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    Scott Malpass - Building a Great Endowment - [Invest Like the Best, EP. 241]

    enAugust 31, 2021

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    • Serendipitous encounter with a Holy Cross priest led to managing Notre Dame's endowmentThrough a chance encounter, the speaker began managing Notre Dame's endowment, leading to its diversification, modernization, and widespread adoption by institutions.

      The speaker's career in managing Notre Dame's endowment began serendipitously through a chance encounter with a Holy Cross priest who was also the university's chief investment officer. This encounter led to internships and eventual full-time employment at Irving Trust Company, where the speaker was exposed to investing. With the support of the investment committee chairman and university leadership, the speaker diversified the endowment, hired staff, and implemented a modern compensation system. Over time, they began doing more direct in-house management and took advantage of new opportunities in the evolving investment landscape. The endowment model, which involves managing a perpetual pool of capital, has become widely adopted by universities, foundations, and other large institutions. The speaker, being an early pioneer of this model, emphasizes its continued relevance today.

    • Evolution of Endowment Investing: Increased Equity Exposure, Diversification, and Risk ManagementEndowment investing focuses on higher returns through equity, hedging risks, and appropriate liquidity, but critics argue it leads to high fees, complexity, and underperformance. Success requires a large, talented team, full-fledged operations, and proper governance.

      The evolution of endowment investing began with a focus on increased equity exposure, diversification, and risk management. Institutions like Harvard and Yale popularized this approach, which aims for higher returns through public and private equity, hedging against major risks, and appropriate liquidity. However, critics argue that this model has led to high fees, excessive complexity, and underperformance compared to the S&P for many investors. Successfully implementing this model requires a large, talented and committed investment team, a full-fledged operations group, and proper governance. Notre Dame, for instance, built a differentiated investing team by recruiting and retaining talented alumni and students, taking advantage of the institution's strong sense of mission and purpose.

    • Identifying unique advantages and great managersSuccessful investment teams are built by recognizing organizational strengths, focusing on talent, and assessing managers' core, approach, and long-term orientation through human interactions.

      Building a successful investment team involves identifying and leaning into the unique advantages of your organization while also focusing on talent identification. This process requires pattern recognition, getting to know the human side of potential managers, and assessing their clarity of thought, resilience, and adaptability. The best managers have a solid core, a clear investment approach, and a long-term orientation. The interview process should go beyond numbers and bios to understand the manager's backstory, personality, and why they're likely to be great partners for the long term. By focusing on these human aspects, you're more likely to find enduring partnerships rather than short-term hires. The difference between top investors and those who are less clear on their approach becomes apparent during these interactions.

    • Looking beyond numbers for effective hiring in investment industryUnderstand personality, values, ethics, and essential qualities like curiosity, adaptability, resilience, and deep industry knowledge for effective hiring in investment industry.

      Effective hiring in the investment industry involves looking beyond just numbers and investment processes. It's crucial to understand a potential hire's personality, values, and ethical policies to build a solid and enduring relationship. Curiosity, adaptability, resilience, and a deep understanding of the industry are essential qualities. Confidence and arrogance are distinguishable, with the former being a necessary trait for success and the latter being detrimental. To evaluate domain expertise, pattern recognition, and real investing chops, it can be helpful to have a unique perspective, such as a background in biology or a broad network of industry experts.

    • Partnering with top-tier VC firms like SequoiaBuilding long-term relationships with VC firms requires alignment of incentives, reasonable fees, and a collaborative approach.

      Building strong, long-term partnerships with top-tier venture capital firms, like Sequoia, is crucial for endowments seeking success in the venture capital space. The memorable encounter with Don Valentine and Sequoia was personally significant for the speaker due to their global reach, commitment to excellence, and network within the Silicon Valley ecosystem. Alignment of incentives between the Limited Partner (endowment) and General Partner (venture capital firm) is essential for long-term success, and proper balance between the two parties is crucial. Over the years, the speaker learned that pushing for reasonable management fees and fostering a collaborative relationship is key to maintaining a successful partnership. The speaker's experience with Sequoia serves as a reminder of the importance of identifying and partnering with firms that share the same values and goals.

    • Balancing quantitative and qualitative elements in LP-GP partnershipsSuccessful LP-GP partnerships require a balance of quantitative factors like incentives, liquidity, and capacity, and qualitative elements like collaboration, communication, and valued partnerships to build long-term relationships and identify top performing managers.

