Logo

    Resistance, Self-Sabotage, and What It Really Takes to Accomplish Dreams (ft. Steven Pressfield)

    en-usAugust 28, 2024
    What is meant by 'turning pro' according to Pressfield?
    How does Pressfield define resistance in creative pursuits?
    What is the significance of Pressfield's late success in life?
    How can writers benefit from the advertising industry?
    What strategy does Pressfield suggest for tackling large projects?

    Podcast Summary

    • Turning ProEmbrace a genuine calling and continue pursuing it despite challenges, develop necessary skills, and persist through mental and emotional barriers for long-term success.

      Persistence isn't just about grinding it out through tough times. According to Stephen Pressfield, it's about having a genuine calling and continuing to pursue it despite the challenges. Pressfield, whose career took off at the age of 50 after decades of struggle, emphasizes that the skills surrounding the thing we're passionate about are just as important as the thing itself. He calls this concept "turning pro," which is essential for anyone with big goals in life. The resistance, a mental and emotional barrier we all face, can be particularly strong when we're on the cusp of a breakthrough. Pressfield, who has written extensively about the resistance, encourages us to keep going and not give up on our deepest desires. Whether it's writing, painting, singing, or any other creative pursuit, the key is to do it for the love of it and not for fame or fortune. The stories of late-in-life successes, like Pressfield's and Cormac McCarthy's, remind us that perseverance and a true calling can lead to great rewards.

    • Resistance to growthResistance can take many forms, including self-sabotage and avoidance, and can hinder personal growth and creativity. To overcome it, confront it head-on and don't let it prevent progress.

      Resistance, a force that can hinder personal growth and creativity, manifests in various ways throughout one's career and personal life. It can be particularly strong when individuals try to move from a lower level to a higher level, such as finishing a project or having vulnerable conversations in relationships. Resistance can take many forms, including self-sabotage and avoidance. For example, an author may cheat on their spouse to avoid completing a book. The resistance can be subtle and nuanced, changing its tactics over time. The only way to overcome resistance is to face it head-on and not let it prevent progress. Even if the outcome is terrifying, like having a difficult conversation, it's important to confront it and move forward. Resistance is an ever-present force, but with determination and awareness, it can be overcome.

    • Breaking down large projectsApproach large projects with patience, persistence, and a willingness to recognize and learn from personal patterns, breaking them down into smaller, manageable parts.

      Tackling large projects or challenges can be overwhelming, and it's essential to break them down into smaller, manageable parts. The speaker uses the example of writing a book, where focusing on writing one good page at a time can lead to greater success than trying to complete the entire project in a short amount of time. This approach also applies to other areas of life, such as physical training or relationships. Additionally, recognizing and understanding personal patterns or mental blocks can help overcome challenges and prevent unnecessary frustration. For instance, the speaker shares how they often struggle with chapter three in their writing projects, but have learned to anticipate and prepare for this challenge instead of getting emotionally invested and potentially derailing the project. Overall, the key takeaway is to approach long-term projects with patience, persistence, and a willingness to recognize and learn from personal patterns.

    • Resistance in Creative Process and Personal GrowthResistance is a common experience in both creative process and personal growth, indicating the importance and novelty of a project or experience. Embracing and pushing through the resistance leads to personal growth and the rewarding process of turning pro.

      Both the creative process and personal growth involve facing challenges and resistance. For the speaker, writing a book and struggling with the last chapters is a common experience, as is the fear of exposing one's work to the world. Similarly, in personal life, resistance can indicate the importance and novelty of a project or experience. The speaker also shares their experience with caffeine addiction and introduces Mudwater as a low-caffeine alternative. The idea that resistance follows a dream or important project is emphasized, making it a good sign rather than a source of discouragement. The speaker encourages perseverance and reminds that the process, while challenging, is also rewarding in its own way. The concept of turning pro, as discussed in the speaker's book, is applicable to this idea of embracing the challenges and pushing through the resistance.

    • Mindset shift to professionalAdopting a professional mindset involves persisting through challenges, showing up consistently, pushing through pain, and fully committing to projects, leading to progress and potential opportunities.

      Adopting a professional mindset can significantly improve one's approach to challenges, both in creative work and other areas of life. An amateur may give up when faced with adversity, but a professional persists and works through problems. This mindset also involves showing up consistently, pushing through pain or discomfort, and committing fully to a project or endeavor. By thinking and acting like a professional, one can make progress even when things are difficult, and may even attract opportunities and success as a result. This concept of "turning pro" is not limited to work or financial commitments, but can apply to any area of life where one wants to see growth and improvement. It's a simple yet powerful shift in mindset that can lead to significant progress and fulfillment.

    • Creative Process ChallengesSuccess in creative fields often depends on factors beyond raw talent, including editing, revision, creativity, image, energy, stage presence, handling rejection, managing emotions, and persisting through challenges.

