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    S02E02: In Conversation with Jim Gilkey, host of the Account Based Beverages podcast

    enApril 13, 2023
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    About this Episode

    Welcome to another special episode of the ABM Voice podcast. Join your host, Arun Gopalaswami (CEO of Recotap), as he interviews leading B2B sales and marketing experts to bring their ideas, best practices, and the latest trends to help you excel in your role.

    In this episode, Arun speaks with Jim Gilkey, a Senior Account Executive at Terminus and the creator and host of the fantastic podcast ‘Account-Based Beverages’. With his varied experience in sales and marketing, Jim has a unique perspective of ABM and has a wealth of knowledge to share. Sit back and prepare to be inspired by his valuable insights.

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    Credits

    Guest: Jim Gilkey, Host of Account Based Beverages and an experienced ABM practitioner. 

    Host: Arun Gopalaswami, CEO & Co-Founder of Recotap, and an ABM Evangelist.

    Post-Production: Hanfas Backer, Kelkoo Productions. (kelkoo.productions@gmail.com)

    If you have any feedback or comments to share about the show, you can email us at podcast@recotap.com

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    • Learning from Others
    • Global ABM Community
    • Continuous Progress
    • Avoid Overthinking Content for ABM
    • Encourage Cross-Functional Alignment
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    • ABM is a Team Effort
    • Connect on LinkedIn

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    • Learning from Others
    • Global ABM Community
    • Continuous Progress
    • Avoid Overthinking Content for ABM
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    Show Profile

    Welcome to the ABM Voice podcast where we interview leading B2B sales and marketing experts about their ideas, best practices, and the latest trends that can help you in your ABM journey.  


    Guest Profile

    Mark Ogne is a B2B marketing expert and a growth catalyst for emerging and established businesses. He is also the founder of ABM Consortium, an advisory and consulting organization that helps B2B marketers achieve success with account-based marketing (ABM) best practices. He also served as the CMO of MRP, a leading provider of B2B martech and ad tech solutions.  He has also been recognized for his thought leadership as a contributor to the bestselling book "The Social Employee," a winner of the 2015 "Top 50 Twitter EmployeeSEAL" award.  

    Linkedin:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/markogne/ 

    Company Website:  https://www.accountbased.marketing/  


    Host Profile

    Arun Gopalaswami, an ABM Evangelist, is the CEO of Recotap - a personalization-focused ABM product. Recotap, being an AI-powered Account-based Marketing platform, helps marketers to programmatically reach high-value Accounts, at scale, using the power of data and personalization. It has been purpose-built for B2B companies to boost their marketing effectiveness by 2X.  

    Previously, He had co-founded a for-profit social enterprise brand - MarketStreat - to facilitate direct market access to micro & small business owners using technology & digital interventions.  

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    He is very happy to connect with like-minded folks who are interested in ABM and B2B marketing. 

    You can connect or follow his LinkedIn profile or even get in touch with him through Recotap.  

    LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/arung 

    Company Website: https://www.recotap.com


    Key Takeaways:

    1. ABM Strategies and Research

    2. Continuous Improvement and Challenges

    3. Customer Portfolio Analysis and Targeting

    4. Understanding Bad Revenue Deals

    5. Customer Acquisition Process and Targeting

    6. Determining the Right Accounts and ABM Playbook

    7. Challenges and Success in ABM

    8. Advice for Aspiring Marketers

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    Have any feedback? 

    Write to us at podcast@recotap.com   ………………………………………………….……………… 

    Post-Production:  Kelkoo Productions. (kelkoo.productions@gmail.com)    Audio Credits:  Space by Music Unlimited

    The ABM Voice
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    S02E18: Revolutionizing Healthcare Marketing with Adam Turinas of Health Launchpad

    Show Profile 

    Welcome to the ABM Voice podcast where we interview leading B2B sales and marketing experts about their ideas, best practices, and the latest trends that can help you in your ABM journey.  


    Guest Profile: 

    Adam Turinas is the CEO and founder of Health Launchpad, a marketing consulting firm based in Austin, Texas, specializing in helping health tech firms implement Account-Based Marketing (ABM) strategies to improve results. Adam's background is primarily in marketing, particularly in B2B technology and he ventured into healthcare due to the need for better communication between doctors and hospitals.  He and his team developed a healthcare communication application, successfully selling it to numerous hospitals and healthcare systems, eventually leading to the creation of Unify Health. Later, founded Health Launchpad, focusing on ABM for healthcare technology companies targeting hospitals.   He is the author of the book ‘Total Customer Growth’ where he talks about ABM and answers the questions related to it.   