      Successful partnerships between Limited Partners (LPs) and General Partners (GPs) in the investment world involve a balance of both quantitative and qualitative elements. On the quantitative side, LPs look for appropriate incentives, liquidity provisions, and capacity constraints. On the qualitative side, GPs should value LPs' advice, communicate openly, and collaborate effectively to build long-term relationships. The best GPs treat LPs as valued partners, seeking their input and fostering a collaborative environment. The number of managers capable of creating alpha is relatively small, and identifying these top performers early on can lead to significant success for both parties. In the context of various investment styles, such as venture capital, private equity, hedge funds, and public equity, the core principles of effective LP-GP partnerships remain consistent, with unique challenges and opportunities present in each domain.

    • Innovation and venture capital: a theme of successSuccess in venture capital requires industry experience and trust from entrepreneurs. Institutions should allocate to it with the right teams. Size is generally a negative in asset classes, and the speaker's success in both venture capital and private equity came from their focus on multiple capital and early history in venture.

      Innovation and venture capital have been a consistent theme of success throughout the speaker's career. Innovation, broadly defined, is accelerating and becoming more global. People who excelled in venture capital were those who had industry experience and were trusted by entrepreneurs. The importance of venture capital has only grown over time, and institutions should have a healthy allocation to it if they have the right teams to access and build relationships. The speaker's experience in private equity also evolved, starting from venture and moving to growth equity, small buyouts, and middle market buyouts. Size in general is a negative in most asset classes, and raising too much money has led to challenges for firms in various industries. The speaker's success in both venture capital and private equity at Notre Dame was a result of their early history in venture and their focus on multiple capital rather than IRRs.

    • Diversify Across Asset Classes for Maximum Returns and Minimal RiskEffectively manage capital by diversifying into private equity, venture capital, bonds, and public equity for potential outsized returns and risk mitigation

      Effectively managing a large pool of capital requires diversification across various asset classes, including private equity, venture capital, bonds, and public equity. While diversification is important, the primary motivation for investing in different types of returns is the potential for outsized returns from top-performing managers in private markets. Private equity, in particular, offers an owner-operator mindset with more alignment between managers and investors. Public equity, on the other hand, offers exposure to world-class companies with strong management teams and moats, even if returns may be less outsized than private markets. Bonds can be an appropriate starting point for new wealth, providing a stable source of income and serving as a counterbalance to the potential volatility of equity investments. Ultimately, a thoughtful and well-diversified portfolio can help maximize returns while minimizing risk.

    • Family offices and institutions shift from bonds to equitiesDespite high equity valuations, the speaker remains constructive due to potential for innovation and new opportunities. Early investment in emerging markets like China can be rewarding but requires significant resources.

      Family offices and institutions, while having different priorities due to tax considerations and size, have seen a shift from bonds to equities in their portfolios over the past decade. The speaker, who has a long history in investing, remains constructive on equities despite their current valuation, citing the potential for innovation and new opportunities in the market. Regarding geographic diversification, the speaker shares his early experiences in investing in China and the rewards of being an early investor in that market. However, he acknowledges that being an early investor in emerging markets requires significant time, effort, and resources, which may not be feasible for all investors.

    • Leadership and Investing: Building Enduring SuccessEffective leadership and teamwork are crucial for long-term investing success. Focus on your team's success, create a positive culture, and educate them to make informed investment decisions.

      Effective leadership, which is a daily choice, is essential for building enduring and long-term investments. By focusing on the team's success and creating a positive culture, leaders can inspire their team to learn from mistakes and grow together. With the increasing accessibility of investing tools, it's more important than ever for individuals to understand the basics of investing, such as saving, watching taxes and costs, and avoiding excessive portfolio churn. However, the financial media and marketing of investment tools can be misleading for those new to investing. As someone who has successfully taught and built teams, the importance of both education and teamwork cannot be overstated. Leadership and investing are interconnected, and a strong foundation in both areas is crucial for long-term success.

    • Learning from teaching and team building experiencesEffective teaching fosters personal and professional growth, off-site retreats inspire team building and leadership, and staying curious about innovation like cryptocurrency can lead to new opportunities.

      The experiences gained from teaching, particularly in a formal classroom setting, can be highly beneficial for personal and professional growth. The teacher-student dynamic fosters a deep appreciation for the role of education and the importance of networking. Effective teachers not only impart knowledge but also inspire and connect students with opportunities. When it comes to team building and leadership development, off-site retreats can be transformative experiences. These events should be strategic, inspirational, and provocative, allowing team members to learn from each other and grow. Regarding the rapidly evolving world of cryptocurrency, it's essential for professional allocators to stay curious and open to innovation. While the space is uncertain and volatile, the potential for cost reduction and efficiency makes it an intriguing investment opportunity. Venture capital and blockchain technologies are promising areas to explore. Ultimately, the enduring combination of education, networking, and innovation will continue to drive success in various industries and endeavors.