      The skills required to excel in creative fields often go beyond the initial assumptions. For instance, in writing, while the ability to put words on a page is essential, editing and revision are arguably more important. Similarly, in music, pure musicianship may not be the only factor that determines success. Factors like creativity, image, energy, and stage presence can play a significant role. Moreover, the ability to handle rejection, manage emotions, and persist over a long period can make all the difference. The same can be said for athletes, where talent alone may not be enough to reach the top. The emotional process and the ability to focus on one goal are crucial elements of success. In essence, it's not just about having the raw talent but also about how one uses that talent and manages the challenges that come with the creative process.

    • Writer's DevelopmentBoth hardships and experiences, as well as a strong imagination, contribute to a writer's development. It's essential to strike a balance and not let hardships become debilitating, as success in writing requires a combination of self-awareness, effective communication, and creativity.

      Both hardships and experiences, as well as a strong imagination, contribute to the development of a writer. While some writers may have lived through various challenges and struggles, others, like Emily Dickinson, have excelled without extensive worldly experiences. The imagination plays a significant role in creating compelling stories, even if the writer has not directly experienced the events they write about. However, it's essential to strike a balance and not let the hardships become debilitating. The glamorization of suffering in the arts is a common misconception, and not all great artists have had tumultuous lives. Instead, a combination of hardships, self-awareness, and the ability to communicate effectively is necessary for success in writing. Additionally, the metaphors of war and motherhood offer different perspectives on the creative process, with war representing external conflict and motherhood representing the nurturing and protection of new ideas.

    • Creativity and Mental HealthCreativity and mental health are interconnected. Embrace imperfections, trust external sources of inspiration, and consider therapy as a tool to navigate life's chaos and improve creativity and overall well-being.

      Creativity and mental health are interconnected. Just as we cherish our imperfect childhood creations, we should also embrace the imperfections and quirks of our own thoughts and ideas. The ancient Greek concept of a muse, or a divine source of inspiration, can be applied to the creative process. Ideas don't originate from us, but rather from an external source that we must be open to receiving. Therapy, like a personal guide, can help us navigate the chaos of life and provide us with the tools to better cope with the ups and downs of creativity and life in general. So, whether it's through therapy or trusting the mysterious muse, remember to stay open to new ideas and to embrace the imperfect journey of creativity. And if you're considering therapy but don't have easy access, consider trying BetterHelp, an online platform that offers flexibility and convenience.

    • Advertising and WritingSuccessful writers can learn valuable techniques from advertising, such as grabbing attention and engaging audiences, to enhance their craft and effectively communicate with readers.

      Successful writers and creatives often borrow ideas and techniques from various sources, including advertising. This practice, referred to as "stealing," is not about plagiarism but rather about finding inspiration and learning new skills. The advertising industry, in particular, can teach writers valuable lessons about grabbing and holding people's attention. Steven Pressfield, an author, shares his experiences of learning copywriting and the impact it had on his writing career. He emphasizes the importance of hooking the audience and engaging them despite resistance. This concept is applicable to all types of writing, from ads to novels. Pressfield also discusses his latest project, "The Daily Pressfield," a self-published book inspired by Ryan Holiday's "The Daily Stoic." This 365-day format aims to help readers navigate the challenges they face during their creative projects. Overall, the key takeaway is that creatives can learn from various disciplines, such as advertising, to improve their craft and effectively engage their audience.

    Recent Episodes from The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast

    Self-Help Junkies, Stupid Experts, and the Worst Life Advice I've Ever Heard

    Self-Help Junkies, Stupid Experts, and the Worst Life Advice I've Ever Heard

    Are you addicted to self-improvement? Are experts really any better than the rest of us at knowing how to make positive changes in our lives? What are some common pieces of life advice that just don't seem to work?

    Drew and I tackle all of these questions today in our brand new, updated format for the pod. Find out why self-help can turn into pseudo-religion (and why we should bring back exorcisms), whether or not a huge mega-study by a bunch of fancy experts can tell us anything about behavioral change, and some common self-improvement tropes that just don't do it for us.

    Here's the study we discuss: Megastudies improve the impact of applied behavioural science

    Let us know what you think of the new show format in the comments below.

    Use code MARK to get 15% off your order of health tech gear at https://BonCharge.com

    Get one month of Shopify for just $1 at https://shopify.com/idgaf

    Get 10% off health services at https://marekhealth.com/idgaf

    And sign up for Your Next Breakthrough, my weekly newsletter that will help you be a slightly less awful person: https://markmanson.net/breakthrough

    Got a question for us? Leave it in the comments below or send it to podcast@markmanson.net

    Theme song is "Icarus Lives" by Periphery.