    Linkedin:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamturinas/ 

    Company Website:  https://healthlaunchpad.com/ 

    Email Address: adam@healthlaunchpad.com 

    His book “Total Customer Growth


    Host Profile: 

    Arun Gopalaswami, an ABM Evangelist, is the CEO of Recotap - a personalization-focused ABM product. Recotap, being an AI-powered Account-based Marketing platform, helps marketers to programmatically reach high-value Accounts, at scale, using the power of data and personalization. It has been purpose-built for B2B companies to boost their marketing effectiveness by 2X.  

    Previously, He had co-founded a for-profit social enterprise brand - MarketStreat - to facilitate direct market access to micro & small business owners using technology & digital interventions.  

    In his previous stints at corporate enterprises, he has worked extensively in identifying and delivering business values to his clients, including several Fortune 100 companies, in the Telecom, Banking, and Service industry verticals.  

    He is very happy to connect with like-minded folks who are interested in ABM and B2B marketing. You can connect or follow his LinkedIn profile or even get in touch with him through Recotap.  

    LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/arung 

    Company Website: https://www.recotap.com

    Key Takeaways 

    1. Challenges in Healthcare Marketing

    2. Physician-Hospital Relationship

    3. Implementing ABM in Healthcare

    4. Vertical Focus and Total Customer Growth

    5. Identifying In-Market Accounts

    6. Introduction to FinTech and Target Audience 

    7. Audience Engagement in Healthcare

    8. Client Acquisition Process

    9. Buyer Journey Development

    10. Sales Cycle and Engaging Prospects

     11. ABM Tools and Effectiveness

    12. Incorporating SDRs in ABM

    13. Social Selling and Best Practices

    14. Making the Ask


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    Have any feedback? 

    Write to us at podcast@recotap.com   ………………………………………………….……………… 

    Post-Production:  Kelkoo Productions. (kelkoo.productions@gmail.com)    Audio Credits:  Space by Music Unlimited

    The ABM Voice
    enOctober 12, 2023

    S02E17 : In Conversation with Vladimir Blagojević of Full Funnel.io

    S02E17 : In Conversation with Vladimir Blagojević of Full Funnel.io

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    You can learn more about Vlad by checking out his LinkedIn profile or his company website. You can subscribe to their newsletter here.  

    Tune in and listen to this episode and do give us your feedback at the podcast service of your choice or mail us at podcast@recotap.com.  

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    Credits  

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    Post-Production: Kelkoo Productions. (kelkoo.productions@gmail.com)  

    You can email us at podcast@recotap.com  

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    Intro Music:  Space by Music Unlimited 

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    S02E16: In Conversation with Sanjay Shah of Visionary Digital Studios

    Welcome to another exciting episode of the ABM Voice podcast where we interview the leading B2B sales and marketing experts to bring their ideas, best practices, and the latest trends to help you excel in your role.  

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    You can learn more about Sanjay by checking out his LinkedIn profile or company website.  

    Tune in and listen to this episode and do give us your feedback at the podcast service of your choice or mail us at podcast@recotap.com.  

    You can share the link provided with your peers and share the knowledge of how ABM is one of the most effective B2B marketing strategies.  

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    Credits  

    Host: Abhishek Ekbote, Head of Marketing at Recotap.  

    Post-Production: Kelkoo Productions. (kelkoo.productions@gmail.com)  

    You can email us at podcast@recotap.com  

    Audio Credits: 

    Intro Music:  Space by Music Unlimited 

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    enOctober 02, 2023

    S02E15: In Conversation with Daniel Zsolt Renyi of Klear B2B

    S02E15: In Conversation with Daniel Zsolt Renyi of Klear B2B

    Welcome to another exciting episode of the ABM Voice podcast. Join your host, Arun Gopalaswami (CEO of Recotap), as he interviews leading B2B sales and marketing experts to bring their ideas, best practices, and the latest trends to help you excel in your role.  

    In this episode, Arun speaks with Daniel Zsolt Renyi, Founder of  Klear B2B -  a growth partner who understands your business and market, and performs all three functions: consulting, execution, and training – a.k.a. knowledge transfer, in turn, helping you build a core internal growth team.  

    You can learn more about Ryan by checking out his LinkedIn profile or company website.  

    Tune in and listen to this episode and do give us your feedback at the podcast service of your choice or mail us at podcast@recotap.com.  You can share the link with your peers and share the knowledge of how ABM is one of the most effective B2B marketing strategies. 

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    Credits  

    Host: ⁠Arun Gopalaswami⁠, CEO & Co-Founder of Recotap, and an ABM Evangelist.  

    Post-Production: Kelkoo Productions. (kelkoo.productions@gmail.com)  

    You can email us at podcast@recotap.com  

    Audio Credits: 

    Intro Music:  Space by Music Unlimited 

    The ABM Voice
    enOctober 01, 2023