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    Starmer, Trump, and the New World Order

    enJuly 18, 2024
    What challenges is Keir Starmer facing in his leadership?
    How does J.D. Vance's past influence his politics?
    Why is strong U.S. allyship significant for Europe?
    What implications does Vance's appointment have for Ukraine?
    How is the crisis in Gaza affecting foreign policy?

    Podcast Summary

    • International Relations ChangesStrong relationships with key global allies, particularly the U.S., are crucial in navigating international changes and tensions. Increased defense spending and cooperation among European countries is necessary due to ongoing tensions with the U.S. and the rise of China.

      The world stage is experiencing significant change with potential new leaders and shifting alliances, as seen with the ongoing U.S. presidential race and European political landscape. Keir Starmer, the UK's Labour Party leader, has had to navigate these changes quickly, with meetings with President Trump and European leaders. The importance of strong relationships with key global allies, particularly the U.S., was highlighted through an anecdote about Gordon Brown's desperation to meet President George W. Bush. The ongoing tensions between Europe and the U.S., as well as the rise of China, require increased defense spending and cooperation among European countries. The unexpected selection of J.D. Vance as Trump's running mate highlights the need for diplomacy and adaptability in international relations.

    • Vance's relationship with TrumpFormer critic J.D. Vance became a Trump supporter after seeing him in action and could shift US policy towards Ukraine with his lack of emotional connection to Zelensky

      J.D. Vance, the new vice presidential pick for Donald Trump, has a complex relationship with the President and his politics. Vance, a former never-Trumper, has a compelling backstory of overcoming poverty and abuse to become a successful businessman. He criticized Trump in the past, calling him a "cultural heroine" and even comparing him to Hitler. However, after seeing Trump in action, Vance changed his mind and learned from him. His appointment as Vice President could have significant implications for foreign policy, particularly regarding the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. Vance, who is more MAGA than Trump, questions the value of investing vast resources in the conflict and suggests that the outcome might be inevitable. His lack of emotional connection to Ukrainian President Zelensky, compared to Boris Johnson, could lead to shifts in US policy towards Ukraine. Overall, Vance's appointment underscores the enduring nature of Trumpism and its impact on the political landscape.

    • European relations, Gaza crisisKeir Starmer aims to improve European relations, but potential allies may not share his views. The ongoing Gaza crisis is a domestic and international issue requiring attention to send signals to party members.

      The global debate revolves around the importance of standing up for countries under threat and the potential consequences of appeasement, as seen in historical examples like Ukraine and Europe. For the younger generation, Europe is defined by the turmoil following Brexit. Keir Starmer aims to improve relations with Europe, but potential allies may not share his pragmatic, center-leftist views. Foreign policy under Keir Starmer and David Lamy is expected to focus on tailored responses to evolving crises, a shift from ethical foreign policy due to its potential limitations and conflicting priorities. The ongoing crisis in Gaza serves as a domestic and international issue, and addressing it is crucial for sending signals back home to party activists and MPs.

    • New world order and global power competitionGreat powers are competing for influence, causing violence where their spheres clash. Diplomatic efforts can be disrupted by political shifts and short-term thinking, as seen in the Iran nuclear negotiations.

      The world is experiencing a new world order that bears resemblance to the old world order, with great powers competing for influence and causing violence where their spheres clash. This was discussed in relation to the ongoing conflict in Syria and the role of various global powers, including the United States, Russia, and China. Another key point was the frustration felt by diplomats and policymakers when their long-term efforts can be trumped by political shifts and short-term thinking. This was illustrated through the example of the Iran nuclear negotiations, which took place over several years but were ultimately dismantled by a political change. The discussion also touched upon the importance of understanding the European Union's role in international diplomacy and the challenges of coordinating a unified European response.

    • Diplomacy and Relationship BuildingEffective diplomacy involves engaging with influencers, understanding different perspectives, navigating complex situations, and finding common ground or middle ground. Diplomats must also manage past statements or actions and prevent conflicts from escalating.