    Resistance, Self-Sabotage, and What It Really Takes to Accomplish Dreams (ft. Steven Pressfield)

    Resistance, Self-Sabotage, and What It Really Takes to Accomplish Dreams (ft. Steven Pressfield)

    Steven Pressfield was 52 years old when he published his first hit novel, The Legend of Bagger Vance. Prior to that, he wrote tirelessly for decades in obscurity, supporting himself with odd jobs along the way.


    After writing several more novels and movie scripts, he distilled all of his wisdom into The War of Art, his now-famous treatise on the grinding process of creativity.


    Now in his 80s, Steven looks back on his work and life with a clear-eyed view of what it truly means to make it as a creative professional. In this episode, he explains why he persisted writing for decades with little to show for it, how he compensated for his own lack of talent, why creating great art is actually a grueling war fought within the artist’s own mind, and much, much more.


    Enjoy.


    Steven’s new book, The Daily Pressfield


    All of Steven Pressfield's Books


    Get up to 43% off your order of MUD/WTR at mudwtr.com/idgaf


    Use code IDGAF to get 10% Marek Health services at marekhealth.com/idgaf


    Get 10% off your first month of therapy at betterhelp.com/idgaf


    Sign up for my newsletter, Your Next Breakthrough. It will help make you a less awful person: markmanson.net/breakthrough

    5 Ways to Be Self-Disciplined Without Making Yourself Miserable

    5 Ways to Be Self-Disciplined Without Making Yourself Miserable

    We often think self-discipline requires massive action and a lot of pain and sacrifice—but the reality is a lot more boring. Today, we tackle some common misconceptions about self-discipline, arguing that real change comes from setting up your environment for success, not grinding through endless struggle.


    We explore the hidden dangers of romanticizing pain and why true self-discipline is more about boring consistency than epic feats of endurance. Hopefully, this episode challenges you to rethink how you approach your goals and habits. If you're ready to stop punishing yourself and start seeing real, lasting change, you won’t want to miss this.


    Use code IDGAF to Get 20% off your one-time purchase of supplements at https://livemomentous.com


    Get your first bag of Trade coffee for free when you sign up for a subscription at https://tradecoffee.com/idgaf


    Use code IDGAF to get 15% off your first purchase of skincare products at https://OneSkin.co


    Sign up for my newsletter, Your Next Breakthrough. It will help you be a less awful person: https://markmanson.net/breakthrough

    Bonus Q&A: Facing Regrets, Hustle Culture, Living with ADHD, and More

    Bonus Q&A: Facing Regrets, Hustle Culture, Living with ADHD, and More

    It’s bonus episode time! Today, I’m doing a Q&A with questions you’ve all submitted. We dive into how I’ve changed my mind, bad habits, regrets, dead dreams, advice to young people, meditation, and a whole lot more.

    Submit your questions for future podcasts in the comments or email them to podcast@markmanson.net.

    Sign up for my newsletter, Your Next Breakthrough. It will help you be a less awful person: https://markmanson.net/breakthrough

    How To Be Successful in a World That Wasn’t Built for You (ft. Astronaut Cady Coleman)

    How To Be Successful in a World That Wasn’t Built for You (ft. Astronaut Cady Coleman)

    How do you find your way in a world where even when you do everything right, the odds keep getting stacked against you? My guest today, Cady Coleman, shares how she navigated the male-dominated fields of science, the Air Force, and NASA, breaking down barriers with tenacity and grace.


    From her time on the International Space Station to the release of her first book, Sharing Space, Cady’s story is a powerful reminder of the importance of mission, adaptability, and the unwavering belief in one’s potential, even when the world around you says otherwise.


    Check it out.


    Control body odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get $5 off off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code IDGAF at shopmando.com! #mandopod


    Start selling online and get your first month of Shopify for just $1 at shopify.com/idgaf


    Cady’s Book, Sharing Space: https://www.amazon.com/Sharing-Space-Astronauts-Mission-Wonder/dp/0593494016


    Sign up for my newsletter, Your Next Breakthrough. It will make you a slightly less awful person: https://markmanson.net/breakthrough

    6 Ways to Stop Giving a F*ck

    6 Ways to Stop Giving a F*ck

    We all wish we gave fewer f*cks in our lives, but wanting to and doing it are two different things. If you've read my book, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck, then you know that not giving a f*ck doesn't mean you don't care about anything—it means deliberately choosing what you give a f*ck about and ignore the rest.

    In this episode, we dive into the realities of not giving f*ck, the good and the bad. We talk about why there will never be a time when you're completely free from judgement by others. Why being "normal"—whatever that means—is not something to aspire to, nor is wanting to be liked by everyone. How criticism is a part of life you can't escape—but not all criticism is created equal. And a whole lot more.

    Check it out.