    • Investing in digital assets through reputable platforms and with knowledgeable partners can offer potential returns and protection.Consider investing in digital assets through reputable platforms and with knowledgeable partners for potential returns and portfolio protection. Gain experience through internships, reading financial statements, and managing personal portfolios to build a strong foundation.

      Investing in digital assets like Bitcoin through reputable platforms and with the right partners can offer potential returns and protection, making it a worthwhile consideration for a small allocation in one's portfolio. Additionally, the importance of surrounding oneself with knowledgeable and successful individuals in the industry cannot be overstated, especially for those starting out in their careers. Examples of successful individuals mentioned include Chad Cascarilla of Paxos, Dave Thomas from Golden Gate Capital, and Demon Giangiacomo of Nexus. For those looking to enter the investing field, gaining experience through internships, reading financial statements, and managing personal portfolios are recommended steps to build a strong foundation.

    • Focusing on start-ups, family offices, and chairing Catholic Investment ServicesPatrick J. McDonnell plans to continue his career in the investment industry, focusing on supporting entrepreneurs and founders, working with top managers for faith-based organizations, and chairing Catholic Investment Services.

      Vanguard's Executive in Residence, Patrick J. McDonnell, plans to continue his career in the investment industry, focusing on start-up investing, family offices, and his role as the chair of Catholic Investment Services. He expressed his excitement about supporting entrepreneurs and founders, and working with top managers for faith-based organizations. McDonnell also highlighted the importance of relationships and alignment in capitalism and markets, and acknowledged the significant impact Scott Malpass, former President and CIO of TIAA, had on his career. Lastly, he shared three kind acts that left a lasting impression on him: Bob Wilmoth's support and mentorship, Jay Jordan's commitment to his team and Notre Dame, and Rick Berman's request for him to be his son's godfather.

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    My guest today is Dev Ittycheria. Dev is the CEO of MongoDB, the developer data platform with tens of thousands of customers in 100 different countries. He joined the company as CEO in 2014, taking it public in 2017, and is now approaching a decade of leading MongoDB to become a go-to choice for the most sophisticated organizations around the world. We discuss Dev’s philosophy for constructing an exceptional enterprise sales organization, why he feels a leader must be incredibly judgemental to drive excellence, and how he plans to guide MongoDB through another technological transition. Please enjoy this conversation with Dev Ittycheria. Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, the only investment research platform built for the investor. With traditional research vendors, the diligence process is slow, fragmented, and expensive. That leaves investors competing on how well they can aggregate data — not on their unique ability to analyze insights and make great investment decisions. Tegus offers an end-to-end platform with all the data you need to get up to speed on a company or market: up-to-the-minute financials, customizable models, management and culture checks, and, of course, our vast and growing library of expert call transcripts. Tegus is changing the world of expert research. Learn more and get your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:03:39) A CEO's Perspective Of The AI Revolution (00:05:50) The Evolution of Apps From Trivial to Transformative (00:08:12) MongoDB's Journey From Startup to AI Era (00:10:03) Building a Modern Database Company: MongoDB's Story (00:13:19) The Long-Term Vision for MongoDB  (00:15:51) Dev’s Formative Experiences as a Tech CEO (00:19:18) The Art of Enterprise Sales (00:25:28) The Development of Dev as a Leader (00:29:01) Getting the Most Out of Your Talent (00:33:17) Managing a Multi-Product, Multi-Channel Enterprise (00:37:29) Dev’s Recruiting Philosophy (00:43:12) The Role of Leadership and Mentorship in Career Growth (00:46:08) Dev’s Deepest Worry With MongoDB (00:49:35) Personal Investment Philosophy and Identifying Potential (00:53:52) The Art of Leadership: Accountability and Development (00:57:50) Learning from Legends: Andy Grove's Management Insights (01:02:54) The Power in MongoDB’s Business (01:06:13) Up Next for Dev and MongoDB (01:08:34) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For Dev