      Effective diplomacy requires building relationships with various influencers and understanding different perspectives, even when there are significant differences in positions. Diplomats need to navigate complex situations and find common ground or a middle ground when possible. For instance, in the context of UK-US relations, it's essential to engage with members of Congress and various lobbies to influence policy. When the UK was a bridge between the EU and Washington, but now that it's no longer a member of the EU, the UK can offer a reliable partnership based on the long-standing relationship between the two countries. Diplomats must also be skilled in managing past statements or actions that could be perceived as problematic, as people in politics often have a history of holding various views. Ultimately, the goal is to prevent conflicts from escalating and create an environment conducive to dialogue and finding solutions to pressing issues.

    • Kissinger and Europe's telephone numberThe quote about Europe's telephone number being attributed to Henry Kissinger is a misconception. Kissinger aimed to deal with individual EU countries rather than a single voice on the telephone to divide and rule.

      The famous quote attributed to Henry Kissinger about Europe's telephone number is apocryphal. Contrary to popular belief, Kissinger did not make the remark about Europe's telephone number. Instead, he was seeking to divide and rule in Europe by dealing with individual EU countries rather than being restricted to a single voice on the telephone. This misconception was clarified in a Gideon Rachman column in the Financial Times by Peter Rodman, who knew Kissinger well. The podcast also touched upon other famous quotes that people didn't actually say, such as "Crisis, what crisis?" by Harold Wilson. The episode featured an interview with James Cracknell, the Radio 1 breakfast show host, and the co-host of the cricket podcast, The Tailenders. The discussion ranged from cricket to career highlights and moments of the week. One of the most notable moments was Jimmy Anderson's retirement from cricket at the age of 41, becoming the fastest bowler to reach 600 test wickets. The podcast also emphasized the importance of not being self-aggrandizing and shared a humorous moment where Greg was interrupted by his dog during the recording.

    • Cricket passionEnglish cricket star Jimmy Anderson's deep-rooted love for cricket was evident in his impressive dive to prevent a boundary during a match, even when England's victory was assured. His passion started with music and a podcast, and his honesty and commitment inspire fans.

      Jimmy Anderson, the renowned English cricket player, is not only known for his exceptional skills on the field but also for his deep-rooted love for the game. His dedication was evident during the last day of a match when, despite England's victory being assured, he made an impressive dive to prevent a boundary, demonstrating his passion for cricket and fielding. Anderson's love for the sport started when he discovered the Maccabees' music and was later introduced to the Test Match Special podcast. His honesty and commitment to the game, even during tough times, have endeared him to fans and fellow cricket enthusiasts. Anderson's story serves as a reminder of the power of passion and dedication in any pursuit.

    • Live radio experienceLive radio offers a unique, unscripted experience unlike podcasts, as demonstrated by the elusive 'bug with hoodie' interview and the nerve-wracking encounter with Hackettie Dog.

      Live radio, with its reactive and unscripted nature, offers a unique experience that cannot be replicated in podcasts. The story of securing the elusive "bug with hoodie" interview on live radio, as shared by the speaker, is a testament to this privilege and the excitement it brings. The interview with Hackettie Dog, a beloved children's character, was a nerve-wracking experience due to the interviewer's fear of the quick-witted puppeteer. The speaker's moment of the week was Rupert Murdoch's acknowledgement of the decline of newspapers and their influence on society. Despite the speaker's love for the idea of having his dog on the show, the reality of the noisy and unstimulating environment may not be ideal for the canine companion.

    • Evan Davis' dog at Today studioEvan Davis occasionally brings his well-behaved Labrador Retriever, Mr. Whippy, to the BBC Radio 4's Today studio, adding a unique dynamic to the program. Listeners can engage with the show by subscribing, leaving positive reviews, and following social media accounts. Newscast podcast is another option for those interested in the hosts' discussions on election campaign stories.

      That Evan Davis, a host on the BBC Radio 4's Today program, occasionally brings his well-behaved dog, named Mr. Whippy, to the studio. The dog, which is a Labrador Retriever, can be a source of distraction but is generally well-behaved. Listeners can engage with the Today podcast by subscribing on BBC Sounds, leaving positive reviews on other platforms, and following the program's social media accounts. For those who enjoy the dynamic between Nick Robinson and Evan Davis, Adam Fleming's podcast, Newscast, might also be of interest as it covers the big stories in the general election campaign daily.

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