    Get 10% off your first month of therapy at Better Help: https://betterhelp.com/idgaf

    Use the promo code IDGAF to get 20% off your first order of supplements at Momentous: https://www.livemomentous.com/

    Sign up for my newsletter, Your Next Breakthrough, to be a slightly less awful person: https://markmanson.net/breakthrough

    It's Never Too Late to Turn Your Life Around (ft. Brandon Novak)

    It's Never Too Late to Turn Your Life Around (ft. Brandon Novak)

    Brandon Novak showed all the signs of becoming a highly successful, rebellious young man. He was a professional skateboarder in his early teens, rubbing elbows with the likes of Bucky Lasek and Tony Hawk. In his late teens and twenties, he was a regular on world-famous TV shows like Viva La Bam and Jackass.

    But drugs and alcohol were always lurking in the shadows for Novak, and he soon fell head-first into the dark trap of his addictions. He endured bouts of homelessness, committed every petty crime you could imagine, and even resorted to sex work to feed his addictions.

    The stats would suggest Brandon Novak shouldn’t be sober right now. He probably shouldn’t even be alive. But not only is he alive with 9 years of sobriety under his belt, he’s found a deep and meaningful purpose in his life, running his own rehab centers and taking care of his elderly mother.

    This is the hilarious and heartening story of how Brandon Novak turned it all around. And trust me, if he can do it, so can anyone else.

    Use promo code IDGAF to get 20% your Cuts clothing order at https://cutsclothing.com

    Use promo code IDGAF to get 15% off your order at OneSkin at https://oneskin.co

    Get 10% off your supplements order at Market Health at https://marekhealth.com/idgaf

    Sign up for my newsletter, Your Next Breakthrough, to be a slightly less awful person: https://markmanson.net/breakthrough

    The Backwards Law: How to Get More by Doing Less

    The Backwards Law: How to Get More by Doing Less

    There are certain areas in life where trying harder only makes things worse. Trying to prove how likable and confident you are only makes you feel more unlikable and less confident. Trying to make someone love you only makes you feel more unlovable.

    The solution to this conundrum is what’s known as “The Backwards Law”.

    Simply put, The Backwards law states that desiring a positive experience is itself a negative experience, while accepting a negative experience is a positive experience.

    In this episode, Drew and I talk about five areas of life where doing less can actually reap massive benefits.

    Enjoy.

    Get your first month of Shopify for only $1 at https://shopify.com/idgaf

    Use the code IDGAF to get 20% off your one-time purchase of supplements at https://LiveMomentous.com

    Sign up for Your Next Breakthrough, a weekly newsletter that will make you a less awful person: https://markmanson.net/breakthrough

    Are Smartphones Really Ruining Our Lives… Or Is It Something Else? (ft. Jonathan Haidt)

    Are Smartphones Really Ruining Our Lives… Or Is It Something Else? (ft. Jonathan Haidt)

    Is everything going to hell in a handcart because of smartphones and social media? In this episode, I sit down with NYU professor and bestselling author Jonathan Haidt to tackle this burning question.

    Dr. Haidt makes a compelling case that our addiction to these devices is wreaking havoc on society, from mental health crises to political turmoil. But is it really all the smartphone’s fault? I'm not so sure it's quite that simple, so I wanted to dive deeper into the nuances.

    We get into the nitty-gritty and I challenge some of Haidt’s claims, exploring questions like, why do these issues seem to hit the English-speaking world the hardest? Is this another moral panic, or is this time really different? We also discuss the differences in how smartphones affect various demographics and cultures, and why understanding these distinctions is crucial. Plus, we explore Jonathan’s practical and highly sensible recommendations for parents, educators, and policymakers.

    Whether you’re a skeptic or a die-hard believer, this episode will make you rethink your relationship with the technology in our pockets.

    Let's do this.

    Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR by going to ⁠mudwtr.com/IDGAF⁠! #mudwtrpod

    Get 10% off your first month of therapy at BetterHelp.com/IDGAF

    How I Lost 60 Pounds and Started Giving A F*ck About My Health

    How I Lost 60 Pounds and Started Giving A F*ck About My Health

    Over the past 5 years, I’ve completely changed my relationship to my health. Prior to that, I was overweight, pre-diabetic, and having chest pains in my mid-30s. I thought maybe eating a salad once a week and going for a run every now then would take care of it. I was wrong.

    Since then, I’ve lost 60 pounds (~30kg). I now enjoy exercising regularly and I eat healthy and nutritious foods. My daily life is much more physically active and I get way better sleep. I’m happy with my health now—but it took a long time to get here.

    I’m not going to share a bunch of workout routines or complicated diets. What worked for me might not work for you. But I can share what I went through to get here in the hopes that you, too, might change how you think about your health and take it more seriously. Because at the end of the day, your health is definitely something you should give a f*ck about.

    Use the code IDGAF to get 20% off your first one-time purchase of supplements at livemomentous.com