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    My guest today is Nico Wittenborn. Nico is the founder of Adjacent, a venture firm that looks for what he describes as the “adjacent possible” for their next investment. Nico has zoned in on the consumer subscription market as his ideal candidate, making early investments in Calm App, Photoroom, and Oura Ring. Nico does virtually all steps of the investing process on his own as he believes this allows him to be as close to finding the truth as possible. We discuss sharpening your intuition, evaluating the subscription business model, and exploring the adjacent possible. Please enjoy this conversation with Nico Wittenborn.  Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, the only investment research platform built for the investor. With traditional research vendors, the diligence process is slow, fragmented, and expensive. That leaves investors competing on how well they can aggregate data — not on their unique ability to analyze insights and make great investment decisions. Tegus offers an end-to-end platform with all the data you need to get up to speed on a company or market: up-to-the-minute financials, customizable models, management and culture checks, and, of course, our vast and growing library of expert call transcripts. Tegus is changing the world of expert research. Learn more and get your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:03:30) Intuition in Investment Decisions (00:05:08) The Philosophy of Adjacency in Venture Capital (00:12:51) Exploring Consumer Subscription Models (00:18:16) Common Mistakes In Subscription Pricing (00:22:41) Errors in Product Roll-Out Strategy (00:28:50) The Sucess of BirdBuddy (00:33:45) What It Means To Be a Great Product (00:38:21) Solo Investing vs. Being Part of a Big Firm (00:43:12) Building On Your Own Experience As a Founder (00:44:49) The Rise of Individual Investors and Their Impact (00:50:52) The Strategic Advantage of Staying Small in Venture Capital (00:52:02) Deep Dive into Founder Questions and Consumer Subscription Insights (00:54:09) Leveraging AI and Technological Advances for Growth (00:59:13) Exploring Future Investments and Market Opportunities (01:05:13) Areas to Explore On The Value Curve For Consumer Subscription  (01:12:32) Advice For Those Interest In Nico’s Path  (01:20:10) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done for Nico

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    We are excited to share a great conversation with Mitch Rales, the co-founder of Danaher and one of the living legends in the world of business and investing. Consider that Danaher has annualized at over 21% for four decades, resulting in an 1800-times multiple on invested capital! This is Mitch's first long-form interview of any kind, and he covers his entire history and business philosophy. Interviewing Mitch are Paul Buser and Rick Buhrman, who host the Art of Investing podcast on the Colossus network. Please enjoy this comprehensive discussion with Mitch Rales. Listen to more Art of Investing. For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Passthrough. If you've ever filled out a subscription document to invest in a fund or worked with LPs to fill out their docs to invest in your fund, you know what a nightmare this exercise can be. Passthrough finally solves this problem. They configure custom workflows for your electronic subscription agreements and KYC & AML requirements to shrink the time for your investors to complete their sub docs. It's the best way to manage a critical part of your relationship with your LPs and is simply a drastically better experience for both investing firms and LPs alike. To learn more, go to passthrough.com. This episode is brought to you by Tegus, the only investment research platform built for fundamental investors. Whether you’re trying to get up to speed on a new market or keep tabs on a portfolio company, Tegus is the end-to-end investment research platform you need. With Tegus, you can quickly understand a company's business model, drivers, benchmarks, and management quality. To monitor an entire market, download our pre-built financial models — or update your own with the latest data using Tegus’ new Excel Add-In. Tegus gives you all of this and more, all bundled into a single software license. Find out why 95% of the top 20 global private equity firms are Tegus customers. Learn more and get your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Art of Investing is a property of Pine Grove Studios in collaboration with Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Art of Investing, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes (00:00:00) - Welcome to The Art of Investing (00:05:32) - The Philosophy Behind Glenstone's Creation (00:12:57) - Benchmarking and Continuous Improvement: Lessons from Danaher and Glenstone (00:21:22) - The Influence of Mitch’s Father and Upbringing (00:28:43) - Transforming Danaher During The George Sherman (00:30:39) - Embracing Long-Term Vision and Patience (00:36:47) - The Role of Leadership in Navigating Change (00:42:21) - Danaher's Evolutionary Journey: From 1.0 to 4.0 (00:56:37) - Building a Culture of Internal Growth and External Innovation (00:58:42) - The Art of Successful Acquisitions and Integration Strategies (01:03:03) - Seeking Leadership Qualities and Business Traits for Long-Term Success (01:06:14) - The Journey from Personal Experience to Philanthropy (01:13:10) - Investment Philosophy: Concentration vs. Diversification (01:29:46) - Operational Expertise as a Catalyst for Company Growth (01:34:17) - Identifying and Supporting Talent in Business (01:43:02) - The Impact of Secular Trends on Long-Term Investments (01:49:53) - Revitalizing the Washington Commanders (01:57:36) - Engaging with Fans and Building a Winning Culture (02:05:16) - The Importance of Long-Term Vision

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