedication and commitment to responsible and sustainable practices. While many newcomers to the movement are eager to help, it's essential to focus on making a real difference rather than just posting on social media. Effective action includes protesting, donating, volunteering, and staying informed. The conversation also touched on the need for genuine commitment to change and the importance of recognizing the systemic issues that need to be addressed.

    • Senator Tim Scott's continued advocacy for police reform and addressing systemic racismSenator Tim Scott emphasizes the need for ongoing efforts to address systemic racism and police reform, highlighting his personal experiences and the importance of recognizing unique community needs.

      Despite recent actions taken by the president, there is still work to be done in addressing systemic racism and police reform in America. Republican Senator Tim Scott, who has been a leading voice on this issue within the GOP, expressed his appreciation for the president's executive order on police reform but emphasized that more needs to be done. Scott, who has personally experienced discrimination at the hands of law enforcement, believes that politicians on both sides of the aisle must recognize the unique experiences and needs of the Black community. He started his advocacy journey five years ago and is glad to see progress, but acknowledges that there is still a long way to go. Additionally, the importance of community connections was highlighted in a discussion about Neighbor to Neighbor, a California volunteers network that encourages people to build stronger relationships with their neighbors to create a more resilient community. Overall, the message is that individual actions, whether it's through activism or community building, can make a difference in creating a more equitable and connected society.

    • Police Brutality Against Black Americans: A Long-Standing IssueThe urgent need for action to address police brutality towards Black Americans, the importance of equal application of law and order, and the role of the young generation in the conversation for reform

      The issue of police brutality against Black Americans is a serious and long-standing problem that requires urgent attention and action from all Americans, regardless of political affiliations. The lack of trust and credibility in institutions of authority towards communities of color, which stems from the repetition of empty promises and lack of change, is dehumanizing and leads to frustration and irritation. The ability to record and share incidents of police brutality through video cameras has brought much-needed attention to these issues, but more needs to be done to ensure equal application of the law and order concept for every American. It's crucial to understand that the African American community values law and order the most and desires laws that apply equally to all. The conversation around police reform should not be a binary choice but a collective effort towards achieving true justice. The young generation should be seen and heard, and this country should stand for them. Despite facing criticism and being labeled as a "token," Tim Scott has been pushing for police reform within the Republican party and aims to bridge the gap between communities of color and law enforcement.

    • Police reforms for transparency and accountabilityRequiring reporting of serious incidents, enhancing penalties for false reports, and eliminating chokeholds can bring transparency and accountability to policing, addressing systemic issues and gaining support from various perspectives.

      Meaningful police reforms, such as requiring all departments to report serious bodily injury and death incidents to the Department of Justice, enhancing penalties for false police reports, and eliminating the use of chokeholds to become eligible for federal grants, are necessary to bring transparency and accountability to policing in America. These reforms, which aim to address systemic issues, can be effective in gaining support from various perspectives by sharing personal stories and acknowledging the importance of addressing racial bias in law enforcement. Despite potential opposition from police unions, it's crucial to prioritize these changes for the betterment of communities and the justice system as a whole.

    • Emphasizing the importance of finding common ground and addressing pressing issuesSenator Tim Scott and Gabrielle Union emphasized the need for empathy, understanding, and action towards creating a more connected and equitable society, focusing on mental health, addiction, homelessness, race, and the urgency of having conversations around these issues.

      Senator Tim Scott, during his conversation with the interviewer, emphasized the importance of finding common ground and working together to address pressing issues such as mental health, addiction, and homelessness. He expressed his desire to make a difference for future generations and acknowledged the historical significance of his position in the United States Senate. Gabrielle Union, on the other hand, shared her experiences of living through the ongoing trauma of racial injustice and the global pandemic. She highlighted the urgency of having conversations around race and the importance of addressing these issues head-on. Overall, both conversations underscored the need for empathy, understanding, and action towards creating a more connected and equitable society.

    • Understanding Systemic Racism: Beyond Individual DiscriminationSystemic racism goes beyond individual incidents of discrimination, impacting people's environments and systems, leading to feelings of terror and despair for marginalized communities. Open and honest conversations are necessary to create meaningful change.

      Systemic racism is a complex issue that affects people in various ways, and it's not just about individual incidents of discrimination, but also the environments and systems that perpetuate it. The conversation around racial injustice, sparked by events like the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, has evolved to include the systemic issues that underlie these incidents. However, it can be challenging for those who don't experience racism directly to understand it fully. In the workplace, for instance, black employees may face discrimination and be misunderstood, leading to feelings of terror and despair. Even in seemingly straightforward situations, such as a boss disregarding rules, it can send a message of disregard for accountability and equality. It's essential to recognize that everyone experiences racism differently, and it's crucial to have open and honest conversations about these issues to create meaningful change.

    • Accountability and representation in media industryGabrielle Union spoke about the importance of fair treatment, holding decision-makers accountable, and increasing representation in media industry to address racism and discrimination.

      Accountability and representation are crucial for addressing racism and discrimination in the media industry. Gabrielle Union spoke about her experiences with NBC and the ongoing investigation into allegations of racism. She emphasized the need for fair treatment of employees and holding those at the top accountable. Union also highlighted the importance of increasing representation across all levels of the industry, from crew members to decision-makers. She encouraged change that may not always benefit us and emphasized the role of HR in holding people accountable. The industry needs to dismantle systemic issues and make room for change. The Daily Show and Comedy Central have been donating to organizations fighting against police brutality and systemic racism, and viewers are encouraged to join in and donate as well.

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    (3:06) …my visible whiteness, giving people permission to unleash their true, true thoughts. I think the thing is this we're tired, right? I'm tired. I'm tired of playing by the rules of a system that actually wasn't written with me in mind.

    (3:25) I'm a light skinned black woman or mixed woman, depending on who is looking at me. And I'm tired of having to justify the color of my skin or what my soul, the depths of my soul knows to be true, because it has nothing to do with the color of my skin. My passing, as some people love to point out to me, does not give me a free pass on racism. If you have trouble with the color of my skin and please take it up with God. And just because you think, I look like you does not mean that. I think like you.

    (4:25) So if you're really angry right now know that your rage is a teacher, your rage is going to help you deal with what comes next. And to the people who've stayed silent to the people who didn't put a blackout on their Instagram feed, who didn't reach out to say, Hey, how are you doing who's politics. They keep in the dark so that the rest of us don't ever know who we're fully dealing with. We know who you are. We know who you are in this moment.

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